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Elon Musk implores Americans to vote for Trump to save democracy

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Donning an all-black MAGA cap, billionaire entrepreneur Elon Musk implored Americans watching his speech at Donald Trump’s rally in Butler, Pennsylvania, Saturday to get everyone they know registered to vote for the former president, warning that if they don’t, “this will be the last election.”

“This is a must-win situation,” Musk declared at the Butler Farm Show grounds, the site of the first assassination attempt on Trump’s life.

Musk said he decided to support Trumpafter seeing his response to nearly being killed.

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What is happening in American politics at the moment. Its strange and unprecedented. It has become a matter of democracy itself and not the usual elections where policy is the issue and democracy is taken as a given.

But in saying that it seems Europe and Britain are going through similar. Theres a divide within these nations and its become more extreme even to the point of violence and assassination attempts.

I was researching this and found several commentators suggesting that the US is becoming similar to how Ireland was pre the IRA problem between Catholics and Protestants.

Not sure if different religious beliefs is the reason. But there seems to be deep ideological differences that are becoming just as extreme. I have never seen it so serious as a matter of freedom and democracy itself. Where even those with a high public profile are coming out on either side. Like politics has literally entered our private lives.

Which tells me its become more than politics, but also about belief itself about how the world is ordered. How reality itself is ordered.
 
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What is happening in American politics at the moment. Its strange and unprecedented. It has become a matter of democracy itself and not the usual elections where policy is the issue and democracy is taken as a given.

But in saying that it seems Europe and Britain are going through similar. Theres a divide within these nations and its become more extreme even to the point of violence and assassination attempts.

I was researching this and found several commentators suggesting that the US is becoming similar to how Ireland was pre the IRA problem between Catholics and Protestants.

Not sure if different religious beliefs is the reason. But there seems to be deep ideological differences that are becoming just as extreme. I have never seen it so serious as a matter of freedom and democracy itself. Where even those with a high public profile are coming out on either side. Like politics has literally entered our private lives.

Which tells me its become more than politics, but also about belief itself about how the world is ordered. How reality itself is ordered.
Just my opinion, but I see it as a battle between good and evil, yes I did say that. One side wants preserve this nation and its freedoms as founded and one side wants change everything they have not already changed. We are becoming more like Europe and that is not a good thing. Liberalism as promoted by many politicians will only lead to the loss of freedoms and rights guaranteed by our constitution and bill of rights.Both sides claim democracy is at stake but only one side is on the right side of that issue.


Any eyes wide open person who truly looks at the facts should be able to discern which side that is, but liberal propaganda seems to have consumed way to much of our population. Trump is the only one running for President who has a shot at making this country great again.Kamala is an empty suit puppet of the left which would result in ruin for this country if elected. Just consider she is running for President without having received one primary vote. That is not democracy and she will not protect democracy and freedom.
 
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Just my opinion, but I see it as a battle between good and evil, yes I did say that. One side wants preserve this nation and its freedoms as founded and one side wants change everything they have not already changed. We are becoming more like Europe and that is not a good thing. Liberalism as promoted by many politicians will only lead to the loss of freedoms and rights guaranteed by our constitution and bill of rights.Both sides claim democracy is at stake but only one side is on the right side of that issue. Any eyes wide open person who truly looks at the facts should be able to discern which side that is, but liberal propaganda seems to have consumed way to much of our population. Trump is the only one running for President who has a shot at making this country great again.Kamala is an empty suit puppet of the left which would result in ruin for this country if elected. Just consider she is running for President without having received one primary vote. That is not democracy and she will not protect democracy and freedom.
I truly believe the only "freedom" the former president is running on is keeping himself out of jail, preferably without spending another $100 million and manipulating more judges to do so.

The most trusted military generals in our country have called him dangerous and a fascist. His former chief of staff John Kelly is heard on record talking about his admiration of Hitler who he believed did "some good things."

He doesn't accept democratically held elections. He says he wants to be a dictator and that this will be the last time his supporters have to vote. He calls liberals the enemy and wants to throw them in jail and deport all the immigrants.

You call this freedom?
 
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I truly believe the only "freedom" the former president is running on is keeping himself out of jail, preferably without spending another $100 million and manipulating more judges to do so.

The most trusted military generals in our country have called him dangerous and a fascist. His former chief of staff John Kelly is heard on record talking about his admiration of Hitler who he believed did "some good things."

