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Says all religion should be banned because he claims its teachings are homophobic.

Let's look at it from the opposite perspective. Imagine the outcry if someone said homosexuality should be banned because it's offensive to [some] religious and non-religious people?
 

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The thing is, homosexuals are free to be homosexuals. The alternative example the OP gave, did actually used to exist :( Extremism from the other side. Homosexuality did used to be illegal in the UK.

It's not illegal anymore (which I believe is the way it should be). I don't agree with homosexuality but I don't agree with dictatorship or a totalitarian state either.

I partly believe this diversity, and PC policy we have in this country now, is partly due to the mistakes we made in the past, where religion was almost forced on people, we weren't welcoming to those who are different. When I look at history though, I always see, that everything seems to go from one extreme to the other. Instead of being more accepting, we're allowing a different group of people, to force their ideas on us instead.

What I don't understand about some Muslim demands and PC going crazy is:

Since when has everyone agreed about everything in life. Not even Christians do. Unless you're handing out personal insults to somebody, i.e. 'saying they're idiots' etc, where it becomes personal abuse, what is the problem.

So someone doesn't agree with something u do/believe - so what? Get over it, I mean when has it ever been the case where people agree on absoultely everything.

Some people almost have a fairytale view of the world - that all people are the same. I believe in remaining respectful, and treating people with the respect and dignity they deserve, but hey. Muslims don't agree with some of the things we do, or believe, and vice versa, just get over it.

It's not like us thinking homosexuality is wrong is going to stop him, so why the chip on his shoulder? Has it only just dawned on him that everyone doesn't share the exact same beliefs Elton John has? That there isn't an official Elton John religious movement going on?

No one agrees with everyone on absolutely everything. As long as people don't start hurling personal insults, or try to control people through legalizing everything, whats the problem? Some people believe one thing, others believe something else.

Seriously get over it and yourself. You do your thing, other people will do theres. It's a planet of different and diverse people, you can't make people into a clone of urself, just to try and make urself feel better, and serve ur arrogant attitude.

There'll probably never be true freedom before Christ comes, but telling people to shut up, because some people just 'don't like what ur saying' really isn't freedom.

I mean get over it. Is ur sense of truth really based on other people's ideas/opinions? If not, what's the problem? And if not, why does it matter if someone says something? They're just words, people say all kinds of things. I don't like some things some Christians have said to me in the past, I could try and say they're not allowed to say it as well. What's the problem? If people were secure and confident in what they believed, the words of other people really wouldn't matter. They're just words, and just people, they're not God.
Accept everyone doesn't think identically to you! Argh!!!

And simply stating u think homosexual practice is wrong is not the same as demonstrating hatred and practicing discrimination against homosexuals which is what the term homophobic actually means. The bible certainly doesn't teach u to practice homophobia. But if you state that you simply disagree with the act, you are often automatically labelled as homophobic. It is a no win situation.

Lol, sorry that's my little rant over. Something that's been on my mind about PC and lets not offend any muslims issues that's been going on lately. I'm all for accepting other people, and not enforcing religious dogmatism, but some muslims start throwing the same demands back at us. Give us this, give us that etc. It's not all about them. Lots of things people say u might not like, but get over it. If u don't like it, u can always live elsewhere.
 
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Says all religion should be banned because he claims its teachings are homophobic.

Let's look at it from the opposite perspective. Imagine the outcry if someone said homosexuality should be banned because it's offensive to [some] religious and non-religious people?
Honestly? I don't know because at different points in my life I've felt the exact same way about religion. So I sort of see where he's coming from.

What he (and a lot of people) fails to understand is that it's the teachings of certain religious PEOPLE that are truly homophobic and wicked.
 
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I wasn't saying homosexuality should be banned. But what he is suggesting is equally stupid.

Besides, you can't get into someone's head and control their thoughts so you could never ban Christianity but you could theoretically ban organized religion. It wouldn't happen though, there are churchgoers in parliament after all.
 
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I wasn't saying homosexuality should be banned. But what he is suggesting is equally stupid.

Besides, you can't get into someone's head and control their thoughts so you could never ban Christianity but you could theoretically ban organized religion. It wouldn't happen though, there are churchgoers in parliament after all.

I agree what he is saying is equally stupid. And it's a double standard.

Banning Christian organised religion hopefully would never happen. Can't see it yet. Besides, it would make our multiculturalism, pluralistic notion look like a joke if we were to become so hostile to us.
 
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Banning Christian organised religion hopefully would never happen.

Might not necessarily be a bad thing. Think about it, if it were banned then you and I would have to break the law, risk being imprisoned, risk being tortured and even risk death to praise to our Lord. It happens already in many countries around the world and those saints have what I would call "faith."

Sure we don't all need to be physically persecuted to establish our faith, but it sure would seperate those who go around saying "yeah I'm a Christian" and those who really know they are Christians.
 
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Yeah, I've worked with the 'underground' church in a couple of Muslim countries. They are awesome brothers and sisters.

I only hope I would have the courage they show every time they meet together or talk about Jesus to their friends.
 
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Of course, hatred against homosexuals is inexcusable. Some Christians I've come across seem to enjoy singling out homosexuality as the worst thing in the world. I'm sure there are many heterosexuals who have grave sexual sin in their lives too. These people who enjoy singling out and bashing others, prob have their own issues and serious sin in their lives - and of course, one of the easiest, but callous ways to help make ourselves feel better, is by putting someone else down.

It's small wonder some people are seen for the haters they really are, and if some people are turned away from God as a result of such people, they will have a lot to answer for.

Simply stating u dont agree with it, is not the same as expressing hatred to that person, or controlling others. But yes, there are always others, who have to take it to the other, equally sickening extreme...
 
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Of course, hatred against homosexuals is inexcusable. Some Christians I've come across seem to enjoy singling out homosexuality as the worst thing in the world. I'm sure there are many heterosexuals who have grave sexual sin in their lives too. These people who enjoy singling out and bashing others, prob have their own issues and serious sin in their lives - and of course, one of the easiest, but callous ways to help make ourselves feel better, is by putting someone else down.

It's small wonder some people are seen for the haters they really are, and if some people are turned away from God as a result of such people, they will have a lot to answer for.

Simply stating u dont agree with it, is not the same as expressing hatred to that person, or controlling others. But yes, there are always others, who have to take it to the other, equally sickening extreme...

I agree :)
 
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I hate the sin and love the sinner.

I will never accept homosexuality to any degree and I urge you to do the same.
You don't have to accept it, but there's a difference between not accepting it and trying to bully people and dictate what they do in their personal life.
 
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I hate the sin and love the sinner.
I don't think so. The 'sin' is manifested in the 'sinner'...you can't really say you love your homosexual friends (if you even have any) while actively and vocally HATING what they are.

Christan platitudes are annoying.
 
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Says all religion should be banned because he claims its teachings are homophobic.

Let's look at it from the opposite perspective. Imagine the outcry if someone said homosexuality should be banned because it's offensive to [some] religious and non-religious people?

If homosexuals went around persecuting the religious for no reason, then your flip-side would be understandable, just as Elton's statements are understandable due to the level of hatred and persecution religion inflicts on gays all around the world.

You might think it's nonsence, that gays aren't oppressed, but when you read about Iran hanging gays then the facts about the horrors brought about by religion become a little more clear.
 
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