Ellen White: William Miller's message of Jesus coming in 1843 was "heavenly".

[ViaCrucis]

I will not answer every one of your posts. I will give one answer that pretty much should satisfy your overall theme.

In the middle of His discourse to His disciples on end time events Jesus stops and tells two parables, The parable of the 10 virgins and the parable of the talents. Why?



To what purpose did Jesus tell this? And what does it mean that 5 of the virgins took enough oil to last and 5 didn't? This obviously takes place before the second coming as when Jesus comes the second time He comes with everu man's reward. Why does He tell the 5 foolish virgins He doesn't know them? God's church is a;ways referred to as a virgin in prophecy so these 10 virgins were obviously His followers. Oil is represented as the HS.



So 5 virgins had enough of the HS to be represented as wise and the rest did not. The 5 foolish virgins were locked out of heaven as Jesus told them He didn't know them.



So not knowing God, personally, is fatal to our chances of heaven. This is where righteousness by faith comes in.

This parable is the explanation of the investigative judgement now going on in heaven. No other explanation fits.

As to the missed time every denomination at that time believed the sanctuary was the earth. And how many prophet understood everything about their visions and dreams? None that I know of besides Jesus.

Nope.

Read all of Jesus' teachings here in the Olivet Discourse. The repeated refrain in the parables Jesus gives is being a faithful servant.

The foolish virgins, like the unfaithful servant, squandered what they had been given. To keep watch, to be vigilant, is to be doing the work which the Master entrusted to the Church.

This is why, when the King comes and separates those on His right and His left, He says, "I was hungry ... I was thirsty ... I was naked" There are those who fed the hungry and gave drink to the thirsty, and those who did not. And the King will say to those on His right "and you gave Me food" and those on His left, "You did not feed Me" for whatever we did or did not do to "the least of these" is how we treated Jesus Christ Himself.

No investigative judgment--there's siimply no justification for that interpretation. What Jesus is talking about is very clear,

"Who then is the faithful and wise servant, whom his master has set over his household, to give them their food at the proper time? Blessed is that servant whom his master will find so doing when he comes. Truly, I say to you, he will set him over all his possessions. But if that wicked servant says to himself, 'My master is delayed,' and begins to beat his fellow servants and eats and drinks with drunkards, the master of that servant will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he does not know and will cut him to pieces and put him with the hypocrites, in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Then the kingdom of heaven will be like ten virgins who took their lamps and went to meet the bridegroom. Five of them were foolish, and five were wise. For when the foolish took their lamps they took no oil with them, but the wise took flasks of oil with their lamps. As the bridegroom was delayed, they all became drowsy and slept. But at midnight there was a cry, 'Here is the bridegroom! Come out to meet him.' Then all those virgins rose and trimmed their lamps. And the foolish said to the wise, 'Give us some of your oil, for our lamps are going out.' But the wise answered, saying, 'Since there will not be enough oil for us and for you, go rather to the dealers and buy for yourselves.' And while they were going to buy, the bridegroom came, and those who were ready went in with him to the marriage feast, and the door was shut. Afterward the other virgins came also, saying, 'Lord, lord, open to us.' But he answered, 'Truly, I say to you, I do not know you.' Watch therefore, for you do not know neither the day nor the hour." - Matthew 24:45-51 - Matthew 25:1-13

- CryptoLutheran

 

[tall73]

She also said the Palm Sunday proclamation by Christ's followers that He was about take His throne as king of the Jews -- was of God ... when in fact He was coming to be crucified.

Jesus was about to take His throne as King of the Jews. The disciples gave a correct message:

Mark 11:9-10 9 Then those who went before and those who followed cried out, saying:
“Hosanna!
Blessed is He who comes in the name of the LORD!’
10 Blessed is the kingdom of our father David
That comes in the name of the Lord!
Hosanna in the highest!” (NKJV)

John indicates that the disciples did not realize at the time what they had done, but that the message was a fulfillment, and was true:

John 12:12-16 12 The next day a great multitude that had come to the feast, when they heard that Jesus was coming to Jerusalem, 13 took branches of palm trees and went out to meet Him, and cried out:
“Hosanna!
Blessed is He who comes in the name of the LORD!’
The King of Israel!”
14 Then Jesus, when He had found a young donkey, sat on it; as it is written:
15 “Fear not, daughter of Zion;
Behold, your King is coming,
Sitting on a donkey’s colt.”
16 His disciples did not understand these things at first; but when Jesus was glorified, then they remembered that these things were written about Him and that they had done these things to Him. (NKJV)


