Election poll

[BjBarnett]

go Kerry. rah! rah!

 

[Wild_Fan4Christ]

BUSH all the way I vote for my values and faith as Bush has shown in his leadership. How can you be a Christian and vote for Kerry who doesn't know his own faith. Sorry but he is an open invitation for the terrorists to attack and will say goodbye to our values...the values that this country was founded on.

 

[stray bullet]

I say pick up your own cross and change the hearts of women in this situation as opposed to depending on legislation to do it for you. Do you remember how effective prohibition was in stopping the consumption of alcohol? You can't legislate morality. And attempts to do so breed contempt and rebellion.

This isn't really legislating morality, this is providing rights to all human beings. Much like the Bill of Rights which recognizes our natural rights as individuals is not moral legistlation.

 

[bibleboy18KTIS]

kerry is stupid LOL go bush

 

[Mary_Magdalene]

Voting for Badnarik (Libertarian). Honestly don't know whether Bush or Kerry is the lessert of two evils, so.....

....so you are voting for someone that is for legalizing drugs "the first day he is in office" and pro-abortion?????

(i just checked out badnarik's website)

 

[jesusfreak4888]

ewwwwww go bush

 

[stray bullet]

I don't think Kerry will change anything in Iraq. We're there, we need to clean up our mess. However, I'm hopeful that his domestic policies will improve the economy.

cheers,
Jim

- Kerry wants to solve Iraq by adding more International troops to something he calls a mistake. The only other nations that have the manpower to participate are Germany and France, which have made it clear they will not be sending troops, ever. Spain already left out of fear. Europe isn't going to take a stand with Kerry for a mistake.

-Economy, Kerry hasn't announced any plans except to close a few corporate loopholes regarding outsourcing tax breaks. This will spare jobs in the thousands, not millions. His solution is a drop in the bucket.

My beef with Kerry isn't necessarily his opinions, but how he simply talks about problems without offering any solutions except typical political rhetoric. If someone can tell me how Kerry plans on 'fixing' Iraq or the economy, please do. I am honestly curious.

I didn't vote for Bush in the first election, but if Kerry expects votes, I think we should expect answers.

 

[Vylo]

So, Kerry has nothing on the war over Bush except to fight terrorists with flip flops and telling them it's a mistake.

Kerry has a charisma higher then that of a rabid boar with raging halitosis. It would take Bush a lifetime to aspire to such a level of international persuasion (the boar's, not Kerry's, Bush will never have the charisma of even an average monkey). I would put a lot more trust in Kerry to help smooth out relations then Bush.

-Economy, Kerry hasn't announced any plans except to close a few corporate loopholes regarding outsourcing tax breaks. This will spare jobs in the thousands, not millions. His solution is a drop in the bucket.

Frankly, I feel it's more then Bush did.

 

[Caylin]

Anyone but Shrub...

 

[stray bullet]

Kerry has a charisma higher then that of a rabid boar with raging halitosis. It would take Bush a lifetime to aspire to such a level of international persuasion (the boar's, not Kerry's, Bush will never have the charisma of even an average monkey). I would put a lot more trust in Kerry to help smooth out relations then Bush.

That isn't an answer.

Frankly, I feel it's more then Bush did.

Economists seem to disagree, feeling his economic reforms and tax cuts are what allowed us to rebound rapidly.
I am not a spin-doctor, nor a bulldog for Bush. But, I asked a question about what Kerry's solutions are, which you replied without providing an answer.

In talking with Kerry supporters, I can't seem to find any conclusive reasoning for their support. It is either that they want to keep abortion legal, or they list whatever grievances they have against Bush.

No one, to this day, has given me a single policy of Kerry they are voting for him because of, that wasn't a mirror of a policy of Bush already.

Kerry's policies of pure rhetoric makes me extremely concerned about his ability to perform, much less lead.

 

[stray bullet]

Oh, I did forget health care, but I feel his efforts on that are unlikely given the current Congress

Anyways, I am not here for a fight or a debate. I am seriously interested in what policies, which can actually happen, that people are excited about Kerry over.

 

[Jacob4Jesus]

saying you cant legislate morality is a democratic "talking point". if that were true, there wouldnt be any laws. All laws stem from moral issues-murder, rape, child abuse... These are things in this country that some people think is ok, that doesnt mean we should not have laws against them.
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Some could say that laws against murder, rape and child abuse are based on morality... other would say it's based off plain old common sense.

Oh, and that law that says I can't go 65 miles an hour in a 55 mph zone... I don't think that based off any moral issues. And that leash law they have... hmmm, don't see how that's based on morals. Is it immoral to let our dogs walk free.

