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Eldad and Medad

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In Numbers 11:26 we see something very interesting, we are told there are 2 men in the camp prophesying, one whose name is Eldad, and one whose name is Medad. It says the Spirit rested upon them, and we are also told that these are those that were written. I believe these 2 were shown to represent Gods 2 anointed witnesses, as are also seen in Revelation 11:3. But the interesting thing is that prior to this there is no mention of them, or was there?
Many will debate who Gods 2 anointed witnesses really are, but the scriptures tell us it is God’s Word and Spirit. Let’s take a look and see who these 2 witnesses are by looking to the meaning of their names. The meaning of Eldad is God has loved, and the meaning of Medad is Love.
With that in mind let’s go to Matthew 3:17; this is after Jesus was baptized and was coming up out of the water and the Spirit rests upon him. Then they hear Gods voice and he says; “this is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. Remember Eldad means God has loved, and whom has he loved? It is His Son , which is His Word. Now Medad simply means Love.
In 1 John 4:8 John tells us here that God is Love. So you see in this that God will bear witness of Himself, by way of His own Word and Spirit. In 1 John 5:7 it says there are three that bear witness in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost and these three are one. Now God may put his Word and Spirit in the vessel of a man, or men, but it is the same Word and same Spirit who works in all to the Glory of God.
If you are still not convinced about the 2 witnesses we will go to Revelations 11:3 and 4. Here we see the prophecy of Gods 2 witnesses, in verse 4 it says that these are the two olive trees and candlesticks standing before the God of the earth. These are like those who sit at the right and left hand of God, who also testify of the things of God.
Now these 2 olive trees and candle sticks can be seen in Zechariah 4:3, here we see the 2 olive trees, one on the right and one on the left. And in 4:11 we see them again, and Zechariah asks the angel of the Lord what these were, and in verse 14 he replies these are the two anointed ones that stand by the Lord of the whole earth. This was the second time Zechariah had asked this question, and if you go back to 4:4 we will see what the angel told him; pay close attention to the wording the angel uses here.
The angel replies in verse 5, don’t you know who these be? And Zechariah tells him no, in verse 6 the angel gives the answer, but in so many words. Take notice of the 2 things the Lord uses to deliver his message to Zerubbabel; “This is the Word of the Lord unto Zerubbabal, saying, not by might, nor by power, but by my Spirit, saith the Lord of hosts.” This was the angel’s answer to Zechariah’s question, but Zechariah did not see it. Even Jesus gave us a hint to this mystery, when he said that he would sit at the right hand of the Father.
When you begin to put all the pieces together, you begin to see the whole picture. So in truth, whosoever has the indwelling Christ, which is the Word of God in them, and who also are baptized of the Holy Spirit of God; then they also become a witness of the Truth in God.
So it is not that we alone bear witness of God, but it is also God who bears witness of Himself through us. Just as it is not the messenger that is important, but rather the message. So these that were written of, were a sign of those who were from the beginning, which were also with the Father in the beginning.
1 John 5:10
He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.


 
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Great post InSpiritInTruth (ah gees, I had a few minutes till I take off again) but would make sense, in that just as love edifies so also he who prophesies speak to men unto their edification too.

On the one hand the young man went running to tell him "to forbid them" prophesying whereas Paul on the other hand says "to covet to prophesy".

And we are made accepted in the beloved. I suppose you could even say both the Father and the Son in a sense in how you are showing it.

2John 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God.

He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.

Not sure if that would work figured Id ask

God bless you brother
 
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Great post InSpiritInTruth (ah gees, I had a few minutes till I take off again) but would make sense, in that just as love edifies so also he who prophesies speak to men unto their edification too.

On the one hand the young man went running to tell him "to forbid them" prophesying whereas Paul on the other hand says "to covet to prophesy".

And we are made accepted in the beloved. I suppose you could even say both the Father and the Son in a sense in how you are showing it.

2John 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God.

He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.

Not sure if that would work figured Id ask

God bless you brother

Yes that's very good Sis:thumbsup:

Yes that speaks of the same, as Jesus said in John 17:21;"That they may be one; as thou, Father, are in Me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us:"

Did you notice how those 2 prophesied in the camp, while the others prophesied outside the camp.

