Ellen G White.

[capnator]

When it comes to the writtings of Ellen G White you come accross thousands of instances, probably even tens of thousands of instances of the phrases "I was shown" and "I saw". What becomes obvious very quickly is that the claims that "I was shown" and "I saw" are referring in her eyes to a power outside of herself. Which she believed (and as do I) was God.

Now either
1. She truely "was shown" from God and therefore we had better think carefully before speaking against or rejecting her council.
2. She was seriously Deluded - mental illness of some description.
3. She "was shown" from a power not of God.
4. Some other explanation, i'd be interested to hear what else it could possibly be.

Also consider surrounding EGW are many, many accounts of supernatural occurances eg. visions, knowledge about people that ordinary people just shouldn't know and prophetic utterance. For me I would personally rule out option 2. which leaves inspired by God or inspired by ?(Satan)?

Personally I don't hide my view and having read a reasonable amount of her writtings I am constantly amazed at what she wrote and I am often inspired to seek God more earnestly and get a real blessing from what she has written. I've never had the impression that she tries to usurp the authroity of the bible but only tries to open our blind eyes to see the glorious light of the bible.

Please explain your Take on "I was shown" and "I saw" as claimed by EGW.

 

[capnator]

If you want to check this out for yourself you can search all of EGW's online here http://egwdatabase.whiteestate.org/nxt/gateway.dll?f=templates$fn=default.htm$vid=default

 

[capnator]

and here is Just one totally random example from a search I just did online on the site given above, There is a stackload more.

I will now write you the vision that the Lord gave me May 14. I saw the great goodness of God to us, that while we have been passing through the deep waters, they have not overwhelmed us. I saw the beauty and loveliness of Jesus, and it seemed as though I could never bear to be parted from His lovely presence. {6MR 168.1}
Then I saw a light coming from the excellent glory that encircled the Father. It approached nearer and nearer to me. I began to tremble, my body shook like a leaf; it seemed to me if that light came close to me, I should be dissolved or struck out of existence, but the light passed me. Then could I realize what a terrible God we have to do with, and that we must be so holy that we can live in His sight. {6MR 168.2}

She is obvoiusly claiming the source showing her things is God.

 

[k4c]

Ellen White had been shown, by an external power, the shut door doctrine.

Ellen White had also been shown, by the same external power, the coming of Jesus in 1844.

These are just a few of her many visions and special powers that some how have been over looked when deciding her office of prophet.

Over the years there have been hundreds of men, woman and children that have had similar visions that do not amount to much and yet we do not exalt them to the office of prophet. I myself can say I see these things but if they don't line up with Scripture than they only make me a wacko, not a prophet.

 

[ricker]

Now either
1. She truely "was shown" from God and therefore we had better think carefully before speaking against or rejecting her council.
2. She was seriously Deluded - mental illness of some description.
3. She "was shown" from a power not of God.
4. Some other explanation, i'd be interested to hear what else it could possibly be.

Personally I don't hide my view and having read a reasonable amount of her writtings I am constantly amazed at what she wrote and I am often inspired to seek God more earnestly and get a real blessing from what she has written. I've never had the impression that she tries to usurp the authroity of the bible but only tries to open our blind eyes to see the glorious light of the bible.

Please explain your Take on "I was shown" and "I saw" as claimed by EGW.

I am seeing quite a few views of this post, and precious few votes. Apparently some here are scared to express their opinions. I can't believe anyone here doesn't have one on this subject.
God bless! Ricker

 

[mva1985]

I have no problem voting and I have, but the result of this poll does not invalidate God's use of EGW.

 

[thecountrydoc]

k4c, perhaps it would be good to do a little more research about your posted time line.

Doc

 

[OntheDL]

Ellen White had been shown, by an external power, the shut door doctrine.

Please explain what you think shut door means and provide EGW quotes.

Ellen White had also been shown, by the same external power, the coming of Jesus in 1844.

This is false. Provide quotes to support what you are saying.

These are just a few of her many visions and special powers that some how have been over looked when deciding her office of prophet.

Over the years there have been hundreds of men, woman and children that have had similar visions that do not amount to much and yet we do not exalt them to the office of prophet. I myself can say I see these things but if they don't line up with Scripture than they only make me a wacko, not a prophet.

Please substantiate your statement with facts.

