Ellen White on the Sabbath

[dollarsbill]

The Ten Commandments are still valid.

And are covered by the NT, except the Sabbath commands.

The Sabbath IS STILL a requirement.

Do you execute your relatives who work on the Sabbath?

It is a salvational issue.

Perhaps. Judging others is sin.

Colossians 2:16 (NASB)
16 Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day—

If we willfully go out of our way to break it, we will be lost.

No IFs, ANDs, or BUTs about it.

That's a BIG problem for preachers of the Law.

Deuteronomy 13:6-10 (NASB)
6 "If your brother, your mother's son, or your son or daughter, or the wife you cherish, or your friend who is as your own soul, entice you secretly, saying, 'Let us go and serve other gods' (whom neither you nor your fathers have known, 7 of the gods of the peoples who are around you, near you or far from you, from one end of the earth to the other end), 8 you shall not yield to him or listen to him; and your eye shall not pity him, nor shall you spare or conceal him. 9 "But you shall surely kill him; your hand shall be first against him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people. 10 "So you shall stone him to death because he has sought to seduce you from the LORD your God who brought you out from the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery.

I reject your interpretation as false.

I reject your HIGHLY edited version of the Law.

 

[MoreCoffee]

"Wherefore the Son of man is Lord also of the Sabbath." These words are full of instruction and comfort. Because the Sabbath was made for man, it is the Lord's day. It belongs to Christ. For "all things were made by Him; and without Him was not anything made that was made." John 1:3. Since He made all things, He made the Sabbath. By Him it was set apart as a memorial of the work of creation. It points to Him as both the Creator and the Sanctifier. It declares that He who created all things in heaven and in earth, and by whom all things hold together, is the head of the church, and that by His power we are reconciled to God. For, speaking of Israel, He said, "I gave them My Sabbaths, to be a sign between Me and them, that they might know that I am the Lord that sanctify them,"--make them holy. Ezek. 20:12. Then the Sabbath is a sign of Christ's power to make us holy. And it is given to all whom Christ makes holy. As a sign of His sanctifying power, the Sabbath is given to all who through Christ become a part of the Israel of God. (The Desire of Ages by Ellen White, chapter: The Sabbath, page 288)
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Ellen White once again misapplies scripture for the purpose of highlighting the 7th day (sabbath); clearly John 1:3 is not about the 7th day and the following fatuous little bit of writing, "Since He made all things, He made the Sabbath. By Him it was set apart as a memorial of the work of creation. It points to Him as both the Creator and the Sanctifier. It declares that He who created all things in heaven and in earth, and by whom all things hold together, is the head of the church, and that by His power we are reconciled to God", only goes to prove that she was willing to recruit any passage to the service of her doctrine.

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life; and the life was the light of men. And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. (John 1:1-5)
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I prefer John's handling of the verse that Ellen White quoted from. He wants to glorify Jesus as Lord and God and creator of everything that is created.

Ellen White goes on to misuse Ezekiel 20:12 and connects it to her statement, already made, about creation and the 7th day. She did, however, correctly note that Ezekiel 20:12 is about Israel and not about gentiles. It is a pity that she didn't take it to heart and declare that what was given to Israel was given to them as a sign of the Messiah who was to come and the rest he was to give; instead she tries to burden her followers with the 7th day that belongs to the age of signs and shadows and to Israel the nation that prefigured the Son of God.

But they rebelled against me, and would not hearken unto me: they did not every man cast away the abominations of their eyes, neither did they forsake the idols of Egypt: then I said, I will pour out my fury upon them, to accomplish my anger against them in the midst of the land of Egypt. But I wrought for my name's sake, that it should not be polluted before the heathen, among whom they were, in whose sight I made myself known unto them, in bringing them forth out of the land of Egypt. Wherefore I caused them to go forth out of the land of Egypt, and brought them into the wilderness. And I gave them my statutes, and shewed them my judgments, which if a man do, he shall even live in them. Moreover also I gave them my sabbaths, to be a sign between me and them, that they might know that I am the LORD that sanctify them. (Ezekiel 20:8-12)
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If only Seventh Day Adventists would pay close attention to what Ezekiel wrote; how he says, "And I gave them my statutes, and shewed them my judgments, which if a man do, he shall even live in them. Moreover also I gave them my sabbaths, to be a sign between me and them, that they might know that I am the LORD that sanctify them." Ezekiel knows, as we who are in Christ know, that the law was given to Israel as a way to live, the whole law, not merely parts of it, and Ezekiel knew, as we who are in Christ know, that the 7th day was a sign pointing to Christ. And we who are in Christ know that Christ has come and there is no longer a need for signs to point to him because we know him.

