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Editor of Charisma takes stand against Bentley's actions; Rick Joyner fires back

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Lee Grady's editorial:

http://charismamag.com/index.php/fire-in-my-bones/20005-the-tragic-scandal-of-greasy-grace

This week's announcement about evangelist Todd Bentley's hasty remarriage and restoration is sending a confusing message to the church.

I groaned when I learned early this week that Canadian preacher Todd Bentley, leader of the controversial Lakeland Revival, had decided to divorce his wife, Shonnah, and marry his former ministry intern, Jessa Hasbrook. The news surfaced after almost nine months of silence and speculation, during which time the board of Bentley's Fresh Fire Ministries in British Columbia publicly scolded him for committing adultery.


In a statement released March 10 by Rick Joyner, the popular author and minister who is overseeing Bentley's restoration process, we were told that (1) Bentley married his new wife several weeks ago and moved to Joyner's base in Fort Mill, S.C.; (2) Todd and Jessa agree that their relationship was "wrong and premature" and that it "should not have happened the way it did"; (3) Bentley will remain out of public ministry while he seeks healing; and (4) Joyner will oversee the healing process with input from Dallas pastor Jack Deere and California pastor Bill Johnson. (Read Rick Joyner's response to this column.)

"Many of us have rejected biblical discipline and adopted a sweet, spineless love that cannot correct."

It was also announced that Bentley plans to relaunch his ministry, called Fresh Fire USA, in Fort Mill, and that Joyner is now collecting donations from supporters to help rebuild it. (The Canadian ministry Bentley started has now been renamed Transform International, and it has severed ties with the evangelist.)


In a few places in his statement Joyner expressed tough love, especially when he said: "We know that trust has to be earned and that Todd will have to earn the trust of the body of Christ for future ministry, which will not be easy, nor should it be." He also made it clear that true repentance and restoration "can only come if we refuse to compromise the clear biblical standards for morality and integrity."


But there were some glaring omissions in the statements released this week that indicate a fundamental weakness in our freestyle approach to "restoring" fallen leaders.


First of all, it is outrageous that Shonnah Bentley, Todd's first wife, does not seem to be an issue in the current discussion. Her name is never mentioned in Joyner's statement—while Todd is mentioned 18 times. We are never told how Shonnah is handling the divorce. How will she manage to care for the three children she and Todd share? She and the kids seem invisible in this process. Yet if anyone needs healing and restoration, is it not the other half of this broken family?


Second, we charismatics still seem to have a habit of elevating gifting above character. It's almost as if the end justifies the means. (So what if a preacher ruins one marriage and makes a hasty decision to marry a younger woman—the important thing is that we get him back in the pulpit to heal the sick!) That is a perversion of biblical integrity. God can anoint any man or woman with the Holy Spirit's power; what He is looking for are vessels of honor that can carry that anointing with dignity, humility and purity.


What is most deplorable about this latest installment in the Bentley scandal is the lack of true remorse. In his own statement, Bentley apologizes for his actions and says he "takes full responsibility for my part for the ending of the marriage." But how can he be taking "full responsibility" if he willingly chose to have a girlfriend on the side—and then married her immediately after his divorce was final? Why did he hide for several months when he should have been listening to counsel and seeking reconciliation with his first wife?


Many Christians today have rejected biblical discipline and adopted a sweet, spineless love that cannot correct. Our grace is greasy. No matter what an offending brother does, we stroke him and pet him and nurse his wounds while we ignore the people he wounded. No matter how heinous his sin, we offer comforting platitudes because, after all, who are we to judge?

When the apostle Paul learned that a member of the Corinthian church was in an immoral relationship with his father's wife, he did not rush to comfort the man. He told the Corinthians: "You have become arrogant and have not mourned instead, so that the one who had done this deed would be removed from your midst" (I Cor. 5:2). Sometimes we must draw a ruthless sword in order to bring genuine healing. The "wounds of a friend" are faithful to bring conviction and true repentance (see Prov. 27:6).


Paul actually delivered the unrepentant Corinthian man to Satan "for the destruction of his flesh" (5:5) so that he could be saved. That does not sound very nice. Many today would call Paul's tactic harsh and legalistic. But that is because we have lost any true sense of the fear of the Lord—and we don't realize that our laxness about God's standards is a perversion of His mercy. When the sin is severe, the public rebuke must be severe.


In all the discussion of Bentley and the demise of the Lakeland Revival, I am waiting to hear the sound of sackcloth ripping into shreds. We should be weeping. We should be rending our hearts—as God commanded Israel when they fell into sin (see Joel 2: 13-14). To give guidance to a confused church, our leaders should have publicly decried the Lakeland disaster while at the same time helping both Todd and Shonnah to heal.


We have not mourned this travesty. We have not been shocked and appalled that such sin has been named among us. We act as if flippant divorce and remarriage are minor infractions—when in actuality they are such serious moral failures that they can bring disqualification.


