"Embedded Age" Requires Fake Fossils

[dad]

The earth is old, but life on earth is probably rather young measured in thousands instead of millions of years.

Maybe you should spend more time learning and less time trying to sound like you know what you are talking about.

 

[dad]

For me the distant past applies to the life of stars and galaxies—not our atmosphere.

Stars were made on the day the sun was and that was after our earth. The atmosphere may pre date stars!

 

[dad]

I suspect that the first creative act of God was marked when God said: “Let there be light.” The reference to the stars is probably an interpolation or an afterthought. I do not believe that the billions of stars were created during the creation week described in Genesis.

Genesis one was written to counteract the prevalent polytheism in Moses’ time.

No. Genesis was written because God ordered it, and wanted a record of creation. Before God said let there be light He had created the heavens and earth. There is NO support in the bible to have stars and the sun be created outside of creation week. None at all. Stop dreaming, the hour is late.

 

[JasonClark]

Stars were made on the day the sun was and that was after our earth. The atmosphere may pre date stars!

Now who's dreaming?

 

[JasonClark]

Maybe you should spend more time learning and less time trying to sound like you know what you are talking about.

Do you mean like you? you are the one without the answers and all the beliefs, all I have seen you do is talk about nothing, you tell everyone they are wrong and that you are the only one with all the answers when you have shown so many times that could not be further from the truth.
If you read, studied and thought more you could learn a lot, open your mind to the possibility that you could be wrong.

 

[RickG]

The fact is that Jesus promised to bring it all to their memory by His Spirit.


Jesus honored and fulfilled Scripture. You insult it, and believers of all ages.

Okay, you've had your Jesus moment. Now do you think you might be able to contribute to the topic of the thread, "embedded age".

 

[RickG]

For me the distant past applies to the life of stars and galaxies—not our atmosphere.

That's fine, but I asked a specific question concerning as to how far on the deep past do you think we can look, with respect to "Earth's" physical environment.

 

[RickG]

You have now obliterated the value of research. Read the testimony of Luke, who performed this kind of research before writing his epistle. Read Paul’s account and his reference to numerous witnesses who were still alive when he wrote.

No, all I did was to state a fact. I made no indication one way or the other as to the authenticity or validity.

 

[RickG]

The earth is old, but life on earth is probably rather young measured in thousands instead of millions of years.

Then how do we explain fossils of life being found in layers of sedimentary strata dating back well over 3 Ga (billion years)?

 

[RickG]

Stars were made on the day the sun was and that was after our earth. The atmosphere may pre date stars!

Then please explain how there was grass, herbs and trees yielding fruit before the sun?

 

[Loudmouth]

The kingdoms that came and went like obedient lapdog validate scripture.

In order to validate a young earth and a flood you need evidence for each.

The flood was like pretty mountain building and Continental drift, and ice age, so where do you expect flood vidence?

Those are assertions, not evidence.

 

[Nic Samojluk]

What history has validated a recent global flood? Where is the evidence?

“Four hundred feet below the surface, they unearthed an ancient shoreline, proof to Ballard that a catastrophic event did happen in the Black Sea. By carbon dating shells found along the shoreline, Ballard said he believes they have established a timeline for that catastrophic event, which he estimates happened around 5,000 BC. Some experts believe this was around the time when Noah's flood could have occurred. …”

Ref. : http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/ev...t-flood-noahs-time-happened/story?id=17884533

More:

http://www.biblearchaeology.org/bookstore/category.aspx?id=22&gclid=CIznoLf9lsYCFUGTfgodeaAAmA

https://www.google.com/search?q=evi...ImBVaqrDcSvogTSmZjIBw&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAA&dpr=1.2

 

[bhsmte]

“Four hundred feet below the surface, they unearthed an ancient shoreline, proof to Ballard that a catastrophic event did happen in the Black Sea. By carbon dating shells found along the shoreline, Ballard said he believes they have established a timeline for that catastrophic event, which he estimates happened around 5,000 BC. Some experts believe this was around the time when Noah's flood could have occurred. …”

Ref. : http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/ev...t-flood-noahs-time-happened/story?id=17884533

More:

http://www.biblearchaeology.org/bookstore/category.aspx?id=22&gclid=CIznoLf9lsYCFUGTfgodeaAAmA

https://www.google.com/search?q=evidence+for+Noah's+flood&hl=en&biw=1067&bih=526&site=imghp&source=lnms&sa=X&ei=nImBVaqrDcSvogTSmZjIBw&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAA&dpr=1.2

Why hasn't this opinion, been accepted by professional geologists?

