Ellen White on the Sabbath

[bugkiller]

Paul is quoted over and over again as doing away with the Law of God. Paul is not God. Paul did not write the 10 Commandments in stone, God did. Therefore, God is the only One who can do away with the 10 Commandments. Even Rome says the Law of God is still binding on all Christians, so why then do you have a problem with keeping the 7th day holy?

Are the quotes of Paul incorrect? If so please show how. Remember quotes from the Bible are said to inspired from God.

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I know. I keep hoping the sharp sword of the Spirit will pierce the darkness.

I believe the sharp sword of the Spirit is doing its work as we continue to present it.

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I reckon SDAs worry way more about the 7th day than they worry about just about anything else.

True and Amen!

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[MoreCoffee]

If you do not see, you have nothing to worry about. I am reminded of Cain, bring what he fell like to God and then vex because God refused his offering.

If saying to God I give you what I would and not what you require is not a problem for you than it can not be for God.

So, you contend that if I rest on Sunday I am doomed?

By the way, if you took the trouble to read each of my questions you ought to see that I said nothing whatsoever about working on Saturday.

 

[Holy Ghost Poster]

No. It seems so because that is the only command that offend others or that they object to. All the others are OK.

The 4th Cmdt. is the most important one. It commemorates the fact that Jesus created and made His Kingdom, The Father was the overseer beginning on the first day. It also contains the Seal of Authority, ie., God, Creator, Heaven and Earth. It states that one shall "remember" that Cmdt. As a matter of fact, the first word is "Remember". No other Cmdt. has "remember". Review Jhn 14: 15; 15: 10; Eccl 12: 13, 14; 1 Jhn 3: 24; and Rev 22: 14; especially review this one : Isaiah 66: 23: it is the only Cmdt. that will be kept in Heaven ! Halleluyah, Amen.

 

[MoreCoffee]

The 4th Cmdt. is the most important one. It commemorates the fact that Jesus created and made His Kingdom, The Father was the overseer beginning on the first day. It also contains the Seal of Authority, ie., God, Creator, Heaven and Earth. It states that one shall "remember" that Cmdt. As a matter of fact, the first word is "Remember". No other Cmdt. has "remember". Review Jhn 14: 15; 15: 10; Eccl 12: 13, 14; 1 Jhn 3: 24; and Rev 22: 14; especially review this one : Isaiah 66: 23: it is the only Cmdt. that will be kept in Heaven ! Halleluyah, Amen.

One could reason that the commandment "honour your father and your mother" is the most important because its first word is honour and it commands that both one's father and mother be honoured and it is the first commandment with a promise "that your days in the land may be long" so obviously it is more important than that commandment with a mere "remember" at the beginning!

 

[bbbbbbb]

Just as well as you.

What a pecular answer! You don't even know me. All you know is that I have no compunction to observe a Saturday Sabbath. Surely you must think you are better than me, at least in that regard.

The reality for myself is that I agree with Paul in Romans 7:14-25. When I come remotely close to loving my neighbor as myself I will then face the overwhelming challenge of loving God with all my heart, soul, and mind.

 

[mmksparbud]

Romans 7:22-25 "For I delight in the law of God, after the inward man: but I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. O wretched man, that I am! Who shall deliver me from the body of this death? I thank God, through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God: but with the flesh the law of sin."

Why can't I say "Isn't it obvious?"---Sounds pretty cut clear to me, but I'm sure you can enlighten my clouded brain with your interpretation.

 

[Elder 111]

So, you contend that if I rest on Sunday I am doomed?

By the way, if you took the trouble to read each of my questions you ought to see that I said nothing whatsoever about working on Saturday.

So why not Give God His time? He requires it not SDAS's or anyone else for that matter, just God.

 

[MoreCoffee]

So why not Give God His time? He requires it not SDAS's or anyone else for that matter, just God.

God does not require it, SDAs urge it upon others.

 

[Elder 111]

Originally Posted by Holy Ghost Poster

The 4th Cmdt. is the most important one. It commemorates the fact that Jesus created and made His Kingdom, The Father was the overseer beginning on the first day. It also contains the Seal of Authority, ie., God, Creator, Heaven and Earth. It states that one shall "remember" that Cmdt. As a matter of fact, the first word is "Remember". No other Cmdt. has "remember". Review Jhn 14: 15; 15: 10; Eccl 12: 13, 14; 1 Jhn 3: 24; and Rev 22: 14; especially review this one : Isaiah 66: 23: it is the only Cmdt. that will be kept in Heaven ! Halleluyah, Amen.
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One could reason that the commandment "honour your father and your mother" is the most important because its first word is honour and it commands that both one's father and mother be honoured and it is the first commandment with a promise "that your days in the land may be long" so obviously it is more important than that commandment with a mere "remember" at the beginning!

What is of note is that God knew that the 4th would be the bone of contention that is why He says remember. It the one that we will and have put aside but He says REMEMBER. Thing on that.
Hope that persons do not think that I am against them or just oppose them. I am very concern that our salvation are in danger because God's commandment is willfully disobeyed and I know that no one would expect to see God's face while willfully disobeying Him.

 

[Elder 111]

What a pecular answer! You don't even know me. All you know is that I have no compunction to observe a Saturday Sabbath. Surely you must think you are better than me, at least in that regard.

The reality for myself is that I agree with Paul in Romans 7:14-25. When I come remotely close to loving my neighbor as myself I will then face the overwhelming challenge of loving God with all my heart, soul, and mind.