If we truly love Todd Bentley, we will not clamor for his quick return to the pulpit. While we certainly want him to be fully restored to fellowship with God, we cannot rush the process of restoring a man to ministry. Leaders must live up to a higher standard. We must demand that those involved in Bentley's restoration not only love him but also love the church by protecting us from the kind of scandal we endured last year.


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And now, Rick Joyner's response ...


http://charismamag.com/index.php/component/content/article/20035

(Rev. Rick Joyner of Morningstar Ministries sent this response on March 12, 2009)


Lee, I think what you call "the Lakeland disaster" would be disputed by multitudes of people who got healed or touched there. If you are such judge of this what gives you the credentials? What moves of God have you led? What have you built? Paul the apostle claimed to have authority for building and for tearing down, but what gives you authority to tear down the work of others is having built something yourself.

I, Todd, Bill [Johnson] and Jack [Deere] all know this is a very serious matter, and are treating it as such. I am deeply offended that you would call our work "a travesty." The Lord had far more grace for sinners than for the self-righteous, who He had no grace for at all. I am personally far more concerned for you than for Todd.

Lee, I love some of the things you write, but I also feel that some are straight from the mouth of the accuser. I do think you have done at least as much damage to the church as Todd's fall has by your unrighteous and unfair judgments. I don't think you have earned the credentials for it, and you're putting yourself in far more jeopardy by trying to be such a self-appointed judge.

I'm quite sure you will misunderstand what I'm saying, and I'm definitely not implying that we want to cover anything up, or promote cheap grace. We have just started the process and its being judged negatively. Give us some time, and some grace. Grace is, by the way, something we are supposed to be giving to each other.

If you care to follow this, Todd and I will be doing Video Special Bulleting each week that will be posted on our website, U-Tube, and carried by many others. These will be short, like the first, only about 10 minutes, but we want to cover the mistakes Todd has made, and as much as we can in the time we have, how he fell into some of the traps he did, strictly for helping others to not have to go through what Todd has. He will no doubt be doing a lot of public apologizing during this time because the public deserves these apologies.

I think you owe Todd, myself, Bill, and Jack apologies for your presumptuous judgments. I think they should be as public as this letter was. If not, I feel that I will have to address this publicly, and I don't think that is in your best interest.

I also think you need to come down and spend some time with Todd and me. If you have problems with someone we have Matt.18 as a guide to how we should deal with them. Read the first part of that chapter. This was given to help protect people from becoming stumbling blocks, which the Lord made quite clear was something we do not want to be. If you think being a journalist exempts you from complying with Scripture, I would like to know what philosophy you have bought into that trumps Scripture.

Sorry if this comes across as harsh. I don't mean for it too but I am quite busy and just don't have the time that I would like to maybe be a bit more tactful.
 

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Not that it really matters who I agree with but I agree with Lee.

I must say I'm surprised by Joyner's response. Rather childish I think...demanding apology and such. Then the attempt to blame shift. Turn the shift from Todd to Lee...making Lee the fallen instead of Todd.
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Not that it really matters who I agree with but I agree with Lee.

I must say I'm surprised by Joyner's response. Rather childish I think...demanding apology and such. Then the attempt to blame shift. Turn the shift from Todd to Lee...making Lee the fallen instead of Todd.
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Wow!

But you don't understand - Lee IS the fallen.

Todd is the innocent one in all this. Todd didn't do anything wrong.

Everybody else did.

Poor Todd. All those mean people. :cry:

Nobody loves him. Everybody hates him.

I think he's gonna go and eat some worms.
 
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read that response from joyner.

seriously, RE-READ THAT RESPONSE.

notice anything "familar" in there?

"accusser of the brethern."

"judge not, touch not my annointed."

"what have YOU done?"

is it possible joyner is a CF member?!

:scratch:

That's exactly what I was thinking. It's eerie and frightening, the similarities.
 
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no, i'm sorry, it's really not.

it's disgusting is what it is.

the enemy is laughing his @#$% off, b/c we're so busy tearing each other apart.

unfortunately, it's a neccessary fight b/c the issue here ISN'T TB, the issue here is where do you stand, with god or men?

the arrogance of this so-called preacher is unfathomable, it really is.

whatever happened to humility? whatever happened to JOY? (You knnow, Jesus first, yourself last, others in between.)

i mean, if you're gonna try and act like a politician, at least HIDE your real feelings like most professional liars do! it's embaressing. (so is my spelling, i know)

most of the greats in the bible had no real training, no degree, no seminary, so why the velvet glove treatment?!

can anyone deny god's power in the life of elijah? and i doubt the guy knew good personal hygeine habits.

if you guys look at the facts, you'll find out that degree means NOTHING, most of them (google it) don't believe in the virgin birth, the deity of christ, etc. to MOST of them, it's just a job, like being a plumber for crying out loud.

and these are the kinda guys you wanna support?! seriously? someone with letters after their names instead of holes in their hands?

sigh.

sorry for the threadjack, i couldn't contain myself.
 