The disciples did indeed recognize that Jesus, the Christ, is Lord of all ,and reigns from His throne, ascending to the right hand of God following His resurrection:

Acts 10:34 Then Peter opened his mouth and said: “In truth I perceive that God shows no partiality. 35 But in every nation whoever fears Him and works righteousness is accepted by Him. 36 The word which God sent to the [l]children of Israel, preaching peace through Jesus Christ—He is Lord of all— 37 that word you know, which was proclaimed throughout all Judea, and began from Galilee after the baptism which John preached: 38 how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and with power, who went about doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil, for God was with Him.

Jesus is the Christ, and is Lord of all.

Acts 2:30 Therefore, being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him that of the fruit of his body, according to the flesh, He would raise up the Christ to sit on his throne, 31 he, foreseeing this, spoke concerning the resurrection of the Christ, that His soul was not left in Hades, nor did His flesh see corruption. 32 This Jesus God has raised up, of which we are all witnesses. 33 Therefore being exalted [j]to the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, He poured out this which you now see and hear.

34 “For David did not ascend into the heavens, but he says himself:

‘The Lord said to my Lord,
“Sit at My right hand,
35 Till I make Your enemies Your footstool.” ’

36 “Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly that God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ.”

The message the disciples gave was true. It was predicted in the OT, and fulfilled.

The message of William Miller, on the other hand, that Jesus was coming in 1843, was a false message. And it contradicted the words of Jesus, and the Scriptures:

Matthew 24:4 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.
Matthew 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
I Thessalonians 5:1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you. 2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.

 

[tall73]

Early Writings--by Ellen G. White Page 74

I have seen that the 1843 chart was directed by the hand of the Lord, and that it should not be altered; that the figures were as He wanted them; that His hand was over and hid a mistake in some of the figures, so that none could see it, until His hand was removed.​

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Here is the chart referenced, which points to 1843 as the resurrection spoken of in Daniel. Ellen White says that God wanted this chart, which is clearly portraying a wrong prophecy, to read just as it does.

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https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a1/Millerite_1843_chart_2.jpg

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[tall73]

Additional evidence regarding Miller's message being about Jesus coming in 1843, which was a wrong-date-setting message, which went against the words of Jesus.

Views of the Prophecies and Prophetic Chronology

books.google.com

Page 35

I understand that the judgment day will be a thousand years long. The righteous are raised and judged in the commencement of that day, the wicked in the end of that day. I believe that the saints will be raised and judged about the year 1843​

 

[BobRyan]

Early Writings--by Ellen G. White Page 74

I have seen that the 1843 chart was directed by the hand of the Lord, and that it should not be altered; that the figures were as He wanted them; that His hand was over and hid a mistake in some of the figures, so that none could see it, until His hand was removed.​

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Here is the chart referenced, which points to 1843 ..

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Indeed it did have a mistake or two on it...

But God directed in its creation just as God directed the disciples on palm Sunday - to hail Christ as the coming King to Jerusalem...

In that chart we have
1. Day for a year principle (just as we see with almost all Protestant reformers)
2. The correct statement that the 2300 evenings and mornings in Dan 8 were 2300 prophetic days - day-for-year
3. Appeal to the day for year fact in Dan 9 where the 70 weeks are 490 prophetic days -- so then 490 years .. predicting the first coming of Christ
4. the interpretation of the beasts in Dan 7 and 8 as being representatives of nations and at one point, of the rise of a certain Christian denomination as the 11th horn in the diagram

 

[BobRyan]

Page 35

I understand that the judgment day will be a thousand years long. The righteous are raised and judged in the commencement of that day, the wicked in the end of that day. I believe that the saints will be raised and judged about the year 1843​

No wonder we still say about the saints raised at the start of the millennium (Rapture) and then sit in judgment over the wicked for 1000 years... then the wicked are raised at the end of that literal 1000 years to experience the great white throne judgment and lake of fire in Rev 21.

