End times Now ???

[Douggg]

So you think the Temple Institute's plans to build the Third temple will come to naught?

There will be a third temple built right after the Gog/Magog event. The Antichrist, as the perceived messiah by the Jews for a while, will be part of the building. God's destruction of Gog's army, made up of muslim nations, will make it possible to remove the dome of the rock and the al aqsa mosque - without causing a world war.

 

[Douggg]

Comments very much appreciated.

Carl, which of the two young men is your son?

Invite them to join this forum. I think they have a lot to learn, judging from what they said in the three videos.

 

[Marilyn C]

Dear friends,

I am not an 'end times buff' it is not my calling.

However my son and his Pastor have been studying such matters very deeply and have presented three instalments on Youtube.

If their conclusions are correct the implications are very serious.

Warning - these guys are well read and deeply devoted to Scripture - this is not a light topic.

Here are the three links.



Comments very much appreciated.

Hi Carl,

I appreciated you posting the videos. The young men have been doing a lot of study. Very glad they are realizing that we are in the end times of the Gentiles ruling the world. I agree with much of what they say and did like the casual look and discussion between them.

I would like them to consider that Islam will be the ruling federation once the Russian Federation and Iran etc are dealt with by God very soon. (Ez. 38 & Joel 2) You see there will then be a power vacuum in the Middle East and Islam will arise. There are nearly 2 billion Muslims in the world and they are fast getting into positions of power.

The anti-Christ -

His nationality – Assyrian. (Isa. 31: 8 Micah 5: 5)

The region he comes from – the Ancient Assyrian Empire. (Dan. 11: 35 – 43)

Leader of Ancient Assyrian region - Iraq, Syria & Jordan. (Dan. 7: 8)

Leader of Islamic Federation – 10 kings of Islam. (Dan. 7: 8, Rev. 17: 12)

He rules the world – (Rev. 16: 13 & 14, 19: 19)

As to Trump, I believe when the Peace Negotiator makes peace with Israel after the Russian war on the Golan Heights (Ez. 38) then Trump will want to meet him and present him to the world`s leaders. Over time this Peace Maker deceives the West into thinking that East and West can work together. For that is necessary for a Global Government.

I can give more detail as needed. Marilyn.

 

[Carl Emerson]

Hi Carl,

I appreciated you posting the videos. The young men have been doing a lot of study. Very glad they are realizing that we are in the end times of the Gentiles ruling the world. I agree with much of what they say and did like the casual look and discussion between them.

I would like them to consider that Islam will be the ruling federation once the Russian Federation and Iran etc are dealt with by God very soon. (Ez. 38 & Joel 2) You see there will then be a power vacuum in the Middle East and Islam will arise. There are nearly 2 billion Muslims in the world and they are fast getting into positions of power.

The anti-Christ -

His nationality – Assyrian. (Isa. 31: 8 Micah 5: 5)

The region he comes from – the Ancient Assyrian Empire. (Dan. 11: 35 – 43)

Leader of Ancient Assyrian region - Iraq, Syria & Jordan. (Dan. 7: 8)

Leader of Islamic Federation – 10 kings of Islam. (Dan. 7: 8, Rev. 17: 12)

He rules the world – (Rev. 16: 13 & 14, 19: 19)

As to Trump, I believe when the Peace Negotiator makes peace with Israel after the Russian war on the Golan Heights (Ez. 38) then Trump will want to meet him and present him to the world`s leaders. Over time this Peace Maker deceives the West into thinking that East and West can work together. For that is necessary for a Global Government.

I can give more detail as needed. Marilyn.

Many thanks Marilyn, great input.

They are inclined to think the AC will be Jewish and when there is a serious revival amongst the Jews, many Islamists will equally see Jesus as Messiah and convert. With this happening and Islam being split between Jerusalem and Mecca it will largely go into demise.

But hey my hunch has always been the AC will be from Islam - but I lack the anointing to be sure about such detail.

I will alert them to your post.

 

[Carl Emerson]

Carl, which of the two young men is your son?

Invite them to join this forum. I think they have a lot to learn, judging from what they said in the three videos.

Abraham is my son - the one with the cross. the King Charles Caviller Spaniel is our dog !!

They are young, sure they have plenty to learn, at the same time they are better read than most.

But hey - the enemy of our souls doesn't mind what you do as long as souls are not being saved.

However, I expect to see fruit from their ministry.

