"Embedded Age" Requires Fake Fossils

[Nic Samojluk]

Biologically speaking chimpanzees are closest to us than any other species of the "great apes". However, and I admit that biology is not my field of expertise, but I don't believe that we evolved from chimpanzees, rather humans and chimpanzees have a common ancestor.

My field is religion. My dissertation dealt with abortion. I know very little about biology and geology. I do agree that we did not evolve from chimpanzees; but I do not accept the notion that we share a common ancestor. We do share, though, a common design.

 

[RickG]

My field is religion. My dissertation dealt with abortion. I know very little about biology and geology. I do agree that we did not evolve from chimpanzees; but I do not accept the notion that we share a common ancestor. We do share, though, a common design.

Thank you for the insight. For what its worth, I reject abortion as well.

 

[Nic Samojluk]

And as I explained to you common design is not even a hypothesis.

It is my hypothesis! I wish you or some other scientist would build on that. If science represents the search for truth, then we must consider all reality instead of excluding from it what is most precious to Christians. God either exists or he doesn't. If he does, then science will never discover what really happened in the deep past if they close the door to true search for truth.

 

[VirOptimus]

It is my hypothesis! I wish you or some other scientist would build on that. If science represents the search for truth, then we must consider all reality instead of excluding from it what is most precious to Christians. God either exists or he doesn't. If he does, then science will never discover what really happened in the deep past if they close the door to true search for truth.

But the existence of god is a metaphysical question and therefore beyond science.

Science describes physical reality, using religion to debate physical reality is really missing the point IMO and also very unproductive as reality always win out in the end.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Do we have any independent way of verifying the claim that the oxygen content of the atmosphere was lower before the Cambrian Explosion took place?

What exactly do you mean by "independent"? There are ways of estimating the O2 concentration by various sediments deposited in different areas in the world. Chemicals will react with different concentrations of O2 in different ways. For example it does not take very much dissolved O2 to make Fe+2 go to Fe+3. The world wide iron ore deposits for the most part (there are some sediments that eroded again) mark the beginning of the oxidation event, if I remember correctly. Here is an ebook that goes into a little detail if you want to learn more:

http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=11630&page=31

 

[RickG]

It is my hypothesis! I wish you or some other scientist would build on that. If science represents the search for truth, then we must consider all reality instead of excluding from it what is most precious to Christians. God either exists or he doesn't. If he does, then science will never discover what really happened in the deep past if they close the door to true search for truth.

I believe I have addressed this before in a previous post, but I will restate my opinion again. I disagree that science represents the search for truth, rather it represents the search for facts, understanding, and the ability to be able to predict future outcomes based on those facts and understandings. Science does not and cannot search for things it cannot observe. In doing that it does not reject religion. And saying that it does not reject religion is not just my opinion, it is also the opinion of the National Academy of Sciences.

"Science and religion are based on different aspects of human experience. In science, explanations must be based on evidence drawn from examining the natural world. Scientifically based observations or experiments that conflict with an explanation eventually must lead to modification or even abandonment of that explanation. Religious faith, in contrast, does not depend only on empirical evidence, is not necessarily modified in the face of conflicting evidence, and typically involves supernatural forces or entities. Because they are not a part of nature, supernatural entities cannot be investigated by science. In this sense, science and religion are separate and address aspects of human understanding in different ways. Attempts to pit science and religion against each other create controversy where none needs to exist."

Source: http://www.nas.edu/evolution/Compatibility.html​

 

[Subduction Zone]

It is my hypothesis! I wish you or some other scientist would build on that. If science represents the search for truth, then we must consider all reality instead of excluding from it what is most precious to Christians. God either exists or he doesn't. If he does, then science will never discover what really happened in the deep past if they close the door to true search for truth.

No, you don't have a hypothesis. You have a wild guess right now. And it is not the duty of scientists to chase every wild guess. There are supposed creation "scientists" some of them are even published and know how to form scientific hypotheses. If it is the duty of anyone it falls upon them. Creationists would not accept a hypothesis that was written and debunked by other scientists. It is the belief of creationists, the burden of proof is upon them, not scientists who think this is nonsense.