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But you don't understand - Lee IS the fallen.

Todd is the innocent one in all this. Todd didn't do anything wrong.

Everybody else did.

Poor Todd. All those mean people. :cry:

Nobody loves him. Everybody hates him.

I think he's gonna go and eat some worms.

You're being facetious, I know.
 
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I think you should go back and read the article. No where in there did it say what you guys are saying it did. The process is just starting, and everyone wants microwave miracles. It said Todd is doing PUBLIC apologies, which is good. He needs to do this. He fell publically, he needs to repent publically. I think you all misread the article. NO where did either article say Todd was innocent. He has made alot of mistakes and yes, sin. Totally sinned. But I have to agree with Rick Joyner, who are we to sit in judgement? We certainly aren't perfect. Let the process start before tearing it down or expecting instant results. Goodness.
 
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I am becoming disillusioned by charismatic ministries. I feel our leaders should be held to a very high standard. Scripture makes it very clear that those in a position of leadership should be held to a very high standard.

Yet, somehow just because you are a charismatic and have what appears to be great gifts, then you should be allowed to do whatever you want and not suffer any consequences.

Here's a guy who cheated on his wife (Last August) and then went through a divorce process that just ended.

As I've said several times now, we as laymen would be not given the same grace in our own churches that this man has been given by national leaders.

Look at the strict requirements of leadership written by the Apostle Paul:
Titus 1:6-9 (New International Version)

6An elder must be blameless, the husband of but one wife, a man whose children believe and are not open to the charge of being wild and disobedient. 7Since an overseer is entrusted with God's work, he must be blameless—not overbearing, not quick-tempered, not given to drunkenness, not violent, not pursuing dishonest gain. 8Rather he must be hospitable, one who loves what is good, who is self-controlled, upright, holy and disciplined. 9He must hold firmly to the trustworthy message as it has been taught, so that he can encourage others by sound doctrine and refute those who oppose it.
 
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no, i'm sorry, it's really not.

it's disgusting is what it is.

the enemy is laughing his @#$% off, b/c we're so busy tearing each other apart.

unfortunately, it's a neccessary fight b/c the issue here ISN'T TB, the issue here is where do you stand, with god or men?

the arrogance of this so-called preacher is unfathomable, it really is.

whatever happened to humility? whatever happened to JOY? (You knnow, Jesus first, yourself last, others in between.)

i mean, if you're gonna try and act like a politician, at least HIDE your real feelings like most professional liars do! it's embaressing. (so is my spelling, i know)

most of the greats in the bible had no real training, no degree, no seminary, so why the velvet glove treatment?!

can anyone deny god's power in the life of elijah? and i doubt the guy knew good personal hygeine habits.

if you guys look at the facts, you'll find out that degree means NOTHING, most of them (google it) don't believe in the virgin birth, the deity of christ, etc. to MOST of them, it's just a job, like being a plumber for crying out loud.

and these are the kinda guys you wanna support?! seriously? someone with letters after their names instead of holes in their hands?

sigh.

sorry for the threadjack, i couldn't contain myself.

While seminary training is not always necessary, the Bible tells us that Scripture is useful for teaching, reproofing, correcting and rebuking, meaning that you must commit to study of it. The Bible tells us to study to show ourselves approved before God, and the Bereans, while excited about the Gospel, searched the Scriptures to make sure it was true (and they found it was). Figures such as Isaiah, Jeremiah, and John the Baptist may have been outsiders in their own right, but that does not mean they were ignorant.

Revelation 2:1-8 talks about the church of Ephesus, and like the otehr six churches, Christ had good things to say, and things that He wanted change. He commended this church's strong love of doctrinal truth, as they were able to weed out false apostles easily. They had very good works to their name, and no tolerance of evil. All of these things were good in the eyes of Christ; however, His complaint was that they got so caught up in it that they simply forgot why they were doing it in the first place (that's my interpretation of "first love"). It is something that Christ emphasized as being serious, but Christ praised their game plan and way of working.

I had a man come to my church who's a missionary in China, and he said there's nothing more dangerous there than an untrained Pentecostal, because cults easily spring up from misunderstanding of basic Pentecostal beliefs and theology. Similar things happened in this Lakeland ordeal, and in the Toronto blessing. If someone has poor theology, it is not a sign of God's approval, but a red flag, as Christ's identity as God and virgin birth are essential to His fulfillment of Bible prophecy, and proof that He actually was birthed by the Holy Spirit. Joseph could not even sleep with Mary, even though they were married, until Jesus had been born.

