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Election

Discussion in 'Ask a Calvinist' started by Ann77, Jul 10, 2020.

  1. Ann77

    Ann77 New Member

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    Are there any well known Roman Catholics that hold to Calvinistic teachings of the doctrine of election?
     
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  2. redleghunter

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    St. Augustine would be one. Although Reformed and Roman Catholic theologians argue one way or the other about Augustine, below is a link to what he actually had to say on the matter:

    CHURCH FATHERS: On the Predestination of the Saints, Book I (Augustine)
     
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  3. Tolworth John

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    I suspect not as the grounds for excommunication in the council of Trent item 15 says that those who believe in justification by faith and is certain he is predestined he is accursed.
     
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  4. St_Worm2

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    Hello @Ann77, like RedLegHunter said, St. Augustine comes to mind immediately (and to a lesser degree, Thomas Aquinas). Both preceded Trent, of course (as Trent was created in reaction to the Reformation).

    Calvin once said that there is nothing that he taught that was not taught first by Augustine. In fact, Calvinism is also called Augustinianism because the teachings are so similar in so many ways. I've also been told that due to these kinds of teachings of his, the EOC refers to Augustine as the "Blessed Augustine" rather than "Saint Augustine" (IOW, he is not a canonized saint in the EOC, like he is in the RCC).

    God bless you!

    --David
     
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  5. Ann77

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    That's interesting. I've ran into some Roman Catholics online who held to Predestination. I guess they're being inconsistent ;)
     
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  6. St_Worm2

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    I suppose it depends on what they believe about predestination. Since election/predestination are taught throughout the Holy Writ, it is a difficult concept to completely separate oneself from if you teach that the Bible is God's infallible breathed word (though many still try their best to do so anyway ;)).

    A typical response (though not necessarily a RC one) would be that God predestines everybody to salvation (which is just another way of saying that He predestines no one).
     
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  7. Tolworth John

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    Fortunetly very few of us are consistent in our believes or practises.
     
  8. JM

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    Thomas Aquinas seems to have agreed with single predestination which makes election logical as well as scriptural. You could google Jansenism.
     
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