EGW prophet

[freeindeed2]

I did a quick search of EGW writings - only 15 references to Jupiter. Mostly having to do with the Greek god Jupiter and not the planet.

Volume 1 of her biography page 113:
The Spirit of God rested upon us in Brother C.'s humble
dwelling, and I was wrapt in a vision of God's glory, and for the
first time had a view of other planets. After I came out of vision I
related what I had seen.--Ibid., p. 239. {1BIO 113.2}
Actually, during the vision, wholly unbeknown to her, she spoke of what was passing before her. J. N. Loughborough recounted in print the description of the meeting as Bates told it to him: {1BIO 113.3}
Mrs. White, while in vision, began to talk about the stars,
giving a glowing description of rosy-tinted belts which she saw
across the surface of some planet, and added, "I see four
moons." {1BIO 113.4}

"Oh," said Elder Bates, "she is viewing Jupiter!"
Then having made motions as though traveling through
space, she began giving a description of belts and rings in their
ever-varying beauty, and said, "I see seven moons." {1BIO 113.5}
Elder Bates exclaimed, "She is describing Saturn." {1BIO 113.6}
Next came the description of Uranus, with its six moons; then
a wonderful description of the "opening heavens," with its
glory, calling it an opening into a region more enlightened. Elder
Bates said that her description far surpassed any account of the
opening heavens he had ever read from any author. {1BIO 113.7}

If she really were seeing Saturn and it was from God she would have seen many more moons (I believe it's 60+) instead of just touting the common thought of the day. Also, this was the convincing evidence for Bates to let go of his doubts about her and accept her as a 'prophetess', even though what she saw was incorrect. Pretty convenient endorsement!

In CHRIST alone...

 

[mva1985]

That's what Chrisbot is for!

http://christianforums.com/f111-chat-with-chrisbot.html

Thanks for the heads up!

 

[mva1985]

If she really were seeing Saturn and it was from God she would have seen many more moons (I believe it's 60+) instead of just touting the common thought of the day. Also, this was the convincing evidence for Bates to let go of his doubts about her and accept her as a 'prophetess', even though what she saw was incorrect. Pretty convenient endorsement!

In CHRIST alone...

Free, I understand what you are saying, but of course they had not discovered all of those moons at the time.

You know that the Biblical definition of Pi is 3, when in actuality it is 3.1415926...... But that does not make the Bible any less relevant to us.

 

[freeindeed2]

Free, I understand what you are saying, but of course they had not discovered all of those moons at the time.

You know that the Biblical definition of Pi is 3, when in actuality it is 3.1415926...... But that does not make the Bible any less relevant to us.

You're concurring that God used incorrect or mis-information to convince Bates of EGW being a 'true prophetess'?

In CHRIST alone...

 

[mva1985]

You're concurring that God used incorrect or mis-information to convince Bates of EGW being a 'true prophetess'?

In CHRIST alone...

So the whole Bible being wrong about Pi is not a problem for you?

Is that not mis-information?

 

[DeanM]

So the whole Bible being wrong about Pi is not a problem for you?

Is that not mis-information?

Strictly speaking, the bible is not innaccurate in this regard.

http://www.angelfire.com/my/elliott83/BiblePi.html

http://mathworld.wolfram.com/Accuracy.html

 

[mva1985]

Strictly speaking, the bible is not innaccurate in this regard.

http://www.angelfire.com/my/elliott83/BiblePi.html

http://mathworld.wolfram.com/Accuracy.html

Interesting links - Thanks!!!!

 

[freeindeed2]

So the whole Bible being wrong about Pi is not a problem for you?

Is that not mis-information?

MVA, this is a classic SDA defense of EGW. Try to tear down Scripture to defend her. You're above this, right?

In CHRIST alone...

 

[OntheDL]

I would like to know who made EGW a prophet and why? how many things that she supposidily prophecied have come about.

Is that a rhetorical question?

Do you need to have others confirm what you want to believe?

 

[RC_NewProtestants]

Free, I understand what you are saying, but of course they had not discovered all of those moons at the time.

You know that the Biblical definition of Pi is 3, when in actuality it is 3.1415926...... But that does not make the Bible any less relevant to us.

That has got to be one of the least intelligent things I have seen produced on here by MVA

 

[Lebesgue]

If she really were seeing Saturn and it was from God she would have seen many more moons (I believe it's 60+) instead of just touting the common thought of the day. Also, this was the convincing evidence for Bates to let go of his doubts about her and accept her as a 'prophetess', even though what she saw was incorrect. Pretty convenient endorsement!

