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Time Watcher said in post 18:
Revelation speaks of those who will become believers during the coming tribulation [Revelation 6:9-11; 13:7; 13:15; 14:13]
Time Watcher said in post 18:
All on the earth will experience the Lord's unprecedented coming hour [time] of trial and there is no promise to protect any who will become believers except the 144000 of the children of Israel [Revelation 7:1-8]
Time Watcher said in post 18:
All on the earth will experience the Lord's unprecedented coming hour [time] of trial and there is no promise to protect any who will become believers except the 144000 of the children of Israel [Revelation 7:1-8]
John S said in post 19:
If your "Survivalist" group is going to have guns to defend themselves, then they SURELY are antichristian.
keras said in post 26:
The next event we can expect will be the fulfilment of Psalm 83, when an Islamic confederation starts to attack Israel.
keras said in post 26:
My preparations for this, as we are told in Isaiah 26:20-21, is to have an insulated container stocked with food and water for a few days.
keras said in post 30:
Bible2, your lengthy and somewhat confused replies, fail to properly address the next event; that is; the Day of the Lord's vengeance and wrath.
keras said in post 30:
Why mix up the Gog attack and the Tribulation with the DoL?
Or at least not Biblical Christians. For under the New Covenant, which Christians are under (Matthew 26:28, Jeremiah 31:31), Christians are commanded never to harm anyone, even in self-defense (Matthew 5:39,44, Matthew 26:52; 2 Corinthians 10:3-5).
Also, Christians are commanded to love their enemies (Matthew 5:44), and that means they must do them no harm (Romans 13:10a, Matthew 7:12).
Bible2 - TL/DR [google that]
I believe the real events will come crashing upon us very soon, then truth will prevail.
logostelos
Echolipse said in post 33:
Luke 22:35-39 And He said to them, "When I sent you without money bag, knapsack, and sandals, did you lack anything?" So they said, "Nothing." 36 Then He said to them, "But now, he who has a money bag, let him take it, and likewise a knapsack; and he who has no sword, let him sell his garment and buy one. 37 "For I say to you that this which is written must still be accomplished in Me: 'And He was numbered with the transgressors.' For the things concerning Me have an end." 38 So they said, "Lord, look, here are two swords." And He said to them, "It is enough." 39 Coming out, He went to the Mount of Olives, as He was accustomed, and His disciples also followed Him.
Echolipse said in post 33:
So by your statement, I take it if someone breaks into my house and is armed, I will have no right to defend myself and family with my sword/knife/guns?
parousia70 said in post 34:
When you say "Very Soon" do you mean the same thing Jesus and the apostles meant when they told their original 1st century audience these events were coming "Very Soon", or do you mean something different?
Luke 22:36b means that every believer should obtain the sword of the Spirit, which is the Word of God (Ephesians 6:17, Hebrews 4:12). The "two swords" which by themselves are enough for all believers together (Luke 22:38) represent the two parts of God's Word: the Old Testament and the New Testament. Luke 22:36b can't mean that every believer must obtain a physical weapon, for otherwise two physical weapons wouldn't have been enough for all of the apostles (Luke 22:38). And Luke 22:36b can't mean that any believer should obtain a physical weapon with which to attack other people, even in self-defense, for believers are elsewhere commanded not to defend themselves when they're attacked, but to turn the other cheek (Matthew 5:39). For those who take up a physical weapon to attack other people, even in self-defense, will perish by a weapon (Matthew 26:52).
Believers don't employ physical weapons or any other violence against people (2 Corinthians 10:3-5, Ephesians 6:12-18). Instead, Jesus at his first coming set the example for believers of what they're to do when they're physically attacked by people (1 Peter 2:19-23). Believers are to go meekly like sheep to the slaughter (Romans 8:36), just like Jesus did (Isaiah 53:7). Obedient believers know that death is no loss for them, but gain (Philippians 1:21), as it brings their souls into heaven to be with Jesus (2 Corinthians 5:8), which is far better than remaining in this world (Philippians 1:23). During the future tribulation, believers (not in hiding) will have to face martyrdom with patience and faith to the end (Revelation 13:7-10, Revelation 14:12-13, Revelation 20:4, Matthew 24:9-13), just as believers have always had to spiritually overcome in the face of martyrdom (e.g. Revelation 2:10-11). Obedient believers shouldn't fear death (Hebrews 2:15), and shouldn't love their lives unto death (Revelation 12:11b), but should hate their lives in this world if they're to retain eternal life (John 12:25, Mark 8:34-38).
Also, Christians are commanded to love their enemies (Matthew 5:44), and that means that they must do them no harm (Romans 13:10a, Matthew 7:12).
Are you referring to a robbery? If so, most robbers aren't interested in harming anyone if they can simply get the goods they want. So just give them what they want, taking "joyfully the spoiling of your goods, knowing in yourselves that ye have in heaven a better and an enduring substance" (Hebrews 10:34). "Take heed, and beware of covetousness: for a man's life consisteth not in the abundance of the things which he possesseth" (Luke 12:15). "Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal: But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal: For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also" (Matthew 6:19-21).
When you say "Very Soon" do you mean the same thing Jesus and the apostles meant when they told their original 1st century audience these events were coming "Very Soon", or do you mean something different?
Echolipse said in post 37:
While yes, we are called to love our enemies, but the Lord doesn't call us to just sit back and allow our selves to be killed when it's not the Lord's time to call us home.
Echolipse said in post 37:
So what if believers are Police/Deputy Sheriff's? It is against God's word for them to be in that profession and carry weapons to protect the citizens?
Echolipse said in post 37:
For in Matthew 5:9 - He says they are blessed. (Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called children of God.).
Echolipse said in post 37:
If someone broke in, you don't know what their intentions are, are you going to wait till they kill one of your family members while you do nothing?
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