 

[BobRyan]

Jesus was about to take His throne as King of the Jews. The disciples gave a correct message:

Mark 11:9-10 9 Then those who went before and those who followed cried out, saying:
“Hosanna!
Blessed is He who comes in the name of the LORD!’
10 Blessed is the kingdom of our father David
That comes in the name of the Lord!
Hosanna in the highest!” (NKJV)

Jesus was about to be crucified in that triumphal entry of Matt 21.

In Matt 16 Jesus predicted his condemnation by the priests and crucifixion and resurrection.

But still on the Matt 21 - palm Sunday (directed by God) the disciples mistakenly thought the Matt 16 message of Christ was not what was about to happen.

John indicates that the disciples did not realize at the time what they had done, but that the message was a fulfillment, and was true:

Indeed Jesus was king - but the Jews rejected Him.

"He came to His own - and His own received Him not" John 1:11

John 12:12-16 12 The next day a great multitude that had come to the feast, when they heard that Jesus was coming to Jerusalem, 13 took branches of palm trees and went out to meet Him, and cried out:
“Hosanna!
Blessed is He who comes in the name of the LORD!’
The King of Israel!”
14 Then Jesus, when He had found a young donkey, sat on it; as it is written:
15 “Fear not, daughter of Zion;
Behold, your King is coming,
Sitting on a donkey’s colt.”
16 His disciples did not understand these things at first; but when Jesus was glorified, then they remembered that these things were written about Him and that they had done these things to Him. (NKJV)

yep. Even though He told them BEFORE that time - as Matt 16 states that He would go to Jerusalem , be condemned and crucified and then rise the third day.
The timing for His take-over of earth is what they thought they were seeing in Matt 21 and John 12. In Acts 1 they keep asking if "NOW is the time" for that big event -- and once again are told that they have that part wrong.

 

[tall73]

Jesus was about to be crucified in that triumphal entry of Matt 21.

In Matt 16 Jesus predicted his condemnation by the priests and crucifixion and resurrection.

But still on the Matt 21 - palm Sunday (directed by God) the disciples mistakenly thought the Matt 16 message of Christ was not what was about to happen.

Indeed Jesus was king - but the Jews rejected Him.

"He came to His own - and His own received Him not" John 1:11

yep. Even though He told them BEFORE that time - as Matt 16 states that He would go to Jerusalem , be condemned and crucified and then rise the third day.
The timing for His take-over of earth is what they thought they were seeing in Matt 21 and John 12. In Acts 1 they keep asking if "NOW is the time" for that big event -- and once again are told that they have that part wrong.

The message the disciples actually GAVE was correct.

Jesus is King:

Acts 2:30 Therefore, being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him that of the fruit of his body, according to the flesh, He would raise up the Christ to sit on his throne​

The message Miller gave was totally incorrect. Jesus did not come in 1843

And Miller's message should never have been given, because it went against Scripture:

Matthew 24:4 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.​

Matthew 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.​

I Thessalonians 5:1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you. 2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.​

 

[tall73]

Jesus was about to be crucified in that triumphal entry of Matt 21.

In Matt 16 Jesus predicted his condemnation by the priests and crucifixion and resurrection.

Yes, both Jesus' message before, and the disciples' message on Palm Sunday were true.

• He was crucified.
• He was coming as King in peace on the foal of a donkey, bringing salvation.

And if they had been silent, even the rocks would have cried out the same true message.

Indeed Jesus was king - but the Jews rejected Him.
"He came to His own - and His own received Him not" John 1:11

Yet God chose the Stone the builders rejected. And He is reigning as Christ, and King over all.

Ephesians 1: 20 which He worked in Christ when He raised Him from the dead and seated Him at His right hand in the heavenly places, 21 far above all principality and power and might and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this age but also in that which is to come.​

22 And He put all things under His feet, and gave Him to be head over all things to the church, 23 which is His body, the fullness of Him who fills all in all. (NKJV)​

The timing for His take-over of earth is what they thought they were seeing in Matt 21 and John 12. In Acts 1 they keep asking if "NOW is the time" for that big event -- and once again are told that they have that part wrong.

Keep reading to chapter 2 and you will see they had given a true message, despite whatever expectations they had. Peter, now filled with the Spirit, saw that God brought about His will, as He had announced:

Acts 2:30 Therefore, being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him that of the fruit of his body, according to the flesh, He would raise up the Christ to sit on his throne​

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God's plan was accomplished, and their message was true.