Praise the One Who knows all - Jesus whose name is above all.

 

[Apple Sky]

Aw, c'mon! Every president since Eisenhower (the first pres I remember) has been The AntiChrist to the doomsayers du jour, so why should the Donald be excluded?

On the last video are they not talking about Jared Kushner ?

Abraham is my son - the one with the cross. the King Charles Caviller Spaniel is our dog !!

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As to Trump, I believe when the Peace Negotiator makes peace with Israel after the Russian war on the Golan Heights (Ez. 38) then Trump will want to meet him and present him to the world`s leaders. Over time this Peace Maker deceives the West into thinking that East and West can work together. For that is necessary for a Global Government.

King James Bible
For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape

 

[Jamdoc]

No 'real' third temple will be built. Jesus was / is the 3rd Temple.

A great misinterpretation of scripture in the videos to suit ones beliefs....

There are so many of these on youtube etc...

You can't give the outer court of a person's heart or Jesus, to the gentiles to trample over for 42 months.

 

[Carl Emerson]

On the last video are they not talking about Jared Kushner ?

It seems so...

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[sparow]

Just misguided? I would go much further.

But regardless, it's not a Temple. For something to be considered a Temple it has to be made to house God's Spirit, at least, if not having at one point have housed God's Spirit.

You can't desecrate what God has never known, never built, and never commanded to be built.

At best you can say that the act of even building it is itself a desecration - but then you have to open the interpretation up to something beyond only a Jewish temple, and that's already happened.

Whatever it is, we have to say it doesn't matter whether a Jewish temple gets built in Jerusalem or not to end times prophecy - it's not even relevant from what I figure.

I believe we are supposed to be watching prophesy in order to not be caught unaware; I am aware of some similarity between Trump and the Anti-Christ, but the time and the condition of the earth is not right.

I am not aware that scripture has ever numbered temples, numbering was generally offensive to Biblical Jews.

From Christ to 6000 on the Hebrew calendar is 2300 years, about 250+ years into the future, and this probably corresponds to Dan 8:13,14

 

[Marilyn C]

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[Marilyn C]

Many thanks Marilyn, great input.

They are inclined to think the AC will be Jewish and when there is a serious revival amongst the Jews, many Islamists will equally see Jesus as Messiah and convert. With this happening and Islam being split between Jerusalem and Mecca it will largely go into demise.

But hey my hunch has always been the AC will be from Islam - but I lack the anointing to be sure about such detail.

I will alert them to your post.

Hi Carl,

They are two very nice young men who sincerely love the Lord and His word. The link above will give them all the answers they are looking for. It was written by a pastor last century with an in depth knowledge of the Lord and end times. Hope they can look into it.

Marilyn.

 

[Douggg]

Welcome to OO: Eschatology » Fires Before the dawn.

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Hi Marilyn,

I read through the posts in that thread. I think the book is outdated, by over 30 years.

 

[Douggg]

Abraham is my son - the one with the cross. the King Charles Caviller Spaniel is our dog !!

They are young, sure they have plenty to learn, at the same time they are better read than most.

But hey - the enemy of our souls doesn't mind what you do as long as souls are not being saved.

However, I expect to see fruit from their ministry.

Praise the One Who knows all - Jesus whose name is above all.

Invite the two young men to join this forum - so I can show them some of my timeline charts.

 

[Marilyn C]

Hi Marilyn,

I read through the posts in that thread. I think the book is outdated, by over 30 years.

The `book` was posted on that site many years ago and it was written many years before that. However, the truths it talks about and the prophecies of God`s word are certainly NOT out of date.

Quote `An insight into the current events of the `90`s to the final coming of Christ.` Unquote.

 

[eclipsenow]

There are 4 reasons Futurism is wrong. Futurism sees Revelation as a future timetable of end times events. Rather the “Last Days” started the moment Jesus rose to the Father! (Acts 2, Hebrews 1).

JOHN WROTE REVELATION TO HIS GENERATION
In Revelation 1 John obviously wrote it to his generation about the Roman persecution that was about to break out.
He says "The time is near" and "soon" and they were to take this book he was writing to heart and obey it! How can they obey it if it’s about something that starts 2000 years later? That's just not consistent with the pastoral concern of John to HIS generation. As if he would say “You guys think the Romans are bad - well toughen up princesses! Because wait till you see what happens in 2000 years!” It’s just funny!

