Easy questions for a Creationist to answer.

[Cabal]

Let me guess -- but it is conclusive of a common ancestor, right?

A Toyota and Rover don't have a common designer, yet they have a common ancestor?

No, they're both possible. But taken as a whole, special creation is less plausible than evolution.

It doesn't mean they don't, either.

I'm entitled to what I believe, and you're entitled to what you believe.

And I'm entitled to point out when you draw a conclusion that doesn't follow from the premises. Your faulty logic is simply not a matter of belief.

Personally, I don't think it'd be so much of a big deal if all other posited evidence for Christianity wasn't inconclusive either. Seems to be the best the one true faith can do.

And speaking of belief, I take it you don't believe in ontological reductionism?

Not really. Methodological reductionism, sure.

No, it's not.

This thread is still growing.

I wouldn't call that 'necrofail' -- would you?

It's irrelevant - you necro'd an old thread to post the same errors you always post to people who haven't posted in ages. So yes, the usual necrofail.

 

[Tiberius]

A Toyota and Ranger Rover could have a common designer -- yes.

The fact that they do not, has no bearing on the point in discussion.

it has a very large bearing on the discussion.

it shows conclusively that things which share common features may be the result of different formative processes which arrive at similar results because they are trying to solve similar problems.

What do you mean 'my answer is not conclusive'?

It means that you do not settle the question.

You answer it then, please:

Can a Toyota and a Range Rover have a common designer?

(And do be conclusive, if you can.)

Yes, they can have a common designer, but they may also have different designers. Given that both vehicles are the product of several designers working together, it is highly unlikely that the group of people responsible for the design of the land cruiser would also be the exact same group responsible for the design of the land rover.

So while it is possible that the same minds are responsible for both, it's extraordinarily unlikely.

So, this means that we cannot compare a land cruiser to a land rover and reach a definite conclusion.

Let me guess -- but it is conclusive of a common ancestor, right?

A Toyota and Rover don't have a common designer, yet they have a common ancestor?

One could make that argument, even though the development of off road vehicles doesn't work the same way as biological evolution...

Behold!

It doesn't mean they don't, either.

But that doesn't mean that both options are equally likely.

I'm entitled to what I believe, and you're entitled to what you believe.

True, and the reasons you present for the beliefs you hold are very telling.

 

[AV1611VET]

it has a very large bearing on the discussion.

it shows conclusively that things which share common features may be the result of different formative processes which arrive at similar results because they are trying to solve similar problems.



It means that you do not settle the question.



Yes, they can have a common designer, but they may also have different designers. Given that both vehicles are the product of several designers working together, it is highly unlikely that the group of people responsible for the design of the land cruiser would also be the exact same group responsible for the design of the land rover.

So while it is possible that the same minds are responsible for both, it's extraordinarily unlikely.

So, this means that we cannot compare a land cruiser to a land rover and reach a definite conclusion.



One could make that argument, even though the development of off road vehicles doesn't work the same way as biological evolution...

Behold!



But that doesn't mean that both options are equally likely.



True, and the reasons you present for the beliefs you hold are very telling.

Are we going anywhere with this charade?

If we have a point to make, could we dispense with the vehicular talk and get to it?

 

[Phred]

Here you creationist nits go again. You can't just shove "god" into the mix without a lick of evidence.

For example... you claim that there is a "designer" in biology. Really? Show me how. How did this designer "design" life? Where is this designer now? When did this designer design life?

If you can't show that these things took place then stop trying to claim that there is a designer. You have no evidence that one exists or needs to exist.

 

[Loudmouth]

Because we have a Common Designer.

1. Are you saying that my siblings and I look similar because we were all separately created ex nihilo by a common supernatural designer?

2. Why would a common designer be required to create two species with features in common? More specifically, why would a designer need to create humans so that 98% of their DNA lined up with chimps?

 

[TomZzyzx]

If we are the main reason why everything else exists why are we so much like everything else?
don't you think we should stand out a little more than we do after all God made us in his own image?

If the earth was Gods pride and joy why did he stick it out on the end of our Galaxy so far from the centre?
and make our galaxy just one of millions?

Why do WE revolve around everything else and only a little pock marked moon revolve around us?

From everything the Bible tells us WE are the only reason everything in the universe exists,
yet we are just one of thousands of animals on this planet.

Why do you think we are the main reason everything else exists?

Why do you think the earth is God's pride and joy?

Where in the bible does it tell us that WE are the only reason everything in the universe exists?

 

[Belk]

Why do you think we are the main reason everything else exists?

Why do you think the earth is God's pride and joy?

Where in the bible does it tell us that WE are the only reason everything in the universe exists?

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I don't think he is going to answer.

 

[Jazer]

If we are the main reason why everything else exists why are we so much like everything else?
don't you think we should stand out a little more than we do after all God made us in his own image?

Because we have dominion and God wants us to be able to empathize. Jesus did not seem to stand out all that much.

Heb 14 "15 For we do not have a high priest who is unable to empathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who has been tempted in every way, just as we are—yet he did not sin."

1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

 

[Tiberius]

Are we going anywhere with this charade?

If we have a point to make, could we dispense with the vehicular talk and get to it?

I've already made it.

Don't blame me if you're too... what's the word?... myopic to see it.

 

[LowLight]

I've already made it.

Don't blame me if you're too... what's the word?... myopic to see it.

Zing!​

 

[USincognito]

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I don't think he is going to answer.

At least not as card. Consol will be back in another guise soon enought though.

 

[becon]

If I was a creationist I think I would ask a few questions of the people who lead creationism.

If this was all designed for me how come I can only live on about 10% of it?
how come I can't move more than about 5 miles from the surface before I need help breathing?
why was the universe created for me when I can't use any of it?
why are there so many animals who are so like me?
why do I need the same things as most of the other animals in order to stay alive?
if everything was designed for me why were so many other things designed to damage or kill me?

 

[AV1611VET]

If I was a creationist I think I would ask a few questions of the people who lead creationism.

If this was all designed for me how come I can only live on about 10% of it?
how come I can't move more than about 5 miles from the surface before I need help breathing?
why was the universe created for me when I can't use any of it?
why are there so many animals who are so like me?
why do I need the same things as most of the other animals in order to stay alive?
if everything was designed for me why were so many other things designed to damage or kill me?

If I was a theistic evolutionist I think I would ask a few questions of the people who lead theistic evolution.

If this was all designed for me how come I can only live on about 10% of it?
how come I can't move more than about 5 miles from the surface before I need help breathing?
why was the universe created for me when I can't use any of it?
if everything was designed for me why were so many other things designed to damage or kill me?

 

[becon]

If I was a theistic evolutionist I think I would ask a few questions of the people who lead theistic evolution.

If this was all designed for me how come I can only live on about 10% of it?
how come I can't move more than about 5 miles from the surface before I need help breathing?
why was the universe created for me when I can't use any of it?
if everything was designed for me why were so many other things designed to damage or kill me?

I'm sorry but I did not realise who or what I was talking to, I do now so goodbye.

 

[AV1611VET]

I'm sorry but I did not realise who or what I was talking to, I do now so goodbye.

-- Don't go away mad.

 

[becon]

-- Don't go away mad.

Not mad just sad.

 

[AV1611VET]

Not mad just sad.

Do you wear your emotions on your sleeve or something?

 

[Tiberius]

Did you figure out my point yet, AV, or would you like me to spell it out for you?

 

[Tiberius]

I guess that's a no.

Myopic to the end...