Now I wouldn't say that laws against abortions are 'legislating morality' though. Someone who gets an abortion for birth control... well, I won't post anything about that... it's a whole nother can of worms.

 

[Vylo]

That isn't an answer.

Let me simplify for you. Bush can't do anything with foreign relations except hurt them, this basically dooms him in dealing with the war on terror. Kerry has something called "charisma" and his running mate has even more then him. "charisma" combine with "humility" and "intellegence" will get you things called "allies". "allies" are what help you fight "enemies", in this case the terrorists.

Really uber simplified

Bush = the world hates us with the power of a thousand suns
Kerry = the world might stop despising us.

 

[stray bullet]

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Let me simplify for you. Bush can't do anything with foreign relations except hurt them, this basically dooms him in dealing with the war on terror. Kerry has something called "charisma" and his running mate has even more then him. "charisma" combine with "humility" and "intellegence" will get you things called "allies". "allies" are what help you fight "enemies", in this case the terrorists.

I think the problem is that you are simplifying it. I'm not having trouble understanding you, I am having difficulty understanding where you think he'll get help. The only countries that could possibly help out to any measurable degree are France and Germany and they aren't going to help. France has already made it clear they won't be sending any troops. German troops are currently deployed in Afghanistan.

So, I don't see a solution there. See my problem?

 

[Vylo]

I think the problem is that you are simplifying it. I'm not having trouble understanding you, I am having difficulty understanding where you think he'll get help. The only countries that could possibly help out to any measurable degree are France and Germany and they aren't going to help. France has already made it clear they won't be sending any troops. German troops are currently deployed in Afghanistan.

There are many more countries then France and Germany that could help out. There were 40 countries originally in Bush's "coalition of the willing". Where did they run off to? They helped before, they can obviously help again. The question is, will they be willing to. Under Bush, fat chance, under Kerry the odds increase dramatically.

 

[stray bullet]

There are many more countries then France and Germany that could help out. There were 40 countries originally in Bush's "coalition of the willing". Where did they run off to? They helped before, they can obviously help again. The question is, will they be willing to. Under Bush, fat chance, under Kerry the odds increase dramatically.

Vylo, what nation has a military large enough to spare troops to send to Iraq?

There were 60 countries in the original coalition which helped out, by doing other things than simply providing troops. The problem here is that you aren't naming a single country, you claim charisma, but that isn't going to fix things.

This is my problem with Kerry's camp, it seems to be nothing more than rhetoric and things about Bush. I am looking for a reason to vote for Kerry, not a vote to not vote for Bush- I think Kerry at least owes us that.

 

[feo]

statistics, please. back this up with facts. partial birth abortion is now banned. one small victory at a time to win the war.

You want the facts- that abortion business has been increasing since Bush has taken office? Sure thing. I attached it at the bottom of my post from www.sojo.net

Now why dont you back what you said up with facts?
Show me one news article where it says its *IMPOSSIBLE* to get a partial birth- because from what I know: its "frozen" and hasnt gone all the way.



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Pro-life? Look at the fruits
by Dr. Glen Harold Stassen



I am a Christian ethicist, and trained in statistical analysis. I am consistently pro-life. My son David is one witness. For my family, "pro-life" is personal. My wife caught rubella in the eighth week of her pregnancy. We decided not to terminate, to love and raise our baby. David is legally blind and severely handicapped; he also is a blessing to us and to the world.

I look at the fruits of political policies more than words. I analyzed the data on abortion during the George W. Bush presidency. There is no single source for this information - federal reports go only to 2000, and many states do not report - but I found enough data to identify trends. My findings are counterintuitive and disturbing.

Abortion was decreasing. When President Bush took office, the nation's abortion rates were at a 24-year low, after a 17.4% decline during the 1990s. This was an average decrease of 1.7% per year, mostly during the latter part of the decade. (This data comes from Minnesota Citizens Concerned for Life using the Guttmacher Institute's studies).

Enter George W. Bush in 2001. One would expect the abortion rate to continue its consistent course downward, if not plunge. Instead, the opposite happened.

I found three states that have posted multi-year statistics through 2003, and abortion rates have risen in all three: Kentucky's increased by 3.2% from 2000 to 2003. Michigan's increased by 11.3% from 2000 to 2003. Pennsylvania's increased by 1.9% from 1999 to 2002. I found 13 additional states that reported statistics for 2001 and 2002. Eight states saw an increase in abortion rates (14.6% average increase), and five saw a decrease (4.3% average decrease).