 

[Elder 111]

No katapousis rest was not available to the Isrealites. God said they shall not enter into His rest. PS 95:11. Yet they had the sabbath. So the sabbath must not be the rest God was talking about in Ps 95. Jesus offered rest while they had the sabbath Mat 11:28-30. That can not be the same rest.

The sabbath is not God's rest.

bugkiller

Who's rest is it?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by bugkiller
No kata-pousis rest was not available to the Isrealites.
Jesus offered rest while they had the sabbath Mat 11:28-30. That can not be the same rest.
The sabbath is not God's rest.

So we rest in Christ completed work. This is how we enter His rest.

It appears the greek word "ana-pausin" is the rest of Jesus. Interesting

Blue Letter Bible - Lexicon

Matthew 11:29 take up My yoke upon ye and learn from Me,
because I am meek and humble in heart, and ye shall find rest/ana-pausin <372> to the souls of ye

Revelation 4:8 And the four living creatures, each by itself severally, had six wings, around and within [are] full of eyes,
and rest/ana-pausin <372> they have not day and night, saying, `Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, who was, and who is, and who is coming;'

Revelation 14:11 and the smoke of their torment doth go up to ages of ages;
and they have no rest/ana-pausin <372> day and night, who are bowing before the beast and his image, also if any doth receive the mark of his name.

 

[bugkiller]

Who's rest is it?

Man's and for physical rest. Physical rest is not God's rest obviously because Jesus offered them something else besides the sabbath rest in Mat 11:28-30.

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[bugkiller]

Well, that's only 12 years--there's hope for you yet!

Naw I am about to tell him to take his condemnation else where and not speak to me again.

BTW it is a primary reason I started posting here at CF.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

Neither is it commanded to abstain from Beastiality either.

It is actually commanded by example. A command is implied BY EXAMPLE. All the Apostles and Jesus came together and rested on every Sabbath day. Luke 23:56 is clear, that they rested on the Sabbath day ACCORDING to the commandment. In 1 Peter 2:21, we are "left an example" by Jesus Christ, that we "walk in his steps".

The 4th commandment of the Ten Commandments is just as valid as all other 9 commandments. It is inconsistent to say we keep 9, and then break one, the 4th. That is contrary to the scriptures.

The Sabbath is the largest commandment of the Ten. It was made for mankind, not the Jews alone. It was to be a "perpetual covenant" says the scriptures.

The Sabbath is not an Old Covenant command, but part of the Everlasting Covenant, which encompasses both the Old and the New. It began in Genesis 2:2,3, long before there was a Jew and before any sin entered the world.

If Christians want to do what is right, they will keep all 10 commandments. This is an identifying mark of God's end-time remnant in Revelation 14, that they "keep the commandments of God, and have the faith of Jesus".

Hebrews 4 makes it very clear that there "remains a Sabbath keeping to the people of God". The weekly Sabbath rest is a weekly reminder of our perpetual rest in Christ, and continually reminds us of the upcoming heavenly Canaan. It is the Sabbath that helps us not forget who Created us.

The Sabbath is the Mark, Sign or Seal of the Living God in the book of Revelation.

The Sunday is the Sign or Mark of the Beast, the Mark of Papal Power.

The Sabbath vs. Sunday controversy is the very last test for God's people. Those who worship the Beast and keep Sunday will be lost forever. Those who worship God, and keep His Sabbath Holy will be saved at last.

Not because the day saved them. But because their keeping of the right day only proved their allegiance to Jehovah. They are willing to die for His law, and keep His commandments, because they LOVE HIM.