 

[k4c]

k4c, perhaps it would be good to do a little more research about your posted time line.

Doc

For a time after the disappointment in 1844, I did hold, in common with the advent body, that the door of mercy was then forever closed to the world.--Ellen G. White Ms. 4, 1883; Selected Messages, book 1, p. 63.

The time line of Adventist truth is boggled with changes and alterations to fit the Adventist beliefs they now hold today.

If only they could accept the fact that Ellen White is just another person trying to predict things she has no business doing. The God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ tells us to listen to His Son. If anyone does not teach the doctrines of Christ we are to have nothing to do with them.

 

[OntheDL]

For a time after the disappointment in 1844, I did hold, in common with the advent body, that the door of mercy was then forever closed to the world.--Ellen G. White Ms. 4, 1883; Selected Messages, book 1, p. 63.

The time line of Adventist truth is boggled with changes and alterations to fit the Adventist beliefs they now hold today.

Please explain what you think the shut door means. The quote says nothing about her belief at the time.

If only they could accept the fact that Ellen White is just another person trying to predict things she has no business doing. The God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ tells us to listen to His Son. If anyone does not teach the doctrines of Christ we are to have nothing to do with them.

If only you can read her writings in entirety with humble and earnest heart you would see why they came from Jesus Christ and why we need these testimonies.

 

[thecountrydoc]

k4c, You miss the point my friend. Please note the highlited portion of your last post.

For a time after the disappointment in 1844, I did hold, in common with the advent body, that the door of mercy was then forever closed to the world.--Ellen G. White Ms. 4, 1883; Selected Messages, book 1, p. 63.

While she admitted she DID, past tense, hold these teachings to be true, there is no mention of her having any prophetic understanding of them at that past point, nor was she responsible for the prediction of Christ return to take place in 1844.

Respectfully,
Doc

 

[mva1985]

Correct me if I am wrong but didn't her first vision take place sometime in December of 1844?

A couple of months after the disappointment.

So what prophecy might you be referring to which showed that Christ was coming in 1844?

 

[happywiththelord]

i have been trying to vote, but it wont let me. it is going way to slow and never finishes! i have been having lots of problems for several days on trying to load pages. i click on a thread, or etc. and it wont take me there. i have to start it and stop it several times before it will finally go through! is anyone else having this trouble?

 

[ricker]

I have no problem voting and I have, but the result of this poll does not invalidate God's use of EGW.

Nor does it validate it. Opinions are just that. They don't define reality. Mrs. White is a non-issue to me, except if her word is followed doggedly in the opposition to plain scripture.
Usually in my Biblical discusssions here Ellen White is not brought up, which is the way it should be.
God bless! Ricker

 

[mva1985]

Nor does it validate it. Opinions are just that. They don't define reality. Mrs. White is a non-issue to me, except if her word is followed doggedly in the opposition to plain scripture.
Usually in my Biblical discusssions here Ellen White is not brought up, which is the way it should be.
God bless! Ricker

No response to the two questions I posted above?

 

[ricker]

No response to the two questions I posted above?

Your discussion must be with somebody else? I personally don't get into debates about Mrs. White. I just ignore her. If Adventist doctrines are truly of the Bible, there is no reason to substantiate her prophetic gift or to attack her.
God bless! Ricker

 

[JonMiller]

I think that she had messages from God. I also think that she liberally included her own interpretations of what God showed her, when she communicated this. I think she was at times mistaken, as we all are but Christ.

JM

 

[mva1985]

Your discussion must be with somebody else? I personally don't get into debates about Mrs. White. I just ignore her. If Adventist doctrines are truly of the Bible, there is no reason to substantiate her prophetic gift or to attack her.
God bless! Ricker

Nope the questions were for you, but you have given your answer.

 

[tall73]

Correct me if I am wrong but didn't her first vision take place sometime in December of 1844?

A couple of months after the disappointment.

So what prophecy might you be referring to which showed that Christ was coming in 1844?

The statement quoted earlier, if you read the whole thing, shows that she claimed her first vision came after her adherence to the shut door.

And her first vision was after 1844.

 

[OntheDL]

No response to the two questions I posted above?

I think your question is for K4C on the 'supposed prophecy' EGW had about Christ's coming in 1844. I had asked him the same question earlier in this thread. But I'm not holding my breath for the answer.