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HeatherJay
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I say pick up your own cross and change the hearts of women in this situation as opposed to depending on legislation to do it for you. Do you remember how effective prohibition was in stopping the consumption of alcohol? You can't legislate morality. And attempts to do so breed contempt and rebellion.Godschosengirl said:i completely DISagree with this. If you are carring any sort of Icon above that designates that you are a follower of Christ Jesus, you should vote the way His Word says you should.
I think God values innocent life more than anything else. How any Christian could vote for someone that has voted against the ban on partial birth abortion and someone who receives money from abortionists is beyond my comprehension.
May God have mercy on our country...
Of course, this isn't a judgement on you personally...once again, just my opinion on the subject. And if you disagree, that's fine. You might want to be careful about any insinuations about who is or is not a Christian.
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HeatherJay said:I voted for Kerry because I agree more with him when it comes to domestic issues. As for the Iraq situation, the more I think about it, the more upset I get. I feel completely manipulated by the Bush admin and I think the manipulation is still going on...I absolutely hate the fact that he's trying to scare America into voting for him. I feel insulted everytime one of those types of 'threats' is issued.
With that said, those are my own personal opinions and not an attempt to start a debate. Just trying to specify why I voted the way I did. I know there are people who completely disagree with me, and that's fine. I think we all should vote our convictions.
Agreed this administration thinks we are all too stupid to see what they are doing. Too many lies, too many scandals. Cheny having secret meeting in the white house, the no-bid cheating Haliburton contracts--
the looting of social security,
lies to congress about the Medicare prescription plan cost,
bad enviormental policy--
Lies to the American Public about the war in Iraq,
getting rid of worker saftey laws, and cutting of overtime pay--
I am tired of the deceit. So of course I voted for Kerry
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feo
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Godschosengirl said:I think God values innocent life more than anything else. How any Christian could vote for someone that has voted against the ban on partial birth abortion and someone who receives money from abortionists is beyond my comprehension.
You're right, God does value innocent life. But quite honestly, Bush is HARDLY "pro-life". You can sit here and whine about abortion, but what about the thousands who die daily as a result of our economics? Or about the huge increase in abortions since Bush has been IN office?
I hate to break the news to ya, but electing a "republican" does NOTHING to solve the abortion problem in our country. If its one thing that history has taught us, its republicans do nothing to help with abortions.
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Gee, hate to veer away from all the Bush / Kerry bashing.... (which by the way, I am so tired of I could spit)
I went to a funeral this weekend. This man was known for his patriotic nature and love of this country. I developed even more respect for him when they announced that he had voted before he died!!
Say what you will about early voting - in this case, it was great!
I went to a funeral this weekend. This man was known for his patriotic nature and love of this country. I developed even more respect for him when they announced that he had voted before he died!!
Say what you will about early voting - in this case, it was great!
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AdJesumPerMariam
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My husband & I will be voting for GW. As far as who wins, I pray he be a Godly President who values life & liberty!
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Bush has proven again and again that he will go to any length and pass off any lie to promote his policies that mostly just benefit his rich friends... not average americans.
Bush says he's a good christian. I don't buy it. His tax and health policies benefit the wealthy. He lies about intelligence and sends other's sons and daughters to fight and die for him and kill thousands of innocents, while his friends companies get rich. His party then tries to prevent people from voting, most of which are poor or black. Are these the attributes of a good christian?
More likely his christian stance is just a selling point to get him elected. A sound bite to the faithful that desperately want a truly pious soul in the white house. It's not what he is. He is nothing but a deceiver who would use the name of God to ply his lies.
It's disappointing, because in general I vote republican and would prefer to do so. But I believe each candidate should be judged on their own, not just because their part of a party you otherwise like.
I don't think Kerry will change anything in Iraq. We're there, we need to clean up our mess. However, I'm hopeful that his domestic policies will improve the economy.
cheers,
Jim
Bush says he's a good christian. I don't buy it. His tax and health policies benefit the wealthy. He lies about intelligence and sends other's sons and daughters to fight and die for him and kill thousands of innocents, while his friends companies get rich. His party then tries to prevent people from voting, most of which are poor or black. Are these the attributes of a good christian?