John says they got their message right on Palm Sunday, despite whatever expectations they had, and fulfilled Scripture:

John 12:12-16 12 The next day a great multitude that had come to the feast, when they heard that Jesus was coming to Jerusalem, 13 took branches of palm trees and went out to meet Him, and cried out:​

“Hosanna!​

Blessed is He who comes in the name of the LORD!’​

The King of Israel!”​

14 Then Jesus, when He had found a young donkey, sat on it; as it is written:​

15 “Fear not, daughter of Zion;​

Behold, your King is coming,​

Sitting on a donkey’s colt.”​

16 His disciples did not understand these things at first; but when Jesus was glorified, then they remembered that these things were written about Him and that they had done these things to Him. (NKJV)​

Meanwhile, Miller got his message--that Jesus was coming to cleanse the earth with fire around 1843--quite wrong,. And his whole message was a contradiction of the words of Scripture:

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Matthew 24:4 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.​

Matthew 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.​

I Thessalonians 5:1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you. 2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.​

 

[BobRyan]

Jesus was about to be crucified in that triumphal entry of Matt 21.

In Matt 16 Jesus predicted his condemnation by the priests and crucifixion and resurrection.

Yes, both Jesus' message before, and the disciples' message on Palm Sunday were true.

• He was crucified.
• He was coming as King in peace on the foal of a donkey, bringing salvation.

And if they had been silent, even the rocks would have cried out the same true message.

Indeed but as we see in Luke 24 any discussion with the disciples in Matt 21 would have revealed the Luke 24 fact that they thought he was supposed to be some kind of warrior king to deliver Israel rather than being condemned as a criminal and killed.

Yet God chose the Stone the builders rejected. And He is reigning as Christ, and King over all.

Amen. And of course the literal visible coming of Christ that Millerites predicted -- will happen as well ... just not when they expected.

Meanwhile, Miller got his message--that Jesus was coming to cleanse the earth with fire

Is exactly what we see in 2 Peter 3

5 For when they maintain this, it escapes their notice that by the word of God the heavens existed long ago and the earth was formed out of water and by water, 6 through which the world at that time was destroyed by being flooded with water. 7 But by His word the present heavens and earth are being reserved for fire, kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly people.

Millerite charts did point to the coming of Christ but did not go into much detail after that.

around 1843--quite wrong,.

yep their end point and end-event were wrong.

Matt 21 they predicted that the event would be Christ as warrior king - taking charge. Luke 24 they tell us exactly what that meant and how sad they were that it did not happen.

 

[tall73]

Indeed but as we see in Luke 24 any discussion with the disciples in Matt 21 would have revealed the Luke 24 fact that they thought he was supposed to be some kind of warrior king to deliver Israel rather than being condemned as a criminal and killed.

Reading of the text would show that they did what God intended, and gave a right message, despite not understanding it. John makes that plain.

So your contention that this is parallel to Miller is false.

They gave a right message. They gave a true message. And they gave the message God intended.

Miller gave a false message that contradicted Scripture.

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Matthew 24:4 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.​

Matthew 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.​

I Thessalonians 5:1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you. 2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.​

Amen. And of course the literal visible coming of Christ that Millerites predicted -- will happen as well ... just not when they expected.

The message the disciples gave came true, as God intended, when He planned. Their expectations didn't interfere with God's true message.

The message that Miller gave was false because the timing was the message. And that went against Scripture:

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Matthew 24:4 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.​

Matthew 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.​

I Thessalonians 5:1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you. 2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.​

Matt 21 they predicted that the event would be Christ as warrior king - taking charge.

Matthew 21 doesn't say that:

Matthew 21:4-9 4 All this was done that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying:​

5 “Tell the daughter of Zion,​

‘Behold, your King is coming to you,​

Lowly, and sitting on a donkey,​

A colt, the foal of a donkey.’ ”​

6 So the disciples went and did as Jesus commanded them. 7 They brought the donkey and the colt, laid their clothes on them, and set Him on them. 8 And a very great multitude spread their clothes on the road; others cut down branches from the trees and spread them on the road. 9 Then the multitudes who went before and those who followed cried out, saying:​

“Hosanna to the Son of David!​

Blessed is He who comes in the name of the LORD!’​

Hosanna in the highest!” (NKJV)​

• Jesus did come as their King
• Jesus came lowly on a donkey
• Jesus is the Son of David
• Jesus came in the name of the Lord

And of course, Jesus reigns over all.

