EC a middle ground

[dogs4thewin]

I started this thread maybe last cycle or cycle before ( been here a LONG time) Anyway many feel we should drop the EC in favor of a popular vote. What if instead we kept the EC, but every state work it like ME and NE. This way everyone could still have a vote while still allowing smaller areas to not be ruled by the larger areas. This may serve to get more people out to vote and would be fairer than the current winner take all system while still allowig people in rural areas to have more of a vioce than a regular popular vote would.

 

[Desk trauma]

No, opening the EC up to gerrymandering isn’t an improvement.

 

[dogs4thewin]

No, opening the EC up to gerrymandering isn’t an improvement.

so what if they had to approve the maps?

 

[variant]

I started this thread maybe last cycle or cycle before ( been here a LONG time) Anyway many feel we should drop the EC in favor of a popular vote. What if instead we kept the EC, but every state work it like ME and NE. This way everyone could still have a vote while still allowing smaller areas to not be ruled by the larger areas. This may serve to get more people out to vote and would be fairer than the current winner take all system while still allowig people in rural areas to have more of a vioce than a regular popular vote would.

A popular vote is a better alternative regardless. More people in states that normally vote one way or another will vote if a popular vote were implemented and thus we will get a better view on what people actually want.

All the republicans in California should matter as well as all the democrats in Florida, Ohio and Texas.

The protection that states need from being run over by population is already present in the Senate.

The finer points of how we drew up the various states shouldn't benefit one ideological position over another.

 

[Desk trauma]

so what if they ha to approve the maps?

They who? The parties gerrymandering the districts?

 

[dogs4thewin]

They who? The parties gerrymandering the districts?

a group of mixed people that is from all parties.

 

[dogs4thewin]

A popular vote is a better alternative regardless. More people in states that normally vote one way or another will vote if a popular vote were implemented and thus we will get a better view on what people actually want.

All the republicans in California should matter as well as all the democrats in Florida, Ohio and Texas.

The protection that states need from being run over by population is already present in the Senate.

The finer points of how we drew up the various states shouldn't benefit one ideological position over another.

I notice that even with the current system there is usually more red than blue on the map when I look at counties.

 

[variant]

I notice that even with the current system there is usually more red than blue on the map when I look at counties.

Right, but land doesn't vote, people do.

Here are the counties with larger populations than Wyoming:

How about we "compromise" and give each of them 2 senators and 3 electoral votes (or how ever many electoral votes they deserve).

 

[dogs4thewin]

Right, but land doesn't vote, people do.

Here are the counties with larger populations than Wyoming:

How about we "compromise" and give each of them 2 senators.

reps are really better than the senate because reps do not respreant the whole states which funny are where all but two of the districts in each state come in.

 

[variant]

reps are really better than the senate because reps do not respreant the whole states which funny are where all but two of the districts in each state come in.

Your premise is simply false that the congress districts are a better representation of the will of the people than the states.

Even better though would just be to ask the people directly.

 

[dogs4thewin]

Your premise is simply false that the congress districts are a better representation of the will of the people than the states.

Even better though would just be to ask the people directly.

There are WAY WAY too many people in this country to go around and asks everyone directly the closest it gets to make people vote.

 

[Desk trauma]

I notice that even with the current system there is usually more red than blue on the map when I look at counties.

With those red areas having fewer votes but hey land area matters because reasons.

 

[loveofourlord]

if you want to see whats wrong with the US system, a president can get what is it like 23% of the popular vote and still win. Unlikly to ever happen, but you can't tell me thats not messed up. The bottom states in terms of population to compare to California have almost 2x's EC votes as California.

 

[Desk trauma]

I would support an amendment to the Constitution that elected the President/Vice President by popular vote. Considering the current politicaL environment, I don't think it would fly. I don't think my idea of reducing EC votes by 2 for each State would fly either.

I think any amendment is DOA regardless of content with our current political climate.

 

[A_JAY]

if you want to see whats wrong with the US system, a president can get what is it like 23% of the popular vote and still win. Unlikly to ever happen, but you can't tell me thats not messed up. The bottom states in terms of population to compare to California have almost 2x's EC votes as California.

60 years ago, in High School, we had a debate project regarding whether the Electoral College should be changed. I fiddled with the math and the States and came up with something similar to your figures, maybe a little higher %. Yeah, unlikely, but possible, more likely with 1 or 2 third party candidates.

 

[variant]

There are WAY WAY too many people in this country to go around and asks everyone directly the closest it gets to make people vote.

Yes well, it's entirely possible, but what I was suggesting is just going with the popular vote and stopping all the artificial gamesmanship.

 

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[Ana the Ist]

I started this thread maybe last cycle or cycle before ( been here a LONG time) Anyway many feel we should drop the EC in favor of a popular vote. What if instead we kept the EC, but every state work it like ME and NE. This way everyone could still have a vote while still allowing smaller areas to not be ruled by the larger areas. This may serve to get more people out to vote and would be fairer than the current winner take all system while still allowig people in rural areas to have more of a vioce than a regular popular vote would.

What would the point be?

 

[dogs4thewin]

What would the point be?

so that there would not be a winner take all system so the people in more rural areas would have more of a say. I am talking about ruraal areas of states not rural states the current system does that.

 

[Desk trauma]

so that there would not be a winner take all system so the people in more rural areas would have more of a say. I am talking about ruraal areas of states not rural states the current system does that.

Why should rural voters have votes worth more than others?