More likely his christian stance is just a selling point to get him elected. A sound bite to the faithful that desperately want a truly pious soul in the white house. It's not what he is. He is nothing but a deceiver who would use the name of God to ply his lies.
It's disappointing, because in general I vote republican and would prefer to do so. But I believe each candidate should be judged on their own, not just because their part of a party you otherwise like.
I don't think Kerry will change anything in Iraq. We're there, we need to clean up our mess. However, I'm hopeful that his domestic policies will improve the economy.
cheers,
Jim
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Though I vote against Bush, he will stay anyway. Because this country is controlled by intelligence.
Prophecy (10/14)
Early this year, an article in World Journal caught my eye. The topic was: "Big prophecy for 2004". I am not a superstitious man. But five pictures with the article attracted me. They were: Eiffel Tower of Paris; Senator Edward Kennedy; Pope John Paul; Prince of Monaco Albert; ruin of ancient Rome.
It said, Canadian Anthony Carr, viewed as a modern Nostradamus, predicted that Eiffel Tower would collapse after an attack, Rome of Italy and California of US would have strong earthquake in 2004.
The following are the successful prediction he had made:
1. On 1/1/2001 and 8/14/01, Anthony twice said "There will be airplane accident in New York. Hundreds of people will die." That was 9/11 attack.
2. Same day on 1/1/2001, he said George W. Bush would bring war to the world soon after he became president. We all saw it.
3. In February 2002, he said Princess of Margaret would die in 2002.
4. In August 2002, he said Mad Cow disease would attack Canada and rapidly swept across US. All these prophecy came true. And also he had predicted the death of Princess Diana.
If someone had made the above prophecy one hundred years ago, or 50 years ago, or even 20 years ago, I would admit it was a prophecy. Because there were too much variables in a long period. But check these achievements. It came true within a year, some even within a month. It's much more a proclamation of a project of intelligence then an astrology. Assassination of celebrities; terror attack; war. All the work capable done by government inside group.
I talked about mad cow, alleged it was a bio-attack from intelligence in December 2003. (see "191. Framing a case in December (12/26/03)") I talked about for many times that government knew 911 attack in advance. (see "68. Ashcroft's revenge (5/31/02)") All these were written before January 2004 when I knew there was such an Anthony Carr and his prophecy from newspaper.
In the books of of former Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill, former counter terrorism adviser Richard Clark, Bob Woodward, Joseph Wilson we know from beginning when Bush entered White House, he determined to activate war. Outsiders observed phenomenon, insiders knew the detail. That's how Anthony Carr could make a prophecy. Or rather, to announce the plan of inside group in advance.
Now we go back to the great prophecy of 2004 by Anthony. It's still the assassination of celebrities, (Pope Paul, Edward Kennedy, Monaco Prince Albert) terror attack (Eiffel Tower), natural disaster (earthquake which could be induced, or created by modern technique).
Then why did they let out their plan by Anthony Carr? It's a psychological manipulation. Quite a lot of people believe in God. Prophecy will attribute all these events fatal. The prophecy will make that part of people believe what happens is natural.
You can also see Bush did the same thing. He always said what he did was God's will. As a matter of fact, media play the same role too. When brand name ABC, CNN, USA Today, Gallup..... constantly issued poll that Bush has an approve rate around 50% and leads over his rivalry despite Bush is a proved big lier, they are giving a prophecy too. This time it is for the rigged election. To make you believe the output of election is reasonable.
Anthony Carr doesn't need any reason to support his prediction. That's the advantage of a prophet. I predict sometime too on the purpose it won't happen. (such like the framed drug case even with specific date 6/19 , 9/2......) I always gave the reason why I thought in this way and with my analysis. I remind people from time to time "beware of pick pocket" so the thief won't steal for the time being.
I hope my revelation can prevent Anthony Carr's prophecy from happening.
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Prophecy (10/14)
Early this year, an article in World Journal caught my eye. The topic was: "Big prophecy for 2004". I am not a superstitious man. But five pictures with the article attracted me. They were: Eiffel Tower of Paris; Senator Edward Kennedy; Pope John Paul; Prince of Monaco Albert; ruin of ancient Rome.