Think of it who would most likely try the hardest to find evidence that supports such a hypothesis?

 

[Nic Samojluk]

For example, we share a common ancestor with other great apes, we are still great apes, no change in kind.

We do not share a common ancestor with apes. What we share with apes is a common designer.

 

[VirOptimus]

We do not share a common ancestor with apes. What we share with apes is a common designer.

The evidence does not support this assertion.

 

[AV1611VET]

The evidence does not support this assertion.

What evidence? missing links?

 

[VirOptimus]

What evidence? missing links?

Now you are being deliberetly obtuse.

 

[Nic Samojluk]

Why is our DNA so extremely close to that of chimpanzees, the closest ancestor of ours as shown by fossil evidence?

And why there is such huge gap in our abilities? Can you discuss this topic with any of the apes? My bet is that the future descendants of apes will never match the mental capacity or the language abilities of humans. The reason is quite simple: Humans were created in the image of God, while apes were not.

I suggest that you adopt the common design hypothesis! It would solve the most serious problems of evolutionist scientists.

 

[AV1611VET]

I suggest that you adopt the common design hypothesis! It would solve the most serious problems of evolutionist scientists.

So would Romans 10:13.

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

I'll tell you what.

You find me a T. Rex that you know died in the Flood* and start from there -- how's that?

* Pack some warm clothes. I hear it's cold on Neptune.

OK its a dull day, so I'll bite. What's Neptune got to do with any of this?

 

[Herman Hedning]

OK its a dull day, so I'll bite. What's Neptune got to do with any of this?

It is part of AV's extensive Genesis research. Noah originally lived in New Jersey and built the ark there. After the flood, God deposited the excess water on Neptune. All very interesting stuff.

 

[AV1611VET]

OK its a dull day, so I'll bite. What's Neptune got to do with any of this?

Since I believe the Flood was global, I believe there was more water on the earth during the Flood than there was when the creation week ended.

Where did all that water go then, after the Flood?

Scripture seems to indicate that God ordered the Flood waters to go to a rendezvous point -- probably for removal from the earth, else the earth would obviously still be underwater.

So again, where did all that water go?

I believe God "siphoned" it off the earth and put it somewhere else in the solar system.

Now it gets interesting.

Since God dosen't do anything haphazardly, I believe He may have put the water ... along with all the "floaties" in it ... on Neptune to serve as some sort of "warning beacon" to rogue angels that may be contemplating visiting us and repeating the events of Genesis 6.

Much like emperors of the past would put victims heads on poles to adorn the entrance to a city as a warning sign of who they were messing with; God may have put the dead bodies of the dinosaurs, humans, giants (nephilim), layers of earth and so on as a "final warning" to these angels.

Just a pet theory of mine that nicely explains:

1. where the water went after the Flood
2. why there's no physical evidence of the Flood
3. meandering rivers

For those who disagree with me about Neptune -- and believe me, I expect them to -- I have a simple question:

Where do you think the waters went?

Some think the moon was a viable placement (hence its "seas"), some think Mars (hence its "channels"), I think Neptune.

 

[AV1611VET]

It is part of AV's extensive Genesis research. Noah originally lived in New Jersey and built the ark there. After the flood, God deposited the excess water on Neptune. All very interesting stuff.

 

[bhsmte]

My field is religion. My dissertation dealt with abortion. I know very little about biology and geology. I do agree that we did not evolve from chimpanzees; but I do not accept the notion that we share a common ancestor. We do share, though, a common design.

You would agree then, that your personal opinion is one that is formed with little knowledge of biology, correct?

 

[Nic Samojluk]

You do realize that "Junk DNA" is alive and well, don't you?

The Junk DNA is not junk after all. Scientists are beginning to discover that such DNA have a function in the organism.

 

[bhsmte]

And why there is such huge gap in our abilities? Can you discuss this topic with any of the apes? My bet is that the future descendants of apes will never match the mental capacity or the language abilities of humans. The reason is quite simple: Humans were created in the image of God, while apes were not.

I suggest that you adopt the common design hypothesis! It would solve the most serious problems of evolutionist scientists.

Or, humans evolved to have different abilities.