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speculation on end times, hunting for clues and predictions are a huge hobby amongst some christians and an obsession among others. most of us, however, accept the notion that the end is known only to God but that we should live our lives as if it were near.
Not entirely. The two events that are necessary for the end time prophecies to start unfolding are the creation of an independent state of Israel (1948) and enough of Jerusalem being under the control of Israel in order to rebuild the temple.So its all speculation...
So its all speculation, there is no actual proof yet?
Not entirely. The two events that are necessary for the end time prophecies to start unfolding are the creation of an independent state of Israel (1948) and enough of Jerusalem being under the control of Israel in order to rebuild the temple.
The speculation is from trying to fit today's news into the prophecies that haven't happened yet. Situations can change literally overnight these days. I think we Christians are going to be surprised how this plays out in relation to what has been taught for the last 60 years.
Depends what "things" you think it refers to. It's perfectly standard when speaking about escatalogical events to telescope together final end-time stuff, and the corresponding events in the immediate (or some other) future?Hey? Did someone just ignore vs. 34? From the NIV:
Iow, Jesus was wrong.
Depends what "things" you think it refers to. It's perfectly standard when speaking about escatalogical events to telescope together final end-time stuff, and the corresponding events in the immediate (or some other) future?
They didn't go far enough here, needing to look at verse three also.Christ Bound Satan
By His death and resurrection, Jesus has "bound" or "cast out" Satan.
Rev. 20:1-2;
The Differences it makes for You
So long as you live on this earth, the devil will continually strive to deceive and destroy you (1 Pet. 5:8).
cateye said:Hey? Did someone just ignore vs. 34? From the NIV:
34I tell you the truth, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened.Iow, Jesus was wrong.
Either Revelation 20 is correct, and Satan is bound and deceiving no more, or Peter is correct, and the devil is continually deceiving even now as we live on this earth. Both passages cannot be true...unless they have Satan's binding in the wrong place on their timeline. The rest of their timeline is just as skewed. OT prophesy indicates a literal kingdom, fulfilling God's promises to Abraham and David.
Do you mean given a passage like the Olivet discourse how do you separete the immediate from the ultimate? You're not really supposed to - that's not what its trying to do. What it does is connect the immediate to the ultimate future.Really? So what method do you use to distinguish them?
The bit you've quoted looks pretty mainstream. Of course you'll get a diversity of opinion - if there weren't some off-course understandings of Revelations out there there wouldn't be a need for correcting them.Thanks for all the insightful replies. Making me a little curios to say the least. I mean, who wouldn't be?
After searching the web for awhile, I come across a very interesting website concerning the end times. I'll quote a few sentences from it. I would just like to know how accurate these statements are.
Official source The End Times
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The Rapture
Popular Opinion
Rapture (1) means "to raise up." Many U.S. Protestants believe, teach and spread to other countries the heretical idea that God will rapture or raise up Christians and thus remove them from the final tribulation described in Revelation. Some also teach that the Rapture will give people a second chance to repent before Jesus returns a second time.
True Teaching
Revelation does not teach a Rapture of Christians. God will not remove Christians from the earth so that they might avoid suffering. Instead, Revelation teaches that God will preserve His people in the face of persecution and suffering (Rev. 3:10; 14:12). Since Christ will resurrect all believers and unbelievers on Judgment Day, there will be no second chance for repentance (Rev. 11:18; 20:11-15. See pages 24-25).
The Differences it makes for You
God's Word does not teach the Rapture. Nowhere does our heavenly Father say He will remove anyone from the tribulation spoken of in Revelation; however, as the End Times occur, your gracious heavenly Father promises to give you all the strength needed to face even the most difficult suffering. "If God is for us, who is against us? He who did not spare His own Son, but delivered Him up for us all, how will He not also with Him freely give us all things?" (Rom. 8:31-32).
The Seven-Year Tribulation
Popular Opinion
Tribulation means "suffering." Revelation 7:14 warns that God's people will face "great tribulation" before Christ returns. Some interpreters argue that this great tribulation has not yet started. They teach that the tribulation is a future event that will last only seven years.
True Teaching
The book of Revelation teaches the great tribulation neither as a future event nor as a seven-year period. Instead, the great tribulation refers to the persecution and suffering God's people have, and always will, face in this corrupt world (Acts 14:22; Rev. 1:9).
The Differences it makes for You
So long as you live on this earth, the devil will continually strive to deceive and destroy you (1 Pet. 5:8). But Christ has defeated the devil! Though you may face suffering, be fully assured that God will help you through your most difficult times and, when Jesus returns, He will "wipe every tear from [your] eyes," and take you to be with Him in Paradise, forever! (Rev. 7:17).
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