The camp refers to where the heavenly host is, while outside the camp is our present earthly location.

Alot of meaty parts in that one.:cool:
 
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Yes that's very good Sis:thumbsup:

Yes that speaks of the same, as Jesus said in John 17:21;"That they may be one; as thou, Father, are in Me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us:"

Did you notice how those 2 prophesied in the camp, while the others prophesied outside the camp.

The camp refers to where the heavenly host is, while outside the camp is our present earthly location.

Alot of meaty parts in that one.:cool:

I would have missed that one bro, I gotta ease my way back into spiritual things and shake off former discussions ^_^

Is there a way to work the same things (somehow) into "without the camp" as shown in Hebrews?

(yah.. Im home, I thought this day would never end...woohoo!)

Give me your meaty parts Im listening lol

((hugs)) God bless you brother
 
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I would have missed that one bro, I gotta ease my way back into spiritual things and shake off former discussions ^_^

Is there a way to work the same things (somehow) into "without the camp" as shown in Hebrews?

(yah.. Im home, I thought this day would never end...woohoo!)

Give me your meaty parts Im listening lol

((hugs)) God bless you brother

Out side the camp is where the unclean where kept until made clean.

It was also the place where the fleshy parts of the beasts were put off and burned.

Just as we have to put off our old fleshy minded man before we can enter into the heavenly camp with our new clean garments.

Hebrews 13:11
For the bodies of those beasts, whose blood is brought into the sanctuary by the high priest for sin, are burned without the camp.

Jesus was crucified without the gate of the camp.

And we are to take up our cross and follow him without the camp.

Hebrews 13:13
Let us go forth therefore unto him without the camp, bearing his reproach.:thumbsup:
 
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Out side the camp is where the unclean where kept until made clean.

It was also the place where the fleshy parts of the beasts were put off and burned.

Just as we have to put off our old fleshy minded man before we can enter into the heavenly camp with our new clean garments.

Hebrews 13:11
For the bodies of those beasts, whose blood is brought into the sanctuary by the high priest for sin, are burned without the camp.

Jesus was crucified without the gate of the camp.

And we are to take up our cross and follow him without the camp.

Hebrews 13:13
Let us go forth therefore unto him without the camp, bearing his reproach.:thumbsup:

Gotcha bro, I can catch these you just showed. But how about the same as they might pertain to "prophesying" within and without the camp? And yet of the Word and Spirit "within" the vessel of a man?

I guess I was trying to throw the two into one thought, but maybe they cant be combined in that manner, I sure cant say I know.

Like I can catch how Hebrews is showing it, but was wondering if that within and without the camp (as it pertains to prophesying) can fit into the same within (and without the camp) shown in Hebrews.

I do that though, I try to fit square blocks into round holes at times, or seek to compare wrongly, so forgive me if I am doing this here ^_^

God bless you brother
 
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Gotcha bro, I can catch these you just showed. But how about the same as they might pertain to "prophesying" within and without the camp? And yet of the Word and Spirit "within" the vessel of a man?

I guess I was trying to throw the two into one thought, but maybe they cant be combined in that manner, I sure cant say I know.

Like I can catch how Hebrews is showing it, but was wondering if that within and without the camp (as it pertains to prophesying) can fit into the same within (and without the camp) shown in Hebrews.

I do that though, I try to fit square blocks into round holes at times, or seek to compare wrongly, so forgive me if I am doing this here ^_^

God bless you brother

Sure they can, the heavenly witness(in the camp) came down into the earthly witness(outside the camp).

Word made flesh.:idea:
 
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Sure they can, the heavenly witness(in the camp) came down into the earthly witness(outside the camp).

Word made flesh.:idea:

Much better ^_^ See? I got to press ya and then you come right out with it (and very simply too I might add). I knew you had it in ya bro:thumbsup:

Thank you InSpiritInTruth, God bless you brother
 
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Here's another I like.

Leviticus 6:11
And he shall put off his garments, and put on other garments, and carry forth the ashes without the camp unto a clean place.

In John 20:14 when Mary came to the sepulchre she saw Jesus standing there, but she didn't know it was Jesus.

And then in John 20:17 Jesus tells Mary "Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father."