The Sabbath is intrinsically tied to the Gospel. They cannot be separated:

"And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the EVERLASTING GOSPEL to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people, Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and WORSHIP him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters." (Revelation 14:6, 7)
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Question: Where is this underlined red portion being quoted from? Where is it first found in the Bible?

Answer: The Ten Commandments!

"Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it." (Exodus 20:8-11)
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The 4th commandment is a commandment that has to do with "WORSHIP".

The Sabbath Message will be the Sign of TRUE worship of God's end-time people. All those who refuse, will end up siding with the Beast.

THE THIRD ANGEL'S MESSAGE: The Mark of the Beast 666 (HD) - YouTube

Let's not keep resisting the Sabbath. Start keeping it holy if you want to obey God and be saved at last.

Honoring the Sunday = False Worship (like Cain with his false sacrifice)

Honoring the Sabbath = True Worship (like Abel with his true sacrifice)

History will be repeated on a global scale: The issue has to do with WORSHIP, and the Sabbath helps to DISTINGUISH those who worship God, and those who worship the Beast.

Just like God put a piece of fruit, that seemed so insignificant, to test Eve, likewise, God uses a day, that seems so "insignificant" to test God's people in the last days to see if we really love Him.

If we are faithful in the little things, we will be faithful in the bigger things.

Well pardon me. But where is the word whorship in Exodus 20:8-11? My eyes must be having problems.

Lev 23:3 says -Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation; ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of the Lord in all your dwellings. Mowshab means dwelling and dwelling means -

noun a building or place of shelter to live in; place of residence; abode; home. Dictionary dot com

a shelter (as a house) in which people live . Merriam-Webster

home: a house or other building or place in which somebody lives
living: living in a particular type of place or environment Bing Dictionary

n. A place to live in; an abode. dwelling [&#712;dw&#603;l&#618;&#331;] n. Formal, literary a place of residence. Free on-line dictionary

n. A place to live in; an abode. ... A building designed or used as the living quarters for one or more families. Answers dot com

a place to live in; residence; house; abode. yourdictionary dot com

Understand yet?

29 See, for that the Lord hath given you the sabbath, therefore he giveth you on the sixth day the bread of two days; abide ye every man in his place, let no man go out of his place on the seventh day. Ex 16

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[bugkiller]

The Sabbath vs. Sunday controversy is the very last test for God's people. Those who worship the Beast and keep Sunday will be lost forever. Those who worship God, and keep His Sabbath Holy will be saved at last.

This is adding to the Scripture. There is a penalty for that I do believe.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

The Sabbath is the Mark, Sign or Seal of the Living God in the book of Revelation.

I should like to see the supporting verse. I stand accused of not providing Scripture. So where is it?

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

Neither is it commanded to abstain from Beastiality either.

You are right the Bible does not say anything about beastiality. What are these following verses talking about?

23 Neither shalt thou lie with any beast to defile thyself therewith: neither shall any woman stand before a beast to lie down thereto: it is confusion. Lev 18

15 And if a man lie with a beast, he shall surely be put to death: and ye shall slay the beast.
16 And if a woman approach unto any beast, and lie down thereto, thou shalt kill the woman, and the beast: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them. Lev 20

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[bugkiller]

Those who disobeyed, which was the majority, did not enter into His rest. But those who obeyed God out of faith, like the few remnants of Israel, the few prophets, men like Daniel and the Three Hebrew Worthies, you better believe they entered into the Katapousis rest.

As I already showed, the Katapousis rest was available from the foundation of the world. So let's not keep arguing.

Right so Ps 95:11 is a lie.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

No no no nooo. Sowwy. Not the case!

Read again...


"Neither will I any more remove the foot of Israel from out of the land which I have appointed for your fathers; so that they will take heed to do all that I have commanded them, according to the whole law AND the statutes AND the ordinances by the hand of Moses." (2 Chronicles 33:8)

The "ordinances by the hand of Moses", is NOT in the same lump as the "WHOLE LAW".

