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This is stemming off from a sub-sub-sub-sub-topic in the priestly celibacy thread.

The Bishop in my university's diocese recently died of Leukemia and so far the place is vacant. Two questions:

1) In the Catholic Church, who takes over as "interim Bishop" (for lack of a better title) during the vacancy (or does this depend on the diocese)

2) (my main question) how is a new Bishop elected? Directly by the Vatican or in cooperation wtih the Vatican and other Bishops in the area of the diocese in question?

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Xpycoctomos said:
This is stemming off from a sub-sub-sub-sub-topic in the priestly celibacy thread.

The Bishop in my jurisdiction recently died of Leukemia and so far the place is vacant. Two questions:

1) In the Catholic Church, who takes over as "interim Bishop" (for lack of a better title) during the vacancy (or does this depend on the diocese)

2) (my main question) how is a new Bishop elected? Directly by the Vatican or in cooperation wtih the Vatican and other Bishops in the area of the diocese in question?

Depends. You talking Latin Rite or one of the Eastern Rites?

When the Metropolitan of the Archeparchy of Pittsburgh died several years ago, the Pope could have appointed the new Metropolitan, but he allowed the Eparchy to appoint the new Metropolitan and then approved it (that might be an oversimplification, but I know the Pope did not simply step in and pick someone).
 
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So... then how do rengade bishops get elected if the Vatican Chooses them. From what I understand, the bishop of LA and his liberalism was of no surprise to anyone.. I mean, he had written things (books, articles, etc) and the same is true for this last bishop who, while a very good and God-fearing man, was not always in line with the Vatican... and this diocese as a result is very liberal. So I would ahve to think taht the diocese itself has some official say in who becomes bishop. Otherwise, the fault of liberal bishops would have to be the Vatican's and I can't believe that Vatican would ever appoint someone who is a renegade... right? Do you understand my confusion?

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As regarding several of the bishops in the United States of the Latin Rite, whom many see as overly liberal, some of which would dare to call heretical...

If the Pope allows the Holy Spirit to work through him when he selects Bishops to lead the flock in the various areas of the world, then perhaps the Holy Spirit is simply giving the people of that area what they deserve.

I think we can all agree that Saul wasn't a particularly good ruler of Israel, and God didn't exactly want kings to guide Israel either, but that's what they wanted, and that's what they got... and see where it got them.

I doubt you could throw Cardinal Ratzinger into a parish in San Francisco (for example) and expect things to go along all peachy, so you install someone who the people can relate to, and whom you know you can keep in check (I pretty sure the Pope keeps a pretty good eye on those Bishops he has installed) and who won't blow the flock up by sheer stupidity.
 
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When our Bishop was re-located, a Diocesan Administrator was appointed by a committee of Priest and lay people. Since May, we've been without a Spiritual Leader. The Diocesan Administrator does the duties of the everyday running of the Diocese, and does not do anything in regards to spritual matters of the diocese

From my understanding of the process, the local Diocese can put in several names for consideration, but that doesn't necessarily mean that they will be one of the chosen. The list then goes to the USCCB for further consideration and to add additional names as they see fit. The list then goes up to the Vatican for consideration.

We've been without a Bishop for almost a year. My understanding is the Baltimore Diocese was without a bishop for 18 months. So, for us to have a biship appointed here within the next several months would in itself be a miracle.
 
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nyj said:
As regarding several of the bishops in the United States of the Latin Rite, whom many see as overly liberal, some of which would dare to call heretical...

If the Pope allows the Holy Spirit to work through him when he selects Bishops to lead the flock in the various areas of the world, then perhaps the Holy Spirit is simply giving the people of that area what they deserve.

I think we can all agree that Saul wasn't a particularly good ruler of Israel, and God didn't exactly want kings to guide Israel either, but that's what they wanted, and that's what they got... and see where it got them.

I doubt you could throw Cardinal Ratzinger into a parish in San Francisco (for example) and expect things to go along all peachy, so you install someone who the people can relate to, and whom you know you can keep in check (I pretty sure the Pope keeps a pretty good eye on those Bishops he has installed) and who won't blow the flock up by sheer stupidity.
These are my thoughts as well.
 
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But, the policies set forth by such bishops leads the flock astray. I agree that there is a greater plan in everything.. but sometimes that greater plan is the Holy Spirit making a favorable situation out of a bad decision made by His people (appointing someone who does not represent the truth of the Church). Catholics do believe that Bishops can be heretical.. correct? (I'm not talking about the Pope here... I already know the Catholic answer to that)

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Xpycoctomos said:
But, the policies set forth by such bishops leads the flock astray. I agree that there is a greater plan in everything.. but sometimes that greater plan is the Holy Spirit making a favorable situation out of a bad decision made by His people (appointing someone who does not represent the truth of the Church). Catholics do believe that Bishops can be heretical.. correct? (I'm not talking about the Pope here... I already know the Catholic answer to that)

Yes, I suppose it's possible that Bishops may be (or turn) heretical, though I'm not going to render a decision on any of the Bishops I know, or have heard about, as it's simply not my decision or judgment to make.

The question that must be asked IMO however is... for the flock that is being lead astray... were they already hurtling towards the cliff?
 
