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Today in the era of the New Covenant the expression of faith is to rest in Jesus' work on the cross...the literal resting on the seventh day of a week (whenever it starts or ends) is not relevant to expressing faith any longer. A much more difficult standard is set forth. To believe and behave in a fashion that none of our righteous acts can gain us access into heaven or acquire peace between men and God. Only Jesus can do this.
Israel. True believers, however, are "grafted in to the olive tree", which is Israel. What we call "Israel" today,To whom were the ten commandments given?
What are the letters engraved in stones that were called "the ministry of death?"
And which law are you speaking of? Remember that Galations begins and ends with circumsicion. Read this verse:Why did Paul write that the law was added 430 years after Abraham and only until the Seed had come?
If we are to die to the law so that we may be joined with another, are we to commit adultery with the law after we die to it?
Are we saved by grace through faith alone, or will there come a day when we are saved by grace plus sabbath keeping?
Jon DB
Br Kendall
Stop viewing the law as some form of bondage:
1Jn 5:3 "For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous. "
BFA
When Visionary speaks of the end time revelation on this matter I'd personaly elevate this argument in light of the end time the saints will face.
Rev 14:12 "Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus."
Rev 12:17 "And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ."
As the pages of history are closeing those who disobey God's commandments will soon be exposed and fall victims of the Beast, The harlot and share Babylon's plagues.
Israel. True believers, however, are "grafted in to the olive tree", which is Israel.
If the answer is "no", then you speak out of both sides of your mouth on the issue since the Sabbath is written by God's finger on Stone just as the other 9 commandments were.
If you read this carefully you will find that the commandment itself does not bring death, it is *SIN* that brings death through the commandment. The carnal mind cannot submit to God's law.
And which law are you speaking of? Remember that Galations begins and ends with circumsicion.
And what follows, and ask yourself this: If *a law* is added because *of transgressions*, what law might this be?
A *transgression* is in violation of an *already existing law*.
Therefore it is a different law.
It is the law that has to do with divers washings, sacrifice of animals, temple ceramonies, sprinkling of blood - all of which is
done away with in Christ (this is how it is a "tutor"(Galations 3:24)) and further explained in Hebrews chapters 8 and 9.
Keeping the 10 commandments is not "adultery". You might as well argue that Christ encourages you to break the law in His name. What blasphemy.
Romans 3:31 31 Do we then make void the law through faith? Certainly not! On the contrary, we establish the law.
There is no need for grace if you do not recognise sin.
Grace, forgiveness becomes meaningless if there is nothing to forgive.
So, no, you are not saved by this kind of "grace". God does not grant "grace" so that we can use it as an excuse to be lawless.
Because you have interpreted it as such, and have made the tenuous claim that "one day our loyalty will be tested" does not make it true... Your interpretation minimizes the horrific suffering now occurring across the globe via genocide, religious cleansing, and or suffering..... such interpretations I find to be obscene.....BFA
Sorry, I was just saying that scripture shows that the identifying marks of a true remnant (Rev 12:17;14:12). Which acording to my understanding is what Visionary was trying to imply.
That is, one day our loyalty to the la of God will be tested. Will you be ready ? Are you weakening or maintaining the strength of the word ?
Kendall
I am not sure what you are trying to say. I was just telling you that scripture tells us that you should not view God's commandments as you do.
Israel. True believers, however, are "grafted in to the olive tree", which is Israel. What we call "Israel" today,
that is, unbelieving Jews, is not true Israel.
In any case, if you mean to, by implication, say: "the law is for them, not for us", then would you feel free to worship
idols, misuse God's name, worship other gods, murder, covet, dishonour parents and the like? If the answer is "no", then
you speak out of both sides of your mouth on the issue since the Sabbath is written by God's finger on Stone just as the other 9 commandments were.
Romans 7:10-13 And the commandment, which was to bring life, I found to bring death. 11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it killed me. 12 Therefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy and just and good. 13 ¶ Has then what is good become death to me? Certainly not! But sin, that it might appear sin, was producing death in me through what is good, so that sin through the commandment might become exceedingly sinful.
If you read this carefully you will find that the commandment itself does not bring death, it is *SIN* that brings death through the commandment. The carnal mind cannot submit to God's law.
And which law are you speaking of? Remember that Galations begins and ends with circumsicion. Read this verse:
Galatians 3:19 19 ¶ What purpose then does the law serve? It was added because of transgressions, till the Seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was appointed through angels by the hand of a mediator.
And what follows, and ask yourself this: If *a law* is added because *of transgressions*, what law might this be? A *transgression* is in violation of an *already existing law*. Therefore it is a different law. It is the
law that has to do with divers washings, sacrifice of animals, temple ceramonies, sprinkling of blood - all of which is
done away with in Christ (this is how it is a "tutor"(Galations 3:24)) and further explained in Hebrews chapters 8 and 9.
Keeping the 10 commandments is not "adultery". You might as well argue that Christ encourages you to break the law in
His name. What blasphemy. Scripture warns against this:
Romans 3:31 31 Do we then make void the law through faith? Certainly not! On the contrary, we establish the law.
