End times Party

[ReformedChapin]

is this serious?
you think we're claiming a date and time (day or hour) by saying the time is NEAR or close?

Now I see the problem
anyhoooo, I agree, feel free to go start a thread on it if you want to continue that

As many of you know here I am a frequent critic of those who consistanly quote scripture stating "the time is near" for Jesus to return. My question is HOW DO YOU KNOW? And WHAT DO YOU MEAN by "it's near?" Secondly are you familiar with other eschatological frameworks. Do any of you realize that dispenstionalism is a new framework of understading the bible? Especially regarding eschatology do any of you know that dispy premill was practically unheard of before the return of the Jews after WWII?


Are you guys familiar with Amillenialism? or Postmillennialism? or even Historic Premillennialism which has no recollection of the Jews or the nation of Isreal which many of the church fathers adhered to?

I wanna make this more than clear, I don't particularly adhere to any of these systems. If I would I think I would probably be Amill but I wont be making threads about it.

Secondly, how are you so sure that connecting world events specifically regard to bible prophecy? Sure there could be some revelance but how do you know it's directly connected? Do you know that many people have made the same deductions and have been wrong?

Example Mr Chuck Smith

Page mentioned in the article from Smith's book Future Survival.

 

[ReformedChapin]

More of chuck smiths end times blunders

Future Survival, ©1978, was published by The Word For Today.

pg 49.

 

[JustAsIam77]

I see too many signs about end times and I'm not going to take the time to list them all. But one in particular is the modern day resurrection of the nation of Israel. That to me started the countdown clock ticking vs end times alarmists before that time.

 

[ReformedChapin]

I see too many signs about end times and I'm not going to take the time to list them all. But one in particular is the modern day resurrection of the nation of Israel. That to me started the countdown clock ticking vs end times alarmists before that time.

As I mentioned about, how do you know that "your view" of the signs is correct? Look at Mr Chuck Smith, you can make all sorts of predictions and be wrong.

 

[pgp_protector]

I see too many signs about end times and I'm not going to take the time to list them all. But one in particular is the modern day resurrection of the nation of Israel. That to me started the countdown clock ticking vs end times alarmists before that time.

And how long is the clock going to tick from your starting date ?

 

[JustAsIam77]

And how long is the clock going to tick from your starting date ?

No way am I predicting a date and time. Only God knows. I'm only giving my opinion that the world as we know it is deteriorating morally at a rapid rate. And escalating all the time. I'm amazed at Gods patience. I'm hoping He will be coming soon. Cause it's becoming a virtual cesspool of sin and abomination of every kind.

 

[pgp_protector]

No way am I predicting a date and time. Only God knows. I'm only giving my opinion that the world as we know it is deteriorating morally at a rapid rate. And escalating all the time. I'm amazed at Gods patience. I'm hoping He will be coming soon. Cause it's becoming a virtual cesspool of sin and abomination of every kind.

Thing is for 2000 years people have been saying I'm hoping he's coming soon.

 

[JustAsIam77]

Thing is for 2000 years people have been saying I'm hoping he's coming soon.

Very true. One can only hope we're the generation that will live to see prophecy fulfilled.

Good thread BTW. Love end times conversations. (maybe just wishfull thinking on my part).

 

[ReformedChapin]

Very true. One can only hope we're the generation that will live to see prophecy fulfilled.

Good thread BTW. Love end times conversations. (maybe just wishfull thinking on my part).

Unfortunately many people are not contributing even the people who suggested I make the thread.

 

[desmalia]

Peanut gallery reporting for duty!

(And actually eating peanuts!)
Thanks for starting this thread, J. Should be very interesting.

As many of you know here I am a frequent critic of those who consistanly quote scripture stating "the time is near" for Jesus to return. My question is HOW DO YOU KNOW? And WHAT DO YOU MEAN by "it's near?" Secondly are you familiar with other eschatological frameworks. Do any of you realize that dispenstionalism is a new framework of understading the bible? Especially regarding eschatology do any of you know that dispy premill was practically unheard of before the return of the Jews after WWII?


Are you guys familiar with Amillenialism? or Postmillennialism? or even Historic Premillennialism which has no recollection of the Jews or the nation of Isreal which many of the church fathers adhered to?

I wanna make this more than clear, I don't particularly adhere to any of these systems. If I would I think I would probably be Amill but I wont be making threads about it.

Secondly, how are you so sure that connecting world events specifically regard to bible prophecy? Sure there could be some revelance but how do you know it's directly connected? Do you know that many people have made the same deductions and have been wrong?

Example Mr Church Smith

Page mentioned in the article from Smith's book Future Survival.

I was raised dispy premil (and undecided what I believe about it right now), so I don't have a very detailed understanding of amil, postmil or historic premil. Would you mind providing some info on those?


I'm just going to throw a comment out there too. I've heard that comment about dispy premil being a new idea, as a primary argument against it. But what if it's just become more prominant because prophesies are coming true and maybe things are starting to come into focus?

 

[desmalia]

Unfortunately many people are not contributing even the people who suggested I make the thread.

Give it time. I think this thread will take off before you know it. We conservatives are a very chatty bunch! But sometimes people just log in and check on their subscribed threads. So it might take a little while before they stumble on to this one.

 

[pgp_protector]

The way I see it (IMHO)
Hope for today, Plan for tomorrow.

 

[JustAsIam77]

Unfortunately many people are not contributing even the people who suggested I make the thread.

Not to worry my friend. This thread will take off and thanks for posting it. I'm in the middle of making homemade chili. I'll try to make more arguments for current end times as time permits.

God bless.