And then later the same day in John 20:19 we see Jesus return to his disciples in the old image of Jesus which they knew, because he showed them the wounds in his hands and side.

I believe this is showing the changing of the garments.:thumbsup:
 
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I probrobly cant see that one given the passage of Leviticus so well, but pretty kool nonetheless, given he appears in a different form, either with them knowing him or not knowing him after the flesh.

Just as when he speaking to Mary (who he called at first, "woman") she (there) is supposing him to be the gardener (not reccognising him) until he calls her by name, he says, "Mary" turning herself reccognizing him, I love that part.

God bless you bro
 
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I probrobly cant see that one given the passage of Leviticus so well, but pretty kool nonetheless, given he appears in a different form, either with them knowing him or not knowing him after the flesh.

Just as when he speaking to Mary (who he called at first, "woman") she (there) is supposing him to be the gardener (not reccognising him) until he calls her by name, he says, "Mary" turning herself reccognizing him, I love that part.

God bless you bro

Yeah its hard to tie that in with the other, but I feel it is all related somehow to the atonement the priest was making in the law. You see the ever burning fire upon the altar, and the ashes being put in a clean place.

It sounds alot like the atonement made in Numbers 19:9
And a man that is clean shall gather up the ashes of the heifer, and lay them up without the camp in a clean place, and it shall be kept for the congregation of the children of Israel for a water of separation: it is a purification for sin.

I wrote a post a while back about the golden calf, the heifer, and the harlot; which seem to speak of the day of Atonement. But I don't know how all that would fit into Jesus changing garments?

Unless it is the sign of the Lord's saints putting on their beautiful garments at a specific point in time.

That stuff is hard to discern, and I can't piece it all together just yet.:confused:
 
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I know what ain't the clean place without the camp.

Deuteronomy 23:12-13

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12Thou shalt have a place also without the camp, whither thou shalt go forth abroad: 13And thou shalt have a paddle upon thy weapon; and it shall be, when thou wilt ease thyself abroad, thou shalt dig therewith, and shalt turn back and cover that which cometh from thee:

Watch your step!:eek:
 
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Yeah its hard to tie that in with the other, but I feel it is all related somehow to the atonement the priest was making in the law. You see the ever burning fire upon the altar, and the ashes being put in a clean place.

It sounds alot like the atonement made in Numbers 19:9
And a man that is clean shall gather up the ashes of the heifer, and lay them up without the camp in a clean place, and it shall be kept for the congregation of the children of Israel for a water of separation: it is a purification for sin.

I wrote a post a while back about the golden calf, the heifer, and the harlot; which seem to speak of the day of Atonement. But I don't know how all that would fit into Jesus changing garments?

Unless it is the sign of the Lord's saints putting on their beautiful garments at a specific point in time.

That stuff is hard to discern, and I can't piece it all together just yet.:confused:

I cant either my bro I just see pieces too, and say to myself, does this fit in here or here? Sometimes I can only guess and not be so sure, othertimes I can be sure but not certain yet how to show it. I hit and miss myself, I do my best in trying to handle the word of truth and compare things but there is just so much in the scriptures. I sure havent contemplated all of them, and I want to be sure I am rightly dividing things and not mixing things together. Because I could do either really if Im not careful. But really, I'm trying to develope my skill but I am far from the most skillful here. And I can rarely add much of anything to what you post.

Still love reading how you contemplate on the word, heck, I love anything that proves Jesus is the Christ too.

I noticed Apollos could do that but after he was mighty in the scripture and knowing only the baptism of John. Afterward he could prove Jesus was the Christ. Now (to me) "wow" thats such a power gift (to be capable of such persuasion Christ-ward).

Its so exciting seeing Christ proven and yet a thing to covet in itself to have such a gift to do so too.

You are a blessing, God bless you brother
 
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I know what ain't the clean place without the camp.

Deuteronomy 23:12-13

King James Version (KJV)


12Thou shalt have a place also without the camp, whither thou shalt go forth abroad: 13And thou shalt have a paddle upon thy weapon; and it shall be, when thou wilt ease thyself abroad, thou shalt dig therewith, and shalt turn back and cover that which cometh from thee:

Watch your step!:eek:


Gross ^_^ Must I?

Cant I just use one of these--->
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:p
 
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