It was a true message given.

Luke 24 they tell us exactly what that meant and how sad they were that it did not happen.

Luke 24 tells us their expectations.

John tells us that they gave a true message, and did what God intended, despite whatever expectations they had, and that they fulfilled Scripture:

John 12:16 His disciples did not understand these things at first; but when Jesus was glorified, then they remembered that these things were written about Him and that they had done these things to Him. (NKJV)​

But Miller had both false expectations, and a false message. And the message should have never been given, because it went against plain Scripture, as many pointed out, repeatedly in his own day:

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Matthew 24:4 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.​

Matthew 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.​

I Thessalonians 5:1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you. 2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.​

 

[BobRyan]

Reading of the text would show that they did what God intended

Indeed and Adventists claim that Millerites gave the message that God intended but that they had some details wrong all the same.

In Matt 21 and Luke 24 - the disciples were speaking of a warrior king that was coming to free Israel and set things straight -- even though in Matt 16 Jesus said clearly that it was to be condemned by the Jewish leaders , crucified and then resurrect the third day.

So your contention that this is parallel to Miller is false.

You have free will and do not need to pay attention to the details that I post in my argument if you do not wish to.

 

[tall73]

Indeed and Adventists claim that Millerites gave the message that God intended but that they had some details wrong all the same.

Ellen White claims that God gave Miller his false, date-setting message that went against the words of Scripture. And she says that God judged those who rejected that false, date setting, Bible contradicting message.

And of course, we follow Scripture instead of Ellen White endorsing a failed prophet.

In Matt 21

Just quoted, and they did not say that.

and Luke 24 - the disciples were speaking of a warrior king that was coming to free Israel and set things straight -- even though in Matt 16 Jesus said clearly that it was to be condemned by the Jewish leaders , crucified and then resurrect the third day.

Luke 24 speaks of their wrong notions. Matthew 21 and John 12 show their true message.

So again, your parallel--which is not really yours, but Ellen White's--is false.

You have free will and do not need to pay attention to the details that I post in my argument if you do not wish to.

I paid attention to the details Bob. I even posted the text you cited, Matthew 21, and showed it did not match what you claim, was a true message, and agreed with John 12, where John says they fulfilled Scripture.

I also paid attention to the detail that people over and over told Miller his view contradicted Scripture. If only he had paid attention to that, and if only Ellen White, etc. had not endorsed his false, date-setting, Bible contradicting message, even after it had failed, we wouldn't need to be looking at these facts again.

They heard these Scriptures over and over, by their own testimony:

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Matthew 24:4 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.​

Matthew 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.​

I Thessalonians 5:1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you. 2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.​

 

[tall73]

Indeed and Adventists claim that Millerites gave the message that God intended

Yes Bob, Adventists claim that God intended a false date-setting prophecy that went against the words of Jesus, and Scripture:

Naturally, no one else believes that, nor in the end did Miller himself.

Matthew 24:4 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.​

Matthew 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.​

I Thessalonians 5:1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you. 2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.​

 

[RileyG]

No wonder we still say about the saints raised at the start of the millennium (Rapture) and then sit in judgment over the wicked for 1000 years... then the wicked are raised at the end of that literal 1000 years to experience the great white throne judgment and lake of fire in Rev 21.

I thought the SDA believed in extinction of the soul rather than suffering hell/lake of fire?

Maybe I'm confusing them with the JW's.

 

[tall73]

I thought the SDA believed in extinction of the soul rather than suffering hell/lake of fire?

Maybe I'm confusing them with the JW's.

Yes, they are not the same on that point.

Adventists believe the wicked will suffer in the lake of fire, though they see them, after an amount of time related to the severity of their sin, eventually destroyed.

 

[RileyG]

Yes, they are not the same on that point.

Adventists believe the wicked will suffer in the lake of fire, though they see them, after an amount of time related to the severity of their sin, eventually destroyed.

Ah, thanks for clarifying.

 

[BobRyan]

I thought the SDA believed in extinction of the soul rather than suffering hell/lake of fire?

Maybe I'm confusing them with the JW's.