It said, Canadian Anthony Carr, viewed as a modern Nostradamus, predicted that Eiffel Tower would collapse after an attack, Rome of Italy and California of US would have strong earthquake in 2004.
The following are the successful prediction he had made:
1. On 1/1/2001 and 8/14/01, Anthony twice said "There will be airplane accident in New York. Hundreds of people will die." That was 9/11 attack.
2. Same day on 1/1/2001, he said George W. Bush would bring war to the world soon after he became president. We all saw it.
3. In February 2002, he said Princess of Margaret would die in 2002.
4. In August 2002, he said Mad Cow disease would attack Canada and rapidly swept across US. All these prophecy came true. And also he had predicted the death of Princess Diana.
If someone had made the above prophecy one hundred years ago, or 50 years ago, or even 20 years ago, I would admit it was a prophecy. Because there were too much variables in a long period. But check these achievements. It came true within a year, some even within a month. It's much more a proclamation of a project of intelligence then an astrology. Assassination of celebrities; terror attack; war. All the work capable done by government inside group.
I talked about mad cow, alleged it was a bio-attack from intelligence in December 2003. (see "191. Framing a case in December (12/26/03)") I talked about for many times that government knew 911 attack in advance. (see "68. Ashcroft's revenge (5/31/02)") All these were written before January 2004 when I knew there was such an Anthony Carr and his prophecy from newspaper.
In the books of of former Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill, former counter terrorism adviser Richard Clark, Bob Woodward, Joseph Wilson we know from beginning when Bush entered White House, he determined to activate war. Outsiders observed phenomenon, insiders knew the detail. That's how Anthony Carr could make a prophecy. Or rather, to announce the plan of inside group in advance.
Now we go back to the great prophecy of 2004 by Anthony. It's still the assassination of celebrities, (Pope Paul, Edward Kennedy, Monaco Prince Albert) terror attack (Eiffel Tower), natural disaster (earthquake which could be induced, or created by modern technique).
Then why did they let out their plan by Anthony Carr? It's a psychological manipulation. Quite a lot of people believe in God. Prophecy will attribute all these events fatal. The prophecy will make that part of people believe what happens is natural.
You can also see Bush did the same thing. He always said what he did was God's will. As a matter of fact, media play the same role too. When brand name ABC, CNN, USA Today, Gallup..... constantly issued poll that Bush has an approve rate around 50% and leads over his rivalry despite Bush is a proved big lier, they are giving a prophecy too. This time it is for the rigged election. To make you believe the output of election is reasonable.
Anthony Carr doesn't need any reason to support his prediction. That's the advantage of a prophet. I predict sometime too on the purpose it won't happen. (such like the framed drug case even with specific date 6/19 , 9/2......) I always gave the reason why I thought in this way and with my analysis. I remind people from time to time "beware of pick pocket" so the thief won't steal for the time being.
I hope my revelation can prevent Anthony Carr's prophecy from happening.
http://hometown.aol.com/kathaksung/myhomepage/profile.html
http://hometown.aol.com/sunkat563/myhomepage/profile.html
http://hometown.aol.com/katsung563/myhomepage/profile.html
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Godschosengirl said:i completely DISagree with this. If you are carring any sort of Icon above that designates that you are a follower of Christ Jesus, you should vote the way His Word says you should.
I think God values innocent life more than anything else. How any Christian could vote for someone that has voted against the ban on partial birth abortion and someone who receives money from abortionists is beyond my comprehension.
May God have mercy on our country...
Bush certainly doesn't have the greatest track record for defending the rights of the pre-born. Under his administration Planned Parenthood is receiving more funding than under Clinton's.
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Mary_Magdalene
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HeatherJay said:
i do work to change the hearts of those women-i was one.
saying you cant legislate morality is a democratic "talking point". if that were true, there wouldnt be any laws. All laws stem from moral issues-murder, rape, child abuse... These are things in this country that some people think is ok, that doesnt mean we should not have laws against them.
as far as insinuating who or who is not a Christian, is not my job to do. I guess the Holy Spirit will have to work on that.
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Mary_Magdalene
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feo said:
statistics, please. back this up with facts. partial birth abortion is now banned. one small victory at a time to win the war.
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