In CHRIST alone...

Prior to that "vision", Bates had believed that Ellen's "visions" were due to the "protracted debilitated state of her mind and body".

Bates was also an avid astronomer so this "vision" woulda been right up his alley.

Interesting tidbit. Did you know that Bates was the one who told Ellen about the Sabbath? But she would not accept the Sabbath until she had a "vision" about it.
The one where she "saw" the Ark in Heaven with the 4th Commandment with a glowing halo of light around it.

 

[OntheDL]

Instead of working your own salvation with trembling and fear, you guys specialize on tearing down others.

 

[freeindeed2]

Instead of working your own salvation with trembling and fear, you guys specialize on tearing down others.

Salvation is IN Christ alone, not through our own works. He accomplished it on our behalf. Do you disagree?

In CHRIST alone...

 

[NightEternal]

Instead of working your own salvation with trembling and fear, you guys specialize on tearing down others.

You aren't in Kansas anymore Dorothy. We actually have free and open discussion on any topic we wish in here, unfettered and unhindered by the likes of you.

So, if you don't like it...

There's the door. Tradland over there awaits you with open arms.

 

[Lebesgue]

You aren't in Kansas anymore Dorothy. We actually have free and open discussion on any topic we wish in here, unfettered and unhindered by the likes of you.

So, if you don't like it...

There's the door. Tradland over there awaits you with open arms.

THUNDERING APPLAUSE!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Mankin]

Instead of working your own salvation with trembling and fear, you guys specialize on tearing down others.

And where in the Bible does it say you have to work your own salvation with trembling and fear? Oh no verse so report for you!

 

[RC_NewProtestants]

It is interesting how some people are prone to taking unclear verses and making them weapons to denigrate others. Such as working out your salvation in fear and trembling. It is in the Bible but it is not likely the meaning would fall under a statement such as:

Originally Posted by OntheDL
Instead of working your own salvation with trembling and fear, you guys specialize on tearing down others.

PHP 2:12 Therefore, my dear friends, as you have always obeyed--not only in my presence, but now much more in my absence--continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling,

PHP 2:13 for it is God who works in you to will and to act according to his good purpose.

As the Expositor's Bible commentary says:

The specific exhortation was to work out their own salvation. The biblical concept of salvation needs to be understood in order to comprehend Paul's intent here. Salvation has many aspects, including a present one. Regeneration initiates the believer into a life with obligations. Acknowledging Jesus Christ as Lord obligates the believer to obey him. Hence, working out salvation does not mean "working for" salvation, but making salvation operational. Justification must be followed by the experiential aspects of sanctification, by which the new life in Christ is consciously appropriated and demonstrated. The emphasis on "your" salvation ("your own," KJV) may reflect the circumstance that Paul wished to visit Philippi to advance them spiritually. In the event that he could not, they must not depend on him but must work out their spiritual progress, because the same Lord who would work through Paul also worked in them.
"With fear and trembling" is no contradiction of the joyful spirit permeating this letter. Christian joy is the experience of every believer in God's will, but holy fear of God that trembles at the thought of sin is also the attitude of the careful Christian dames 4:8-10).

 

[mva1985]

And where in the Bible does it say you have to work your own salvation with trembling and fear? Oh no verse so report for you!

Philippians 2
"12 Therefore, my dear friends, as you have always obeyed—not only in my presence, but now much more in my absence—continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling, 13 for it is God who works in you to will and to act according to his good purpose."

 

[freeindeed2]

Philippians 2
"12 Therefore, my dear friends, as you have always obeyed—not only in my presence, but now much more in my absence—continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling, 13 for it is God who works in you to will and to act according to his good purpose."

...for it is God who works in you to will and to act according to his good purpose

Which part of this YOU 'working'?

In CHRIST alone...

 

[NightEternal]

It is interesting how some people are prone to taking unclear verses and making them weapons to denigrate others. Such as working out your salvation in fear and trembling.

Pretty much RC. This is one of the most notorious proof-texts that sinless perfectionists use to promote, hammer and force thier heresy on unsuspecting Adventists in the church. If I have seen it used once I have seen it used a hundred times in my Adventist experience.

Another oft-used one they manipulate out of context to put the smack-down on anyone who dares to trust in Christ's righteousness and perfect works on thier behalf, is the one that speaks of 'resisting unto blood'.

I remember Morris Venden's sermon on this very topic. It was called The Devil's Favorite Texts.