No we believe the Matt 10:28-29 text as follows

28 And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. But rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

So then the "sleep" state described in John 11 for Lazarus and in 1 Thess 4:13-18 and in various other texts OT and NT - is the view we have .

That which "sleeps" or is "Dormant" -- still exists.

1 Thess 4:13-18
13 But I do not want you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning those who have fallen asleep, lest you sorrow as others who have no hope. 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus.
15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. 18 Therefore comfort one another with these words.

When Adventists argue about the details -- they talk about objecting to the "continued conscious state" after death.

“Death is not complete annihilation; it is only a state of temporary unconsciousness while the person awaits the resurrection. The Bible repeatedly calls this intermediate state a sleep….The soul has no conscious existence apart from the body, and no Scripture indicates that at death the soul survives as a conscious entity.”
—Ministerial Association, General Conference of Seventh-day Adventists 1

1 Seventh-Day Adventists Believe …A Biblical Exposition of Fundamental Doctrines, 2nd ed. (Silver Spring, MD: Ministerial Association of the General Conference of Seventh-Day Adventists, 2005), 390–91.

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28 Fundamental Beliefs of Seventh-day Adventists. File: gc28.htm

Seventh-day Adventists Believe. A Biblical Exposition of 27 Fundamental Doctrines.

www.sdanet.org

Of the 28 fundamental beliefs - number 24 says this --

24. Christ's Ministry in the Heavenly Sanctuary:
... The investigative judgment reveals to heavenly intelligences who among the dead are asleep in Christ ... (Heb. 8:1-5; 4:14-16; 9:11-28; 10:19-22; 1:3; 2:16, 17; Dan. 7:9-27; 8:13, 14; 9:24-27; Num. 14:34; Eze. 4:6; Lev. 16; Rev. 14:6, 7; 20:12; 14:12; 22:12.)

 

[BobRyan]

Yes Bob, Adventists claim that God intended a false date-setting prophecy

We say God intended that the disciples proclaim Jesus as the conquering warrior king on Palm Sunday even though they would be crushed to find out that He was going to Jerusalem to be condemned and die just as Christ explicitly told them in Matt 16 - but they rejected it.

No wonder in Luke 24 His disciples declared their crushed failed hopes - as though all had failed.

that went against the words of Jesus, and Scripture:

yes the disciples in Luke 24 were going against Jesus' Matt 16 - explicit statement ... sadly they were dissappointed until they finally figured out the details.

Naturally, no one else believes that

Indeed the Jews did not believe the resurrection story - for the most part.

Good thing the Adventist church mushroomed into the what ChrsitianityToday calls the 5th largest and fastest growing Christian denomination in the world by 2015 -- and now is at over 22 million.

Good thing (also) that I have actual facts that you typically do not include in your snippet posts.

 

[RileyG]

No we believe the Matt 10:28-29 text as follows

28 And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. But rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

So then the "sleep" state described in John 11 for Lazarus and in 1 Thess 4:13-18 and in various other texts OT and NT - is the view we have .

That which "sleeps" or is "Dormant" -- still exists.

1 Thess 4:13-18
13 But I do not want you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning those who have fallen asleep, lest you sorrow as others who have no hope. 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus.
15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. 18 Therefore comfort one another with these words.

When Adventists argue about the details -- they talk about objecting to the "continued conscious state" after death.



1 Seventh-Day Adventists Believe …A Biblical Exposition of Fundamental Doctrines, 2nd ed. (Silver Spring, MD: Ministerial Association of the General Conference of Seventh-Day Adventists, 2005), 390–91.

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28 Fundamental Beliefs of Seventh-day Adventists. File: gc28.htm

Seventh-day Adventists Believe. A Biblical Exposition of 27 Fundamental Doctrines.

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Of the 28 fundamental beliefs - number 24 says this --

24. Christ's Ministry in the Heavenly Sanctuary:
... The investigative judgment reveals to heavenly intelligences who among the dead are asleep in Christ ... (Heb. 8:1-5; 4:14-16; 9:11-28; 10:19-22; 1:3; 2:16, 17; Dan. 7:9-27; 8:13, 14; 9:24-27; Num. 14:34; Eze. 4:6; Lev. 16; Rev. 14:6, 7; 20:12; 14:12; 22:12.)

Thanks for clarifying.