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That's a good question.. but I don't believe the Pope would ever do anything to let them keep "hurtling towards the cliff". I hope the vatican's policy isn't "give them what they want/deserve" but rather what they need... and I would have to think that at all times that is to have a bishop who is compassionate and inline with Catholic teaching on the Sacraments and fundamental social issues such as abortion, homosexuality and the like. I'm not trying to question the Vatican or Her intent by any means. There is just something that is missing in this equation.. is it that the local diocese has more say and power than I would have thought???? (someone already kind of suggested that, I think).
 
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Some dioceses, particularly archdioceses, have an auxiliary bishop, whose basic job is to help the bishop run the diocese. He may often be viewed as the potential successor to the current bishop, although ours is an older bishop who is retired.

Every bishop, though, must be bishop of somewhere, so auxiliary bishops are bishops of sees which either no longer exists or where there are currently no Catholics.
 
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Paul S said:
Every bishop, though, must be bishop of somewhere, so auxiliary bishops are bishops of sees which either no longer exists or where there are currently no Catholics.

hmm thats interesting. so are these bishops, bishops of the antarctica or something? im gonna have to look that up :D
 
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They split antartica up into 500 tiny diocese so they would have enough room for the retired bishops.:p

(I'm jsut having fun, I'm not making fun of the practice. I can understand this: "Once a bishop, always a Bishop"... it's not just some job you leave)
 
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Canon Law on the Election of Bishops:

Can. 375 §1 By divine institution, Bishops succeed the Apostles through the Holy Spirit who is given to them. They are constituted Pastors in the Church, to be the teachers of doctrine, the priests of sacred worship and the ministers of governance.

§2 By their episcopal consecration, Bishops receive, together with the office of sanctifying, the offices also of teaching and of ruling, which however, by their nature, can be exercised only in hierarchical communion with the head of the College and its members.

Can. 376 Bishops to whom the care of a given diocese is entrusted are called diocesan Bishops; the others are called titular Bishops.

Can. 377 §1 The Supreme Pontiff freely appoints Bishops or confirms those lawfully elected.

§2 At least every three years, the Bishops of an ecclesiastical province or, if circumstances suggest it, of an Episcopal Conference, are to draw up, by common accord and in secret, a list of priests, even of members of institutes of consecrated life, who are suitable for the episcopate; they are to send this list to the Apostolic See. This is without prejudice to the right of every Bishop individually to make known to the Apostolic See the names of priests whom he thinks are worthy and suitable for the episcopal office.

§3 Unless it has been lawfully prescribed otherwise, for the appointment of a diocesan Bishop or a coadjutor Bishop, a ternus, as it is called, is to be proposed to the Apostolic See. In the preparation of this list, it is the responsibility of the papal Legate to seek individually the suggestions of the Metropolitan and of the Suffragans of the province to which the diocese in question belongs or with which it is joined in some grouping, as well as the suggestions of the president of the Episcopal Conference. The papal Legate is, moreover, to hear the views of some members of the college of consultors and of the cathedral chapter. If he judges it expedient, he is also to seek individually, and in secret, the opinions of other clerics, both secular and religious, and of lay persons of outstanding wisdom. He is then to send these suggestions, together with his own opinion, to the Apostolic See.

§4 Unless it has been lawfully provided otherwise, the diocesan Bishop who judges that his diocese requires an auxiliary Bishop, is to propose to the Apostolic See a list of the names of at least three priests suitable for this office .

§5 For the future, no rights or privileges of election, appointment, presentation or designation of Bishops are conceded to civil authorities.

Can. 378 §1 To be a suitable candidate for the episcopate, a person must:

1° be outstanding in strong faith, good morals, piety, zeal for souls, wisdom, prudence and human virtues, and possess those other gifts which equip him to fulfill the office in question;

2° be held in good esteem;

3° be at least 35 years old;

4° be a priest ordained for at least five years;

5° hold a doctorate or at least a licentiate in sacred Scripture, theology or canon law, from an institute of higher studies approved by the Apostolic See, or at least be well versed in these disciplines.

§2 The definitive judgment on the suitability of the person to be promoted rests with the Apostolic See.

Can. 379 Unless prevented by a lawful reason, one who is promoted to the episcopate must receive episcopal consecration within three months of receiving the apostolic letters, and in fact before he takes possession of his office.

Can. 380 Before taking canonical possession of his office, he who has been promoted is to make the profession of faith and take the oath of fidelity to the Apostolic See, in accordance with the formula approved by the same Apostolic See.
 
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BjBarnett said:
hmm thats interesting. so are these bishops, bishops of the antarctica or something? im gonna have to look that up :D
If there is a diocease in Antartica, it depends on whether Iceland has a Diocease because they would more than likely be part of them. Definately not Alaska as I think they would be part of the San Francisco Archdiocease. Too far and not part of the U.S.

Yes, a person must be a Bishop in order to be appointed a Bishop of a Diocease. So, if someone, who is a Priest or Monseignor is to be appointed Bishop, then they are appointed, forgive me if I'm wrong, I believe they must be Ordained to Bishop, then appointed to the possition. It's a rarieity, but it's not unheard of.
 
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