Just as well as you do meant that I am no better than you. For I am a sinner saved only by the grace of God as is all who come to Him.
You would have also seen Romans 7 :
10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.
11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.
12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.
That includes the Sabbath. Why should we neglect that which is Holy, Just and Good? Is not holiness of God?

 

[Elder 111]

God does not require it, SDAs urge it upon others.

So He was not serious when He placed it with the other nine that you fine necessary to keep? Why what a big mistake He made.

 

[MoreCoffee]

What is of note is that God knew that the 4th would be the bone of contention that is why He says remember. It the one that we will and have put aside but He says REMEMBER. Thing on that.

The same spurious reasoning can be used for any of the commandments if one is willing to try. Consider the commandment "Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee." I can argue, using the same technique as you do, that God knew that the above commandment would be a matter of contention so he said to "honour" one's father and mother because he foreknew that disobedience would become rampant among children and that respect for one's parents would cease to be observed among worldly people. Thus God made honouring one's parents a test of covenant keeping and of righteousness without which no man (or woman) will see God.

Hope that persons do not think that I am against them or just oppose them. I am very concern that our salvation are in danger because God's commandment is willfully disobeyed and I know that no one would expect to see God's face while willfully disobeying Him.

 

[Elder 111]

The same spurious reasoning can be used for any of the commandments if one is willing to try. Consider the commandment "Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee." I can argue, using the same technique as you do, that God knew that the above commandment would be a matter of contention so he said to "honour" one's father and mother because he foreknew that disobedience would become rampant among children and that respect for one's parents would cease to be observed among worldly people. Thus God made honouring one's parents a test of covenant keeping and of righteousness without which no man (or woman) will see God.

And you and I would be correct in both cases.

 

[MoreCoffee]

And you and I would be correct in both cases.

Well no, we would not be correct, we would have played a little game to make something we wanted to emphasise into something that God is supposed to have given emphasis to when he didn't. It is a game that folk play when they want to big note their doctrine. It isn't honest.

 

[bbbbbbb]

Well no, we would not be correct, we would have played a little game to make something we wanted to emphasise into something that God is supposed to have given emphasis to when he didn't. It is a game that folk play when they want to big note their doctrine. It isn't honest.

It certainly is not honest and was the game that was played by the Pharisees who went to extreme lengths to observe miniscule aspects of the Law while failing in the basic, primary commands. It might be argued that Sabbath-keeping is a primary command because it is among the ten. However, if it were I think Jesus might have reiterated it at least once for us. After all, He did reiterate the others several times.

I am content for the present to try to love my neighbor as myself and to love God with all my heart, soul, and mind.

 

[bbbbbbb]

Just as well as you do meant that I am no better than you. For I am a sinner saved only by the grace of God as is all who come to Him.
You would have also seen Romans 7 :
10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.
11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.
12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.
That includes the Sabbath. Why should we neglect that which is Holy, Just and Good? Is not holiness of God?

The primary difference between us that I see is that, although you see yourself as saved by the grace of God your salvation is conditional upon your obedience to the Ten Commandments. As long as you keep them then God will save you. If you fail to obey any one of them you will lose your salvation. Am I correct in my understanding?

 

[bugkiller]

Originally Posted by Holy Ghost Poster

The 4th Cmdt. is the most important one. It commemorates the fact that Jesus created and made His Kingdom, The Father was the overseer beginning on the first day. It also contains the Seal of Authority, ie., God, Creator, Heaven and Earth. It states that one shall "remember" that Cmdt. As a matter of fact, the first word is "Remember". No other Cmdt. has "remember". Review Jhn 14: 15; 15: 10; Eccl 12: 13, 14; 1 Jhn 3: 24; and Rev 22: 14; especially review this one : Isaiah 66: 23: it is the only Cmdt. that will be kept in Heaven ! Halleluyah, Amen.
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What is of note is that God knew that the 4th would be the bone of contention that is why He says remember. It the one that we will and have put aside but He says REMEMBER. Thing on that.
Hope that persons do not think that I am against them or just oppose them. I am very concern that our salvation are in danger because God's commandment is willfully disobeyed and I know that no one would expect to see God's face while willfully disobeying Him.

God also knew men would reject Jesus and the NC for the law.

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[bugkiller]

Originally Posted by Holy Ghost Poster

The 4th Cmdt. is the most important one. It commemorates the fact that Jesus created and made His Kingdom, The Father was the overseer beginning on the first day. It also contains the Seal of Authority, ie., God, Creator, Heaven and Earth. It states that one shall "remember" that Cmdt. As a matter of fact, the first word is "Remember". No other Cmdt. has "remember". Review Jhn 14: 15; 15: 10; Eccl 12: 13, 14; 1 Jhn 3: 24; and Rev 22: 14; especially review this one : Isaiah 66: 23: it is the only Cmdt. that will be kept in Heaven ! Halleluyah, Amen.
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What is of note is that God knew that the 4th would be the bone of contention that is why He says remember. It the one that we will and have put aside but He says REMEMBER. Thing on that.
Hope that persons do not think that I am against them or just oppose them. I am very concern that our salvation are in danger because God's commandment is willfully disobeyed and I know that no one would expect to see God's face while willfully disobeying Him.

Not subjecting one's self to the covenant made with the COI is not being disobedient to God.

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