Embarrassing Evolution proofs

[xianghua]

Which would be a serious challenge to the theory of evolution, just like he said. A new theory might even be required.

and that theory will still be a kind of evolution and natural selection. so evolution will not be false in this case.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

prove it. prove that a motion system can be made by a single part (to move hand for instance).

The sea is full of creatures with single-part motion systems, e.g. buoyancy bladders, sails, etc. Plants have movement systems that involve cells expanding or contracting (of course with multicellular organisms you have to consider functional components rather than individual cells).

 

[Speedwell]

and that theory will still be a kind of evolution and natural selection.

As opposed to what?

I asked you this once before: are you arguing against the fact of evolution or the theory of of evolution?

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

and that theory will still be a kind of evolution and natural selection. so evolution will not be false in this case.

I guess we'll never know

 

[xianghua]

A hand is not a single part. That's a horrible example.

Now a bacterial flagellum? That's relatively simple, comparatively. And we've found that the elements that make up the flagellum are (Surprise!) specializations of earlier, simpler structures. Not only that, but the flagellum itself isn't irreducible. So there goes that argument.

Also, cilia and flagella are both used for the same purpose but have completely different structural elements. This makes perfect sense for structures that evolved independently.

So now YOU get to prove that cilia and flagella did NOT evolve from similar structures over time. Enjoy!

fine. so first we will check the claim about ervs and we will see if evolution is scientific or not and then we will check your claim about the flalgellum too. (and just as a general note: english isnt my native so i may not understand some words here and there).

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Oh great, now we've got Sleestaks.

You won't be so sarky when xianghua digs one up in the Jurassic

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

fine. so first we will check the claim about ervs and we will see if evolution is scientific or not and then we will check your claim about the flalgellum too. (and just as a general note: english isnt my native so i may not understand some words here and there).

It's already been done - many times. It all checks out, don't worry about it.

 

[xianghua]

The sea is full of creatures with single-part motion systems, e.g. buoyancy bladders, sails, etc. Plants have movement systems that involve cells expanding or contracting (of course with multicellular organisms you have to consider functional components rather than individual cells).

i talking about a system that can make your hand move.

 

[xianghua]

It's already been done - many times. It all checks out, don't worry about it.

its seems that you are the one who worry about it

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

i talking about a system that can make your hand move.

You said that was just a 'fer instance' "(to move hand for instance)".

But your hand will move if a single muscle in your arm contracts. But the thing is, if you specify a multi-part system, you can't expect a single part example. Unless you can show me a multi-room house made out of a single brick.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

its seems that you are the one who worry about it

Nope; I'm quite happy about it. It's you that is asking all the daft questions.

 

[Ophiolite]

can you give me one empirical evidence for evolution?

Where to begin?

Consider ammonites, an extinct group of marine cephalopods that existed from the Devonian to the Cretaceous. These were a shelled creature with the animal living in the last chamber. As the animal grew it formed a new chamber and closed off the previous one with a septum, or wall. The intersection of the septa with the inner part of the shell produced a suture.

This suture in the older ammonites is quite simple, but over time, these sutures become increasingly complex. The simplest explanation is that this suture geometry has evolved over time. Indeed, I know of no other rational explanation for what is observed.

If you wish I can develop a four week study program for you that would let you understand this example in a way that is not possible from my simple explanation.

 

[Shemjaza]

No, unless it was a human-like dinosaur.

Why did you just post a picture of Boris Johnson?

 

[Rivga]

You won't be so sarky when xianghua digs one up in the Jurassic

I'd love to see your face when Xianghua not only digs a Sleestaks. out of the Jurassic but finds that it was driving a self replicating car when it was fossilised, to boot.

 

[Arius]

The peer review process is exactly how we know these were fakes. They were tested by other scientists, who used to scientific process to eventually determine the truth.

OR, .. it became too obvious of the fakery and decided to reveal the lies, and get some brownie-points for peer review honesty. They will never admit to evolution being pseudoscience.

 

[Shemjaza]

OR, .. it became too obvious of the fakery and decided to reveal the lies, and get some brownie-points for peer review honesty. They will never admit to evolution being pseudoscience.

Slander and false witness... And not bothering to answer any points provided so far.

That's a poor way to enter a conversation already in progress.

 

[Arius]

Why did you just post a picture of Boris Johnson?

You mean answer to this?

 

[Arius]

O.P.
"Embarrassing Evolution proofs"

My comment:
OR, .. it became too obvious of the fakery and decided to reveal the lies, and get some brownie-points for peer review honesty. They will never admit to evolution being pseudoscience.

@Shemjaza accusation

Slander;
1. the action or crime of making a false spoken statement damaging to a person's reputation

False Witness;
“Thou shalt not bear false witness” forbids: “1. Speaking falsely in any matter, lying, equivocating, and any way devising and designing to deceive our neighbor. 2. Speaking unjustly against our neighbor, to the prejudice of his reputation;

Either justify your accusation against me, or please retract it!?

 

[Shemjaza]

O.P.
"Embarrassing Evolution proofs"



@Shemjaza accusation

Slander;
1. the action or crime of making a false spoken statement damaging to a person's reputation

False Witness;
“Thou shalt not bear false witness” forbids: “1. Speaking falsely in any matter, lying, equivocating, and any way devising and designing to deceive our neighbor. 2. Speaking unjustly against our neighbor, to the prejudice of his reputation;

Either justify your accusation against me, or please retract it!?

I apologize, slander was completly incorrect. You didn't speak out loud. I guess libel would be the correct term.

As to the false witness, you implied that scientists know that evolution is pseudoscience and the revealing of fakes was to cover this.

This is both incorrect about the nature of science and the people who work in it. It is a lie.

 

[DogmaHunter]

can you give me one empirical evidence for evolution?

Phylogenies.
It sounds like one, but it's really bazigillions of data points.

Phylogeny

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