The Ten Commandments were written IN STONE, BEFORE:

Notice:

"These words the LORD spake unto all your assembly in the mount out of the midst of the fire, of the cloud, and of the thick darkness, with a great voice: and HE ADDED NO MORE. And he wrote them in two tables of stone, and delivered them unto me." (Dueteronomy 5:22)

Thus, what Moses wrote by hand could only be "separate".

The Ten Commandments are still valid.

The Sabbath IS STILL a requirement.

It is a salvational issue.

If we willfully go out of our way to break it, we will be lost.

No IFs, ANDs, or BUTs about it.

I reject your interpretation as false.

ya missed the whole law? how? The whole law was written by the hand of Moses as instructed by God. The ordinances are not the doings of Moses.

bugkiller

 

[MoreCoffee]

bugkiller I do not think that large fonts and bright colours will reach Lysimachus.

 

[bugkiller]

I never said the Sabbath was God's rest.

What I said is that the Sabbath is a symbol of God's rest.

Big difference.

The Sabbath was a symbol of the spiritual rest that existed in the Old Testament (for which Israel AS A NATION failed to enter into, but they could have [but faithful patriarchs did]).

And the Sabbath still is a symbol of our spiritual rest that exists in the New Testament.

Those who break God's commandments willfully, and do not keep them out of love, are actually going back under the Old Covenant. That's exactly what the Jews of the Old Covenant did. They tried to keep the law by their own works, thus they failed miserably and were not able to keep them, so kept breaking them.

God's New Covenant Christians will be able to keep ALL of them, because they now are not keeping them by the works of the law, but faith. The "works of the law" has to do with a wrong motive for keeping them. But keeping them by faith does not mean you don't keep them. It means you are empowered by the Spirit of Grace in your Soul, and are now enabled to keep them out of true genuine Love for Him.

It's the other way around. Those who willfully break God's commandments, are the ones who place themselves under the Old Covenant of the Jews.

Whatever you say. The truth is they did not enter His rest.

And no the sabbath is not a symbol of spiritual rest.


No the sabbath is not a symbol of our rest in Jesus Christ. I know of no verse supporting such. Do you have one?

How does violating something one is not obligated to going back to it? Makes no sense at all.

If we indeed are empowered to keep the law I John 1:9 is nothing more than useless rhetoric. Now the challenge still stands to name anyone who does not sin and keeps the law.

Yes and those who wilfully do business and use their beast of burden on the sabbath wilfully sin according to Ex 20:8-11. She gonna be warm fer a looooooooong time.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

And are covered by the NT, except the Sabbath commands.

Do you execute your relatives who work on the Sabbath?

Perhaps. Judging others is sin.

Colossians 2:16 (NASB)
16 Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day—

That's a BIG problem for preachers of the Law.

Deuteronomy 13:6-10 (NASB)
6 "If your brother, your mother's son, or your son or daughter, or the wife you cherish, or your friend who is as your own soul, entice you secretly, saying, 'Let us go and serve other gods' (whom neither you nor your fathers have known, 7 of the gods of the peoples who are around you, near you or far from you, from one end of the earth to the other end), 8 you shall not yield to him or listen to him; and your eye shall not pity him, nor shall you spare or conceal him. 9 "But you shall surely kill him; your hand shall be first against him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people. 10 "So you shall stone him to death because he has sought to seduce you from the LORD your God who brought you out from the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery.

I reject your HIGHLY edited version of the Law.

Me too!!!!

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

bugkiller I do not think that large fonts and bright colours will reach Lysimachus.

You are probably correct. When one choses to ignore something nothing will get their attention. NTL it is fun to make sure it can unavoidably be seen. Yes I understand some are irratated by it. They should propbably dump that size function. I can enlarge any thing to suit my eye sight. So really I do not understand why it is a site option.

bugkiller

 

[MoreCoffee]

Trample my courts no more! Bring no more worthless offerings; your incense is loathsome to me. New moon and sabbath, calling of assemblies, octaves with wickedness: these I cannot bear. (Isaiah 1:13)

 

[Lysimachus]

ya missed the whole law? how? The whole law was written by the hand of Moses as instructed by God. The ordinances are not the doings of Moses.

bugkiller

How does that negate the fact that the Ten Commandments were written by the Finger of God, PRIOR to Moses writing them down in a book, as a copy?