As a matter of fact, to deny dependance on the Bible is, in a way, to overlook a work of God. The Bible is God-breathed, as mentioned before, and gives us guidelines on how to spot false teachers, discern false doctrine, and to know the truth. It tells us all about ourselves, and God's game plan for the world and our lives.

Does God use the uneducated? Of course! However, lack of education does not equal anointing. Perhaps I'll write more later.
 
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I think you should go back and read the article. No where in there did it say what you guys are saying it did. The process is just starting, and everyone wants microwave miracles. It said Todd is doing PUBLIC apologies, which is good. He needs to do this. He fell publically, he needs to repent publically. I think you all misread the article. NO where did either article say Todd was innocent. He has made alot of mistakes and yes, sin. Totally sinned. But I have to agree with Rick Joyner, who are we to sit in judgement? We certainly aren't perfect. Let the process start before tearing it down or expecting instant results. Goodness.


I agree, Blue Rose. Welcome, btw!


The one part though that really trouble's me is how quickly they are asking for donations to rebuild Todd's ministry. What ever are they thinking? If the healing process is just begun, then don't they think it might take some time to see if he reaches ministry qualification?

Restarting his ministry is just as premature as replacing his wife was. Rick Joyner has dropped a few notches in my esteem for supporting the effort. As an overseer in the healing and restoration process, he should use his influence to reign in TB's impulsive behaviour, not to enable it!



There. I said it. As a unwavering defender of the Revival (someone who was touched by God through it and therefore cannot agree that it was initiated or run by false spirits), I have now stated my criticism of TB. I hope that it helps to let some of you see that I can think beyond my "personal loyalty to Todd." My only loyalty is to the Holy Spirit, and to those who yield to Him, as I discerned Todd was doing back in the early days of the Florida Outpouring.
 
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It seems to me Lee Grady has been a bit wishy-washy over TB and Lakeland. One month it'll be a fluff, almost apologetic, story. The next time it'll be something like this. At least someone in that 'circle' is speaking out a bit.

Usually both Elijah List and Charisma Magazine are falling over themselves to promote these NAR people and functions at all cost.
 
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I don't see how someone can be restored who is currently in the sin of adultery.

The way I understand it, unless bentley's former wife had committed fornication, would there be grounds for divorce. If she didn't, then he is in adultery, even more so with the recent marriage.

Please, anyone, feel free to break out the scriptures and correct me on this.
 
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There. I said it. As a unwavering defender of the Revival (someone who was touched by God through it and therefore cannot agree that it was initiated or run by false spirits), I have now stated my criticism of TB. I hope that it helps to let some of you see that I can think beyond my "personal loyalty to Todd." My only loyalty is to the Holy Spirit, and to those who yield to Him, as I discerned Todd was doing back in the early days of the Florida Outpouring.

I agree with this too. Like I said in another post, I never followed the man nor have I heard any of his preaching or read anything he's written. However, I was touched by God in the Rodney Howard Browne ministry. I am as well personal friends of their family. I've heard a lot of rigamarow (however that is spelled) over them but I know how I was changed. I cannot answer for everyone else but I know what God did in me. Initiated and/or run by false spirits I'm not so quick to accuse of. However, there does seem to be a huge amount of immaturity and lack of moral stability in some of the leaders that are being sent out. Is there any scripture that shows any of the disciples and/or apostles falling to these sin's? I have not seen any yet.

His children have had their father stolen from them and now they have to sit and watch as their father rebuilds his ministry as they (which according to scripture is his family is his ministry) while they and thir mother are ignored and forgotten.


Thats another problem church people have: the Lord starts using them and they think it's "their" ministry.
 
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I don't see how someone can be restored who is currently in the sin of adultery.

The way I understand it, unless bentley's former wife had committed fornication, would there be grounds for divorce. If she didn't, then he is in adultery, even more so with the recent marriage.

Please, anyone, feel free to break out the scriptures and correct me on this.

Yup! The apostle Paul did not talk about restoration until the one who was sinning stopped his sinning. And it was not restoration to ministry that he was restored back to...it was the body of believers.

This man has jumbed from the frying pan into the fire and now he's thinking about his ministry. :doh:
 
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Yup! The apostle Paul did not talk about restoration until the one who was sinning stopped his sinning. And it was not restoration to ministry that he was restored back to...it was the body of believers.

This man has jumbed from the frying pan into the fire and now he's thinking about his ministry. :doh:

Thank you!

And that is why I don't understand this talk about restoration back to ministry.
 
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It seems to me Lee Grady has been a bit wishy-washy over TB and Lakeland. One month it'll be a fluff, almost apologetic, story. The next time it'll be something like this. At least someone in that 'circle' is speaking out a bit.

Usually both Elijah List and Charisma Magazine are falling over themselves to promote these NAR people and functions at all cost.

Charisma undercovered Lakeland and Grady was very critical of how everything about it was handled.
 
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