EVERY GENERATION OF FUTURISTS THINKS THEIRS IS THE GENERATION.
It’s just so much fun to draw up conspiracy theory timetables and ‘crazy-walls’ with maps and coloured wool crossing all over the place. But every time someone publishes a big book that becomes a best seller it’s wrong, and people become increasingly sceptical about the whole of Christianity. Futurists have a long history of being WRONG! We’ve seen it here recently. It’s just a bad witness - and I wince at the damage being done to Christian credibility by people getting caught up in so many lies and conspiracies.

FUTURISM SOMETIMES START CULTS and KILLS PEOPLE
The JW's and Mormons started as Millennial movements. Then look at Jonestown and the Branch Davidians at Waco, Texas.

IT DISTORTS THE SHAPE OF THE BIBLE
In the gospel, Jesus fulfils all the OT promises as he dies and rises again and reigns over the church (as the new kingdom of God with both Jews and Gentiles sharing in this kingdom.)
Jesus fulfilled ALL Old Testament promises in being our ultimate prophet, priest and king, our sacrifice, our temple, our Israel, and so brings the kingdom near. But it is a kingdom that is ‘not of this world’. He reigns now from heaven. We long for Judgment Day when Jesus will save us from sin, the world, and the devil - and install a new Heavens and New Earth. Adding a strange “half heaven, half earth millennium” to the picture messes up the sense from the rest of the New Testament that the moment Jesus returns - that’s it! It’s Judgement Day and a New Heavens and New Earth.


WHAT IS REVELATION ACTUALLY ABOUT?
It’s about Rome - but also to us - if we understand the symbols. It’s about tyrants, and nature in chaos, and the temptations of wealth. It’s about the gospel - and rehashes that in picture language. John also reminds us of the end of the world and heaven in a number of places. It’s not a timeline that marches in a straight line, but a waltz that goes around and around certain themes.
Watch these two 11 minute videos. (They’re up to 4.65 million hits!)

Also - my favourite theologian on Revelation is Dr Paul Barnett. I know his family and have met him, and he’s a warm and generous Christian man. He’s also a very smart historian. He was also a Bishop, is an expert on Hebrew symbolism, and even received an Order of Australia medal.
Buy this - and do this as a personal devotion. I pray Revelation gives you new insight into the temptations and dangers of the spiritual battle we are in. It’s language makes me uncomfortable - and that’s the point!
RTBT Revelation: Apocalypse Now and Then

 

[sparow]

There are 4 reasons Futurism is wrong. Futurism sees Revelation as a future timetable of end times events. Rather the “Last Days” started the moment Jesus rose to the Father! (Acts 2, Hebrews 1).

JOHN WROTE REVELATION TO HIS GENERATION
In Revelation 1 John obviously wrote it to his generation about the Roman persecution that was about to break out.
He says "The time is near" and "soon" and they were to take this book he was writing to heart and obey it! How can they obey it if it’s about something that starts 2000 years later? That's just not consistent with the pastoral concern of John to HIS generation. As if he would say “You guys think the Romans are bad - well toughen up princesses! Because wait till you see what happens in 2000 years!” It’s just funny!

EVERY GENERATION OF FUTURISTS THINKS THEIRS IS THE GENERATION.
It’s just so much fun to draw up conspiracy theory timetables and ‘crazy-walls’ with maps and coloured wool crossing all over the place. But every time someone publishes a big book that becomes a best seller it’s wrong, and people become increasingly sceptical about the whole of Christianity. Futurists have a long history of being WRONG! We’ve seen it here recently. It’s just a bad witness - and I wince at the damage being done to Christian credibility by people getting caught up in so many lies and conspiracies.

FUTURISM SOMETIMES START CULTS and KILLS PEOPLE
The JW's and Mormons started as Millennial movements. Then look at Jonestown and the Branch Davidians at Waco, Texas.

IT DISTORTS THE SHAPE OF THE BIBLE
In the gospel, Jesus fulfils all the OT promises as he dies and rises again and reigns over the church (as the new kingdom of God with both Jews and Gentiles sharing in this kingdom.)
Jesus fulfilled ALL Old Testament promises in being our ultimate prophet, priest and king, our sacrifice, our temple, our Israel, and so brings the kingdom near. But it is a kingdom that is ‘not of this world’. He reigns now from heaven. We long for Judgment Day when Jesus will save us from sin, the world, and the devil - and install a new Heavens and New Earth. Adding a strange “half heaven, half earth millennium” to the picture messes up the sense from the rest of the New Testament that the moment Jesus returns - that’s it! It’s Judgement Day and a New Heavens and New Earth.


