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Elon Musk: Voting for Trump ‘only way’ to ‘save’ democracy

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The upper class already pay the lions share of the taxes collected. This rich should pay their fair share rant is just a liberal talking point designed to gin up anger.
We need tax money to pay for the things that the government provides. Does the tax money come from with far, far, far more than they need or from those who have little?
 
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The upper class already pay the lions share of the taxes collected.
Unless something goes massively wrong with the system, this will always be true no matter what the tax rates are. A percentage-based tax system means that those with the most money will pay the most taxes as a dollar amount. Whether that amount is "fair" is the only real question here.

Consider that the total income of the top 1% of people in the US is about $2.8 trillion. In contrast, the total income of the bottom 90% is about $12 trillion. 90x as many people, and they only make about 4x as much money collectively.
 
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Unless something goes massively wrong with the system, this will always be true no matter what the tax rates are. A percentage-based tax system means that those with the most money will pay the most taxes as a dollar amount. Whether that amount is "fair" is the only real question here.

Consider that the total income of the top 1% of people in the US is about $2.8 trillion. In contrast, the total income of the bottom 90% is about $12 trillion. 90x as many people, and they only make about 4x as much money collectively.
And what would you do about it?
My father used to tell me that if you took all the money and redistributed it evenly in less than a year the people who had the money would have it back.
 
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This should be common knowledge by now. The democrats are the party of the disadvantaged. The agenda of progressiveism is to promote the disadvantaged and demote the advantaged privileged et al.
By that logic, promoting the disadvantaged is counter productive for Democrats. Which is why their policies are deliberately intended to keep the disadvantaged where they are at while making them more comfortable with it. Look at any democrat-led city/state and tell me their residents are better off as a result of Democratic policies. For democrats to succeed, there needs to be a oppressed and oppressor class. So if there are none, they will create it.
 
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By that logic, promoting the disadvantaged is counter productive for Democrats. Which is why their policies are deliberately intended to keep the disadvantaged where they are at while making them more comfortable with it. Look at any democrat-led city/state and tell me their residents are better off as a result of Democratic policies. For democrats to succeed, there needs to be a oppressed and oppressor class. So if there are none, they will create it.
I live in a Dem-run city in a Dem-run state. Most of my family members live in Dem-run cities and states. I am confident that we are all better off living in Dem-run jurisdictions. I see who the Republicans put forward as candidates in the local elections in my city and, even by our already-eyebrow-raising standards, they're clowns. Our Republicans at the state level (e.g. Larry Hogan) tend to be far less clownish, but they still tend to favor the suburbs and look down on the city. IME, Republican policies seem to do okay when there aren't a lot of challenges, when everybody in a jurisdiction is already okay on their own and doesn't need much help, but when things get challenging and/or there needs to be a lot of oversight due to competing interests, Republican philosophies fall apart. I look across the country and don't see any deeply red areas blowing me away with their successes. Parts of Alabama are doing okay, and Texas built itself up on extraction industries and military/government facilities, but mostly, I see the deep south and appalachia still plagued by deep poverty. Urban areas of red states tend to do better than less-urban areas, but they're also starting to see the same housing affordability problems that coastal blue states have experienced. I grew up in a red part of upstate NY and while it's got its problems, I firmly believe that without the libs in Albany running things, most of NY would just be Mississippi with snow.
 
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