Under President Bush, the decade-long trend of declining abortion rates appears to have reversed. Given the trends of the 1990s, 52,000 more abortions occurred in the United States in 2002 than would have been expected before this change of direction.

How could this be? I see three contributing factors:
First, two thirds of women who abort say they cannot afford a child (Minnesota Citizens Concerned for Life Web site). In the past three years, unemployment rates increased half again. Not since Hoover had there been a net loss of jobs during a presidency until the current administration. Average real incomes decreased, and for seven years the minimum wage has not been raised to match inflation. With less income, many prospective mothers fear another mouth to feed.

Second, half of all women who abort say they do not have a reliable mate (Minnesota Citizens Concerned for Life). Men who are jobless usually do not marry. Only three of the 16 states had more marriages in 2002 than in 2001, and in those states abortion rates decreased. In the 16 states overall, there were 16,392 fewer marriages than the year before, and 7,869 more abortions. As male unemployment increases, marriages fall and abortion rises.

Third, women worry about health care for themselves and their children. Since 5.2 million more people have no health insurance now than before this presidency - with women of childbearing age overrepresented in those 5.2 million - abortion increases.

The U.S. Catholic Bishops warned of this likely outcome if support for families with children was cut back. My wife and I know - as does my son David - that doctors, nurses, hospitals, medical insurance, special schooling, and parental employment are crucial for a special child. David attended the Kentucky School for the Blind, as well as several schools for children with cerebral palsy and other disabilities. He was mainstreamed in public schools as well. We have two other sons and five grandchildren, and we know that every mother, father, and child needs public and family support.

What does this tell us? Economic policy and abortion are not separate issues; they form one moral imperative. Rhetoric is hollow, mere tinkling brass, without health care, health insurance, jobs, child care, and a living wage. Pro-life in deed, not merely in word, means we need policies that provide jobs and health insurance and support for prospective mothers.


Glen Stassen is the Lewis B. Smedes Professor of Christian Ethics at Fuller Theological Seminary, and the co-author of Kingdom Ethics: Following Jesus in Contemporary Context, Christianity Today's Book of the Year in theology or ethics.

 

[chalice_thunder]

KERRY

For no other reason than to call an abrupt halt to the tumultuous disaster that can only be described as "The Bush Presidency"

 

[ChrisB803]

I voted Bush (of course), because I believe that at this point, more than any other time in history, it is vital that America continue to be seen as strong and unwavering. I believe the choice to go into Iraq and remove Saddam Hussein was long overdue, and over time things will settle down and other nations will start getting involved in rebuilding the country.

On the domestic front I believe that Bush's tax cuts were the right move, that the economy is beginning to strengthen (and not any faux rebound either, but based on real and enduring strength). Technology is on the threshold of new breakthroughs that will drive real and lasting growth in that sector.

I can see no greater and more important election in the history of this country. We're faced with terrorists that can not be reasoned with, economic issues that can not be bought off with tax hikes, and a world of new developments that must be allowed to take root, not snuffed out by more beaurocratic red tape.

Go vote, let your voice be heard, and then let's get back together behind whoever wins and start doing what Americans have always done: Work harder, smarter, and better than anyone else!

God bless America!

 

[ChrisB803]

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Let me simplify for you. Bush can't do anything with foreign relations except hurt them, this basically dooms him in dealing with the war on terror. Kerry has something called "charisma" and his running mate has even more then him. "charisma" combine with "humility" and "intellegence" will get you things called "allies". "allies" are what help you fight "enemies", in this case the terrorists.

Really uber simplified

Bush = the world hates us with the power of a thousand suns
Kerry = the world might stop despising us.

The "World", as you so glibly generalized it, does not hate us. Some sections of the world are jealous of our wealth, and some feel we have abused our power (in a lot of cases they are justified in that view). To assume that a weak-spined poll-watching anti-war pansy like Kerry will be able to garner more support from other global leaders is wishful thinking at best. Run down the list of world leaders who support Bush:

Russia
Australia
Poland
Japan
Italy
and Britain

Kerry's list of endorsements, on the other hand, reads like a laundry list of American enemies and communist countries:

North Korea
Cuba
The PLA
And crossed fingers from Jacques Chirac and Gerhard Schroeder

Kerry had bragged earlier in the campaign that he had met with many world leaders who expressed their support for him, but when pressed to provide details as to when and who he suddenly clammed up.

Those are just some of the facts. Kerry has no track record in foreign relations. He may end up being great at it, but if I had to hazard a guess I'd say the only world leaders wanting Kerry to win are those who would like to see America fall apart.