WHAT IS REVELATION ACTUALLY ABOUT?
It’s about Rome - but also to us - if we understand the symbols. It’s about tyrants, and nature in chaos, and the temptations of wealth. It’s about the gospel - and rehashes that in picture language. John also reminds us of the end of the world and heaven in a number of places. It’s not a timeline that marches in a straight line, but a waltz that goes around and around certain themes.
Watch these two 11 minute videos. (They’re up to 4.65 million hits!)

Also - my favourite theologian on Revelation is Dr Paul Barnett. I know his family and have met him, and he’s a warm and generous Christian man. He’s also a very smart historian. He was also a Bishop, is an expert on Hebrew symbolism, and even received an Order of Australia medal.
Buy this - and do this as a personal devotion. I pray Revelation gives you new insight into the temptations and dangers of the spiritual battle we are in. It’s language makes me uncomfortable - and that’s the point!
RTBT Revelation: Apocalypse Now and Then

Futurism is obviously erroneous, as is Preterism. Both began as hypotheticals at the Council of Trent, and each placed the anti-Christ outside of the timeframe of the Papacy, these possibilities as thesis' featured in debate.

Studying prophesy, one can learn a lot, but ism's usually means someone else is telling us what to think.

We need a good understanding of what is prophesied so that when it happens, we will recognize it. I think we should be looking at Israel and what is prophesied for there, for it to be surrounded by armies and so forth.

 

[lifepsyop]

JOHN WROTE REVELATION TO HIS GENERATION
In Revelation 1 John obviously wrote it to his generation about the Roman persecution that was about to break out.
He says "The time is near" and "soon" and they were to take this book he was writing to heart and obey it! How can they obey it if it’s about something that starts 2000 years later? That's just not consistent with the pastoral concern of John to HIS generation. As if he would say “You guys think the Romans are bad - well toughen up princesses! Because wait till you see what happens in 2000 years!” It’s just funny!

Yep.

The Book of Revelation was John's version of the Olivet Discourse concerning the destruction of the Temple.

It's amazing how many "soons" "shortlys" "at hands" "within this generation" we can read and still be tricked into believing that it still hasn't happened for thousands of years.

This whole Premillenial / Futurism thing was a 20th century Zionist project. Christianity really went off the rails after 1948.

 

[SarahsKnight]

There are 4 reasons Futurism is wrong. Futurism sees Revelation as a future timetable of end times events. Rather the “Last Days” started the moment Jesus rose to the Father! (Acts 2, Hebrews 1).

JOHN WROTE REVELATION TO HIS GENERATION
In Revelation 1 John obviously wrote it to his generation about the Roman persecution that was about to break out.
He says "The time is near" and "soon" and they were to take this book he was writing to heart and obey it! How can they obey it if it’s about something that starts 2000 years later? That's just not consistent with the pastoral concern of John to HIS generation. As if he would say “You guys think the Romans are bad - well toughen up princesses! Because wait till you see what happens in 2000 years!” It’s just funny!

EVERY GENERATION OF FUTURISTS THINKS THEIRS IS THE GENERATION.
It’s just so much fun to draw up conspiracy theory timetables and ‘crazy-walls’ with maps and coloured wool crossing all over the place. But every time someone publishes a big book that becomes a best seller it’s wrong, and people become increasingly sceptical about the whole of Christianity. Futurists have a long history of being WRONG! We’ve seen it here recently. It’s just a bad witness - and I wince at the damage being done to Christian credibility by people getting caught up in so many lies and conspiracies.

FUTURISM SOMETIMES START CULTS and KILLS PEOPLE
The JW's and Mormons started as Millennial movements. Then look at Jonestown and the Branch Davidians at Waco, Texas.

IT DISTORTS THE SHAPE OF THE BIBLE
In the gospel, Jesus fulfils all the OT promises as he dies and rises again and reigns over the church (as the new kingdom of God with both Jews and Gentiles sharing in this kingdom.)
Jesus fulfilled ALL Old Testament promises in being our ultimate prophet, priest and king, our sacrifice, our temple, our Israel, and so brings the kingdom near. But it is a kingdom that is ‘not of this world’. He reigns now from heaven. We long for Judgment Day when Jesus will save us from sin, the world, and the devil - and install a new Heavens and New Earth. Adding a strange “half heaven, half earth millennium” to the picture messes up the sense from the rest of the New Testament that the moment Jesus returns - that’s it! It’s Judgement Day and a New Heavens and New Earth.