How was Moses able to read them off to the Israelites? Walk between the crowd of Israelites, then walk into the Most Holy Place, and then read them out loud to the congregation?

Try to get the picture bugkiller. You're using arguments that do not even make sense.

The expression "whole law" also was attributed to the Ten Commandments:

"But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors. For whosoever shall keep the WHOLE LAW, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law. So SPEAK YE, and SO DO, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty." (James 2:9-12)​

I didn't say it! GOD said it.

In Dueteronomy 5, The expression "ALL the commandments" are being used to mean "ALL TEN COMMANDMENTS". (See Deut. 5:29, 31) (see context of which law is being given).

The expression , "blotting OUT the handwriting of ordinances"....in Colossians 2:16, is an expression to represent the erasing of INK in the Greek.

"Blotting out" has to do with INK.

Guess what?

After you erase the ink, that is related to "ORDINANCES", the Ten Commandments STILL remain in TACT!

STILL REMAIN!

It is my conviction to tell the world that the Sabbath is still binding.

 

[Lysimachus]

Trample my courts no more! Bring no more worthless offerings; your incense is loathsome to me. New moon and sabbath, calling of assemblies, octaves with wickedness: these I cannot bear. (Isaiah 1:13)

You better quit praying too then.

"I will hide mine eyes from you: yea, when ye make many prayers, I will not hear: your hands are full of blood." (Isaiah 1:15)

The point? That none of these ceremonies meant anything, because they did not understand their meaning. They were worthless to them, for they did not have them written in their hearts. It is tantamount to when an atheist prays. NOT even the PRAYERS were being recognized by God!

God was trying to help Israel understand the true meaning and symbolism of these ceremonies. He gave them these ordinances as a "teaching lesson", but Israel was not learning from them, therefore, they became reproachable in His site.

 

[Lysimachus]

And are covered by the NT, except the Sabbath commands.

Do you execute your relatives who work on the Sabbath?

Do you execute your relatives who dishonor their parents? Do you execute members in your church for stealing or committing adultery?

This argument has been addressed a thousand times by Adventists. You should no better. It is a futile argument. Sin is sin. We don't have the authority to execute punishment--Israel removed the theocracy from Israel, and now declares "vengeance is mine". But the punishment is now deferred to the Day of Judgment for all those who willfully violated His law. James is very clear that we will be judged by the law of liberty, which is the Ten Commandments. It means to be liberated from the bondage of sin, which is transgression of the law.

Colossians 2:16 (NASB)
16 Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day&#8212;

More repetition. You know very well that we have dealth with this texts thousands, and I mean thousands of times.

For good measure, however, here are the answers again:

WHAT LAW WAS NAILED TO THE CROSS PT 1 by forerunner777 - YouTube

WHAT LAW WAS NAILED TO THE CROSS PT 2 - YouTube

So far, the Colossians 2:16 argument used by Evangelicals has proven to be debunked.

Deuteronomy 13:6-10 (NASB)
6 "If your brother, your mother's son, or your son or daughter, or the wife you cherish, or your friend who is as your own soul, entice you secretly, saying, 'Let us go and serve other gods' (whom neither you nor your fathers have known, 7 of the gods of the peoples who are around you, near you or far from you, from one end of the earth to the other end), 8 you shall not yield to him or listen to him; and your eye shall not pity him, nor shall you spare or conceal him. 9 "But you shall surely kill him; your hand shall be first against him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people. 10 "So you shall stone him to death because he has sought to seduce you from the LORD your God who brought you out from the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery.

I reject your HIGHLY edited version of the Law.

So we now have a license to kill, steal, commit adultery, worship idols? Because we no longer execute these punishments, this means that breaking these commandments is not sin?

I think you know better than that. We are teaching what God's requirements are. We're not going to execute punishment that belongs to God.

Punishment against transgressors of God's law will transpire when all the wicked are gathered together at the end of the millennium. All the willful violations of God's law will be recorded, and all will be punished at the same time.