"Embedded Age" Requires Fake Fossils

[Subduction Zone]

Do you still not understand that evolution and geochronology are two completely different fields of science?

Sadly most creationists call all science that they disagree with "evolution".

 

[AV1611VET]

So why is Matthew longer than Mark? And Luke is not an exact copy of Mark. Nevertheless, my argument that we have more than one version stands. This means that God did not dictate the content of the Bible, but simply inspired them to record for posterity what they had witnessed or discovered.

I think that, if everything actually happened that "Bible scholars" say happened, that first century AD was nothing more than one big conspiracy party, with spy-vs-spy tactics going on, people sneaking in and out of the Temple to alter and change the Source Documents, Jesus stumbling on the way to the Cross and falling and switching places with Simon of Cyrene, and authors writing under pseudonyms, Jesus marrying Mary Magdelene in Cana, and Satan knows what all.

It makes a KJVO literalist want to throw up and die.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I think that, if everything actually happened that "Bible scholars" say happened, that first century AD was nothing more than one big conspiracy party, with spy-vs-spy tactics going on, people sneaking in and out of the Temple to alter and change the Source Documents, Jesus stumbling on the way to the Cross and falling and switching places with Simon of Cyrene, and authors writing under pseudonyms, Jesus marrying Mary Magdelene in Cana, and Satan knows what all.

It makes a KJVO literalist want to throw up and die.

Oh please, this sounds like pure conspiracy theory nonsense. There were many different sects of Christianity even early in the history of Christianity. When the churches began to get organized they decided which gospels were in and which were out.

 

[AV1611VET]

That demonstrates that martyrdom does not prove anything.

Maybe in your neck of the woods ... but God sees them differently.

Hebrews 11:38a ( Of whom the world was not worthy: )

 

[AV1611VET]

Sadly most creationists call all science that they disagree with "evolution".

I wonder where they got that term in the first place?

 

[AV1611VET]

Oh please, this sounds like pure conspiracy theory nonsense.

No argument there.

(Except I called it a "conspiracy party.")

 

[Subduction Zone]

Maybe in your neck of the woods ... but God sees them differently.

Hebrews 11:38a ( Of whom the world was not worthy: )

That letter was written well before the first gospel was written. You are once again quote mining the Bible. Isn't that extremely blasphemous?

That verse does not apply to the authors of the gospels, in fact it seems to be talking about historical Jews, not modern day Christians.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I wonder where they got that term in the first place?

AV, you are dribbling nonsense again. Surely you can do better.

 

[Subduction Zone]

No argument there.

(Except I called it a "conspiracy party.")

As long as you admit to your errors that is all that matters.

 

[AV1611VET]

That letter was written well before the first gospel was written.

Assuming that's true, what's that have to do with anything?

 

[HitchSlap]

I think that, if everything actually happened that "Bible scholars" say happened, that first century AD was nothing more than one big conspiracy party, with spy-vs-spy tactics going on, people sneaking in and out of the Temple to alter and change the Source Documents, Jesus stumbling on the way to the Cross and falling and switching places with Simon of Cyrene, and authors writing under pseudonyms, Jesus marrying Mary Magdelene in Cana, and Satan knows what all.

It makes a KJVO literalist want to throw up and die.

Your demonstration of ignorance regarding Chritian history is duly noted.

 

[HitchSlap]

Assuming that's true, what's that have to do with anything?

He already told you. You're quote mining.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Assuming that's true, what's that have to do with anything?

I asked for evidence that the writers of the gospels were martyrs. You presented none.

So one more time, what evidence do you have that the authors of the gospels were martyrs. It is rather ironic that the one author that we may know the name of was not a martyr.

 

[AV1611VET]

Your demonstration of ignorance regarding Chritian history is duly noted.

Thank you.

Guilty as charged, if I learned it where you guys learned it.

 

[AV1611VET]

I asked for evidence that the writers of the gospels were martyrs. You presented none.

So one more time, what evidence do you have that the authors of the gospels were martyrs. It is rather ironic that the one author that we may know the name of was not a martyr.

My source is Fox's Book of Martyrs.

 

[Subduction Zone]

My source is Fox's Book of Martyrs.

Really? Is that all? You do know that the myth of Christian persecution is greatly overstated, don't you? Yes, there were a few martyrs, but nowhere near the numbers claimed by some sources.

 

[AV1611VET]

You do know that the myth of Christian persecution is greatly overstated, don't you?

And the conspiracy party marches right on through history, doesn't it?

Everyone's out of step but my Johnny ... right?

 

[Subduction Zone]

And the conspiracy party marches right on through history, doesn't it?

Everyone's out of step but my Johnny ... right?

This is not "a conspiracy". Your source was questioned from the start. Especially for his claims of ancient martyrs:

"Foxe as historian
The author's credibility was challenged as soon as the book first appeared. Detractors accused Foxe of dealing falsely with the evidence, of misusing documents, and of telling partial truths. "

"
Objectivity and Advocacy[edit]
Foxe's book is in no sense an impartial account of the period. He did not hold to later centuries' notions of neutrality or objectivity, but made unambiguous side glosses on his text, such as "Mark the apish pageants of these popelings" and "This answer smelleth of forging and crafty packing."[49] David Loades has suggested that Foxe's history of the political situation, at least, is 'remarkably objective'. He makes no attempt to make martyrs out of Wyatt and his followers, or anyone else who was executed for treason, except George Eagles, whom he describes as falsely accused."[50]

Sidney Lee, in the Dictionary of National Biography, called Foxe "a passionate advocate, ready to accept any primâ facie evidence". Lee also listed some specific errors and suggested that John Foxe plagiarized. Thomas S. Freeman observes that, like a hypothetical barrister, Foxe had to deal with the evidence of what actually happened, evidence that he was rarely in a position to forge. But he would not present facts damaging to his client, and he had the skills that enabled him to arrange the evidence so as to make it conform to what he wanted it to say. Like the barrister, Foxe presents crucial evidence and tells a side of the story which must be heard, but his text should never be read uncritically, and his partisan objectives should always be kept in mind."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foxe's_Book_of_Martyrs

And more recent work has shown that the claims of massive early Christian martyrs is greatly exaggerated:

"The Myth of Persecution: How Early Christians Invented a Story of Martyrdom is a 2013 book by Candida Moss, a professor of New Testament and Early Christianity at the University of Notre Dame. Moss's thesis is that the traditional idea of the "Age of Martyrdom", when Christians suffered persecution from the Roman authorities and lived in fear of being thrown to the lions, is largely fictional. There was never sustained, targeted persecution of Christians by Imperial Roman authorities. Official persecution of Christians by order of the Roman Emperor lasted for at most twelve years of the first three hundred of the Church's history. Most of the stories of individual martyrs are pure invention, and even the oldest and most historically accurate stories of martyrs and their sufferings have been altered and re-written by later editors, so that it is impossible to know for sure what any of the martyrs actually thought, did or said."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Myth_of_Persecution

 

[Herman Hedning]

My source is Fox's Book of Martyrs.

Really? Is that all? You do know that the myth of Christian persecution is greatly overstated, don't you? Yes, there were a few martyrs, but nowhere near the numbers claimed by some sources.

Maybe AV means Fox News' Book of Media Martyrs?

 

[RickG]

Yes. I believe that the flood was accompanied by a great volcanic activity that elevated great portions of the submerged land mass.

Nic, I am curious as to what the SDA science consensus is with respect to sedimentary strata, i.e., the geologic column? According to young earth creationism, the layers of sedimentary strata were laid down via Noah's Flood. Does SDA science concur, differ, or have mixed views?