WHAT IS REVELATION ACTUALLY ABOUT?
It’s about Rome - but also to us - if we understand the symbols. It’s about tyrants, and nature in chaos, and the temptations of wealth. It’s about the gospel - and rehashes that in picture language. John also reminds us of the end of the world and heaven in a number of places. It’s not a timeline that marches in a straight line, but a waltz that goes around and around certain themes.
Watch these two 11 minute videos. (They’re up to 4.65 million hits!)

Also - my favourite theologian on Revelation is Dr Paul Barnett. I know his family and have met him, and he’s a warm and generous Christian man. He’s also a very smart historian. He was also a Bishop, is an expert on Hebrew symbolism, and even received an Order of Australia medal.
Buy this - and do this as a personal devotion. I pray Revelation gives you new insight into the temptations and dangers of the spiritual battle we are in. It’s language makes me uncomfortable - and that’s the point!
RTBT Revelation: Apocalypse Now and Then

I believe you have spoken wisely in this, @eclipsenow .

This whole Premillenial / Futurism thing was a 20th century Zionist project. Christianity really went off the rails after 1948.

It is also responsible for the atrocity that is the Left Behind books, which I can't help but feel has a spirit of spite and vengeance about it, on top of the poor writing. And unfortunately, I let those books get into my head the last two years or so, and am having to slowly purge them back out of mind.

 

[sparow]

Yep.

The Book of Revelation was John's version of the Olivet Discourse concerning the destruction of the Temple.

It's amazing how many "soons" "shortlys" "at hands" "within this generation" we can read and still be tricked into believing that it still hasn't happened for thousands of years.

This whole Premillenial / Futurism thing was a 20th century Zionist project. Christianity really went off the rails after 1948.

Jesus did say nobody knew the day or hour, except the Father; have you been tricked into believing it has happened. What has happened, do any have eternal life, has the Kingdom of God been set up on earth, is Jerusalem the new Jerusalem. There was prophesy fulfilled 70 AD and ever since.

Zionism has nothing to do with Christ, it may have something to do with prophesy. Dispensationalism and Futurism precedes Zionism. That the Zionist ended up in Palestine was coincidental; had Hitler not happened they probably would have brought land elsewhere.

 

[FutureAndAHope]

Hi Carl,

I have to admit I did not watch your son's videos, at least not yet, I hour just seemed too long. But I will add my two cents to this.

I believe we are in the End Times, or close to it. Due to the following reasons:

1. Predictive Dreams I had around 6 -10 years ago
2. Prophecy given to the church through ministers of the gospel that is coming to pass

I will discuss the two here.

Predictive Dreams​

Some years ago ( around 5 years before the war) I had three predictive dreams about the Russian war with Ukraine, each dream when I awoke I felt came from God. In one of the dreams I saw Russian fighting vehicles, and when I saw them I heard God say "The End", and I felt like the Russians were causing my death, even bringing the very end of time itself.

Prophecy​

This is going to be a hard one for many to swallow. But people with a genuine prophetic gift have predicted that the West will be destroyed by Russian nukes, shortly before Jesus returns. If you scour the news out of Russia you will see they often threaten Nuclear conflict with the West over Ukraine.

Among the prophecies, are:

A 90-year-old woman, who gave the Valdres Prophecy <The Valdres Prophecy>. It was given in 1964 and she accurately predicted events in the church and society up to the Ukraine war, which she said would turn Nuclear at it end.

David R. Wilkerson 1993 - Set the Trumpet to Thy Mouth | Internet Archive, accessed 4 October 2024, <https://archive.org/details/settrumpettothym0000davi
/page/12/mode/2up>. Predicted that before Jesus returns the USA will be destroyed by Nukes.

William Branham <1933 7 Visions of William Branham | William Branham> accurately predicted the events of the Second World War. The rise of Communism. He told us to watch Russia. That when we see bubble-like self-driving cars, the end is soon. His vision ended with the total fiery destruction of the USA, after a woman was in the white house.

Conclusion​

From my dreams, and supporting prophecy, I believe we are in the End Days.