 

[Jim47]

No way am I predicting a date and time. Only God knows. I'm only giving my opinion that the world as we know it is deteriorating morally at a rapid rate. And escalating all the time. I'm amazed at Gods patience. I'm hoping He will be coming soon. Cause it's becoming a virtual cesspool of sin and abomination of every kind.

You're quite right. Only God knows the day and time, and only He will send Jesus when that day has come. The truth is all biblical prophesies have already been fulfilled except for the return of Jesus. We are living in the end times now and will be till He returns.

 

[Jim47]

Peanut gallery reporting for duty!

(And actually eating peanuts!)
Thanks for starting this thread, J. Should be very interesting.



I was raised dispy premil (and undecided what I believe about it right now), so I don't have a very detailed understanding of amil, postmil or historic premil. Would you mind providing some info on those?


I'm just going to throw a comment out there too. I've heard that comment about dispy premil being a new idea, as a primary argument against it. But what if it's just become more prominant because prophesies are coming true and maybe things are starting to come into focus?

Which prophesies have not been fulfilled?

 

[CADude12]

We've been living in the end times since Resurrection Sunday. I read a book when in college about how living in times when being a Christian is comfortable leads to a conformist Christianity. Perhaps those times are over.

 

[JustAsIam77]

OK just off the top again I repeat that Israel as a nation is alive again for the first time in over 2000 years. The bible clearly says Israel will be restored as a nation in the end times.

There is severe falling away from the faith. Jesus said "as the days of Noah were, so also will be the coming of the Son of Man be".

Look at the middle east. It's never been more prominent to what's happening in the world for 2000 years until now. The supply of oil now makes the middle east crucial. That wasn't the case even 50 years ago.
It's incredible that the middle east is now front and center after so many years of being of no importance. Watch that region closely. Russia is aligning with Iran. Iran has sworn to wipe Israel from the face of the earth.

Communist China has increasingly become a huge player via its economic & military power.

Islamic terror is now rampant in many parts of the world. Twenty years ago I didn't ever hear anyting about "kill the infidels" or any such thing on the world scene.

Natural disasters occur frequently. Every time I turn around there's another earthquake or tsunami or devastating flood.

The moral decay of society is worse than it's ever been and I'm sure I'll get no argument on that point. Homosexual lifestyles are out of the closet where I wish they'd stayed and even celebrated. You're not considered PC if you don't think it's wonderful that same sex fornication is acceptable and to be encouraged. The murdering of the innocent unborn is prolific. That has to be one of the greatest tragedies of modern society.

Do any of these signs give you pause as to maybe the end times are a bit closer than say 50 years ago?

 

[Jim47]

I agree, when we are comfortable we seem to neglect being effective witnesses. Its time for us to pray that we can do a better job of doing what The Lord put us here for.

 

[Nadiine]

As many of you know here I am a frequent critic of those who consistanly quote scripture stating "the time is near" for Jesus to return. My question is HOW DO YOU KNOW? And WHAT DO YOU MEAN by "it's near?" Secondly are you familiar with other eschatological frameworks. Do any of you realize that dispenstionalism is a new framework of understading the bible? Especially regarding eschatology do any of you know that dispy premill was practically unheard of before the return of the Jews after WWII?


Are you guys familiar with Amillenialism? or Postmillennialism? or even Historic Premillennialism which has no recollection of the Jews or the nation of Isreal which many of the church fathers adhered to?

I wanna make this more than clear, I don't particularly adhere to any of these systems. If I would I think I would probably be Amill but I wont be making threads about it.

Secondly, how are you so sure that connecting world events specifically regard to bible prophecy? Sure there could be some revelance but how do you know it's directly connected? Do you know that many people have made the same deductions and have been wrong?

Example Mr Church Smith

Page mentioned in the article from Smith's book Future Survival.

Well, other than reading your post in the other thread that led to this one where you call us "you people"... doesn't set a real nice tone :o
Also, just becuz people believe in a rapture doesn't automatically mean they're "dispy".

But that article tells me that someone is watching and waiting like God told us to be but he made the critical error of setting any dates.
We cannot know the dates or times.

And just becuz it hasn't happened that Jesus' returned yet, you act as if He never will according to the signs the bible gives. In other words, one of these days He IS going to return & you/ or whoever's alive to witness it will be using the same skeptic remarks that it's the same now as it was from the beginning- so where are the signs of His coming....

That's my issue with your skepticism. At some point, HE IS going to make His entry and the signs you're given in scripture will fit then as they fit today; probly for decades leading up to the actual moment.
You can attack us all you want, but it's mutual when I see the same skeptical complaints Peter warns people of making. Becuz you're just as much in error in the completely opposite direction imo.

And according to prophecy, it escalates/intensifies and becomes more frequent like a woman in labor until she gives birth. Nothing you see right now will reverse in intensity or frequency - that is a sign of being near Jesus' return.
Israel is a key piece of all this as well.

We don't set any dates or times, we're called to watch for His appearance AT ANY TIME. The only ones that are taken by surprise (ie. the thief in the night) are those not watching & waiting.
The parable of the 10 virgins - some weren't waiting & watching & the groom showed up when they weren't prepared.

 

[MrJim]

OK just off the top again I repeat that Israel as a nation is alive again for the first time in over 2000 years. The bible clearly says Israel will be restored as a nation in the end times.

I remember hearing my preacher (This was 1987 shortly after I was saved) talk about this, that the Lord was returning, cause Israel became a nation, and he used a passage of scripture saying about "This generation shall not pass..." and tied it in with a Israel's rebirth. And since biblically 40 years was viewed as a generation, and Israel became a nation again in 1948 the time was coming...1948 + 40 years = 1988....

He's since retired