He doesn't accept democratically held elections. He says he wants to be a dictator and that this will be the last time his supporters have to vote. He calls liberals the enemy and wants to throw them in jail and deport all the immigrants.

You call this freedom?
This is just proof of how much liberal propaganda has infected this nation! IMO your post shows no understanding of what true freedom is or the reality we live in. We will never agree!
 
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When Kamala Harris wins, you can kiss the nation good-bye.

As long as society follows man-made laws instead of God's, it will collapse as we
see it happening around us.

I believe Harris will win the women's vote merely because she'll be the first woman
president. Without the women's vote, Trump can not win.

Lord, I hope I'm wrong!
 
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When Kamala Harris wins, you can kiss the nation good-bye.

As long as society follows man-made laws instead of God's, it will collapse as we
see it happening around us.

I believe Harris will win the women's vote merely because she'll be the first woman
president. Without the women's vote, Trump can not win.

Lord, I hope I'm wrong!

There's conservative women and with all the migrants we might have more of the suburbs in some areas than we imagine.

When women stop being safe and they can't escape it they will vote for law and order, and the economy is felt by women the most (at least in my house since I do all the money and shopping)..
 
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Just my opinion, but I see it as a battle between good and evil, yes I did say that.
Yeah I said that earlier maybe in another thread. Fundementally it is a spiritual battle, an ideological battle about what is truth and reality and how we should order humans and society. One is about humans being the gods of our own lives and the other about putting God above all. Progressive ideology has gradually moved away from God.
One side wants preserve this nation and its freedoms as founded and one side wants change everything they have not already changed.
It seems a contradiction that progressives who champion DEI would be all for freedoms, allowing everyone to be free regardless of race and gender and a bunch of other identities. But thats the contradiction of the ideology and its incoherence. It shoots itself in the foot.

By viewing the world through identity groups humans are divided and pitted against each other based on different worth attached to identity. Its like a self fulling prophesy. By making everything about identity such as race and gender the identities become all that is important. But that is unreal and bound to clash and cause chaos.

What ends up happening is society becomes less free and bound up in a ever increasing list of do's and dont's. What some call PC or Woke.

Whereas as you mentioned the fundemental freedoms we built free nations on was the idea of humans being made in Gods image with dignity, worth and natural inalienable rights like freedom of volition regardless of race, religion and gender ect. So identity woke politics actually denies our volition by reducing us to the sum of our identities. Thus binding us in our identities and losing the true self and individual worth.
We are becoming more like Europe and that is not a good thing. Liberalism as promoted by many politicians will only lead to the loss of freedoms and rights guaranteed by our constitution and bill of rights. Both sides claim democracy is at stake but only one side is on the right side of that issue.
Europe is a hotpot of many cultures. But you are right that fundementally the same thing seems to be happening across many nations. I think more within Christian nations. The Islamist conflicts are for different reasons but have similarities in that theres a movement to topple governments and take power based on opposing ideology.

The climate has become heated on both sides. It seems the insistence of PC woke ideology and CC has caused an equal and opposite reaction where extreme Right wing ideology is being pushed back. Its a powder keg all over the world. If its not the middle east its within our own nations.

I remember the west use to look from afar at such terror and violence overseas. Now its growing on our doorsteps. A perfect storm of discontent. Nothing to unite us.
Any eyes wide open person who truly looks at the facts should be able to discern which side that is, but liberal propaganda seems to have consumed way to much of our population. Trump is the only one running for President who has a shot at making this country great again.Kamala is an empty suit puppet of the left which would result in ruin for this country if elected. Just consider she is running for President without having received one primary vote. That is not democracy and she will not protect democracy and freedom.
Yes I think many are waking up to the incohrence of Leftist ideology. Whether its too late for this round we will have to wait and see. Its strange that they go with an even more radical Leftist in Harris rather than a true moderate.

I think the minders and elites worked out that it was too late to vet anyone and just went with Harris. The problem is that she was a political appointment in the first place so not vetting her compounded the deception. It meant that a highly unqualified and deserving candidate got the job over someone more qualified and deserving.

Now their running around trying to plug the holes in the leaking ship.

I think Trump despite not being the ideal candidate is closer to protecting the basic freedoms and truths that made the west free.

Its a strange and interesting time in world politics. It now seems that its more than just politics but a clash of worldviews that is at stake. I think covid contributed to the mindset, the anxiety which makes it more personal. But playing identity politics has evolved into the metaphyical and society and the world is having breakdown and developing a identity disorder lol.
 
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