 

[RickG]

“Four hundred feet below the surface, they unearthed an ancient shoreline, proof to Ballard that a catastrophic event did happen in the Black Sea. By carbon dating shells found along the shoreline, Ballard said he believes they have established a timeline for that catastrophic event, which he estimates happened around 5,000 BC. Some experts believe this was around the time when Noah's flood could have occurred. …”

Ref. : http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/ev...t-flood-noahs-time-happened/story?id=17884533

More:

http://www.biblearchaeology.org/bookstore/category.aspx?id=22&gclid=CIznoLf9lsYCFUGTfgodeaAAmA

https://www.google.com/search?q=evidence+for+Noah's+flood&hl=en&biw=1067&bih=526&site=imghp&source=lnms&sa=X&ei=nImBVaqrDcSvogTSmZjIBw&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAA&dpr=1.2

What Ballard is referring to is the well established 8200 event. There are actually more recent papers published than Ballard, et al., which are more robust and conclusive with their data. I'll get back later today with more specific information, but for now its an afternoon with the grandchildren.

 

[Loudmouth]

“Four hundred feet below the surface, they unearthed an ancient shoreline, proof to Ballard that a catastrophic event did happen in the Black Sea. By carbon dating shells found along the shoreline, Ballard said he believes they have established a timeline for that catastrophic event, which he estimates happened around 5,000 BC. Some experts believe this was around the time when Noah's flood could have occurred. …”

Let me repeat my question.

"What history has validated a recent global flood? Where is the evidence?"

Notice the word GLOBAL. Finding a flood in one part of the world is not evidence for a GLOBAL flood. Seeing news of the Mississippi river flooding one state is not evidence that the entire world is being flooded.

 

[Nic Samojluk]

Since you reject the Big Bang, it is, I think, fair to ask how you explain these observations if not as the result of the expansion of the universe from an initial high-density high-temperature state?

“(Phys.org) —Cosmologist Christof Wetterich of the University of Heidelberg has uploaded a paper to the arXiv server in which he claims it's possible that the theory of expansion of the universe might be incorrect. He suggests instead that the redshift observed by researchers here on Earth might be caused by an increase in the mass in the universe. …”

Ref.: http://phys.org/news/2013-08-cosmologist-universe.html

More: https://www.google.com/search?q=uni...5uBVcfVDJC4ogS_iK3gDQ&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAA&dpr=1.2

If this alternative explanation is true, this evidence might be interpreted as evidence for creation when God added matter to the universe.

 

[Nic Samojluk]

Notice the word GLOBAL.

I have no need to prove that the flood was global. We may interpret it as a local event by appealing to the language used in the Bible. The story of Joseph states that all the world came to Joseph for food. No one claims that the aborigines from America traveled to Egypt to buy food.

 

[Loudmouth]

I have no need to prove that the flood was global.

There are those who claim that the flood was global, and my question would be aimed at them.

If you want to claim that Noah's flood was a specific local flood, then I would be interested in how you determined that.

 

[Astrophile]

“(Phys.org) —Cosmologist Christof Wetterich of the University of Heidelberg has uploaded a paper to the arXiv server in which he claims it's possible that the theory of expansion of the universe might be incorrect. He suggests instead that the redshift observed by researchers here on Earth might be caused by an increase in the mass in the universe. …”

Ref.: http://phys.org/news/2013-08-cosmologist-universe.html

More: https://www.google.com/search?q=uni...5uBVcfVDJC4ogS_iK3gDQ&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAA&dpr=1.2

If this alternative explanation is true, this evidence might be interpreted as evidence for creation when God added matter to the universe.

Wetterich's hypothesis may be well-founded, but your links don't say how the hypothesis explains the observational data that support the Big Bang cosmology, nor do they say that the hypothesis vitiates the age for the universe obtained from WMAP and Planck observations.

 

[Nic Samojluk]

Your opinion is noted -- unfortunately, it doesn't match up with what we have been able to observe.

Do not confuse the observed facts with the interpretation of those facts.