There is no need for grace if you do not recognise sin. Grace, forgiveness becomes meaningless if there is nothing to forgive. So, no, you are not saved by this kind of "grace". God does not grant "grace" so that we can use it as an excuse to be lawless. That is not grace at all - but a total and complete contradiction to what grace is. Forgiveness comes with repentance, and looking with faith to the Redeemer, not rebellion.
Because you have interpreted it as such, and have made the tenuous claim that "one day our loyalty will be tested" does not make it true... Your interpretation minimizes the horrific suffering now occurring across the globe via genocide, religious cleansing, and or suffering..... such interpretations I find to be obscene.....
one day our loyalty to the la of God will be tested.
What part of..........Rom 11:2God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew....dont you understand?Israel. True believers, however, are "grafted in to the olive tree", which is Israel. What we call "Israel" today,
that is, unbelieving Jews, is not true Israel.
In any case, if you mean to, by implication, say: "the law is for them, not for us", then would you feel free to worship
idols, misuse God's name, worship other gods, murder, covet, dishonour parents and the like? If the answer is "no", then
you speak out of both sides of your mouth on the issue since the Sabbath is written by God's finger on Stone just as the other 9 commandments were.
And by reading more carefully, I find those 3 verses are explaining an answer to the question.."Is the law sin?"Rom 7:7Romans 7:10-13 And the commandment, which was to bring life, I found to bring death. 11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it killed me. 12 Therefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy and just and good. 13 ¶ Has then what is good become death to me? Certainly not! But sin, that it might appear sin, was producing death in me through what is good, so that sin through the commandment might become exceedingly sinful.
If you read this carefully you will find that the commandment itself does not bring death, it is *SIN* that brings death through the commandment. The carnal mind cannot submit to God's law.
Dont get it all twisted. Since you're commenting on Gal 3:19,After the COI were freed from Egypt, they fail to obey God, thus they transgressed his commandments. The Law came as a result of their disobedience and complaining. Read Ex 14,-20.And which law are you speaking of? Remember that Galations begins and ends with circumsicion. Read this verse:
Galatians 3:19 19 ¶ What purpose then does the law serve? It was added because of transgressions, till the Seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was appointed through angels by the hand of a mediator.
And what follows, and ask yourself this: If *a law* is added because *of transgressions*, what law might this be? A *transgression* is in violation of an *already existing law*. Therefore it is a different law. It is the
law that has to do with divers washings, sacrifice of animals, temple ceramonies, sprinkling of blood - all of which is
done away with in Christ (this is how it is a "tutor"(Galations 3:24)) and further explained in Hebrews chapters 8 and 9.
Dont let the questions make you forget that the subject is that; "from NOW on, the way to be made right with God is without the law." and the prophet declared it.....(Moses, Jeremiah 31:31-34)Rom 3:21But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;Keeping the 10 commandments is not "adultery". You might as well argue that Christ encourages you to break the law in
His name. What blasphemy. Scripture warns against this:
Romans 3:31 31 Do we then make void the law through faith? Certainly not! On the contrary, we establish the law.
There is no need for grace if you do not recognise sin. Grace, forgiveness becomes meaningless if there is nothing to forgive. So, no, you are not saved by this kind of "grace". God does not grant "grace" so that we can use it as an excuse to be lawless. That is not grace at all - but a total and complete contradiction to what grace is. Forgiveness comes with repentance, and looking with faith to the Redeemer, not rebellion.
one day our loyalty to the la of God will be tested.
IT'S MYSTEFYING TO ME HOW DO WE FULFIL THE LAW THROUGH FAITH WITHOUT (IN PRACTICE), KEEPING THE LAW.
IF YOU LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOUR YOU WON'T IN PRACTICE (KILL, STEAL, ADULTERY, ETC).
HENCE FAITH FULFILLS NOT DESTROY THE LAW.
PERFECT LOGIC.
Speaking of Peter...
You are missing it still.
Elijah was the prophet who "beat death" and won. (according to the talmuds) and Peter would have known this off the top of his head.
Moses was busy talking about Jesus' "Exodus".
And besides...these guys had been dead for hundreds of years...and pictures or portraits weren't allowed...so how did Peter recognize them anyway? (I do know the answer but it is a great question isn't it?)
Getting back to Peter for a minute.
Peter and Paul had a quarrel about what?...and it isn't like there wasn't a reason...and Paul was right...and addmittedly by Peter.
Because of the story of "Peter's Confession of Christ"
"Therefore (Because of everything he has already built a case for) there is now NO Condemnation for those in (the) Christ, Jesus....meaning it really doesn't matter what day of the week you go to church...and claiming that somebody is sinning because of the one day of the week they go is a big big sin.
Luke talks clearly about the four types of sin
Lost sheep (sins of ignorance)
Lost coin (sins of negligence)
Prodigal son (two sins are detailed here)
(planned and thought out sin)
(sin of judging and unforgiveness...which is pride)
All of these sins were listed from least to greatest in character.
Sins defy logic
Who are we puny beings who think we can interpet God's Will any way we want.
Who are we to taken down God's definitions of sin and say they no longer apply?
What law was added...
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