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So something that I really haven't understood is why easter has so little importance in adventist circles. Often there isn't even a easter themed sermon.

Sometimes there is, but easter day services are pretty much nonexistant.
I am suspicious it is because adventists for some reason often think it is wrong to worship on sunday.

Anyways, I missed church saturday, and sunday this week (I was thinking about visiting some nonadventist church on sunday). Mostly because I worked all night thursday and haven't managed to change my schedule back to sleeping at night.

I guess another issue is I missed communion, which is very rare in my church (this is actually the only time I remember hearing about it in over a year? but it is probable that we have it 4 times a year and I have just missed the other occasions). I have no clue why communion is so rare in SDA churches.

Since I didn't go to church I read about Christ's death and the empty tomb in Mark as well as some other scripture.

JM
 

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The Scriptures in Romans 6 explain that baptism commemorates the death and resurrection of Christ. Therefore, the SDA faith does not officially recognize Easter because the Easter holiday is not Scriptural. It is the choice of the individual. That's the short version. :)

My understanding is that communion is done 4 times a year to maintain its sacredness and specialness, and not become a formality.
 
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Jon -- "Easter" has a great deal of symbolic significance for me, but I spend a lot of time integrating that significance into my life as a matter of course. It brings me a ton of big grand themes to meditate on, including freedom, vulnerability, the roots of disappointment, reconciliation, the presence of God, the unbroken connections between God and men... and a ton of others.

That said, I've shared a couple of Easter-relevant reflections and sermons lately.

Y'all may enjoy one or both.

On Holy Week (poetry)
Ponder the Meaning of Easter (also titled "The Political Meaning of Easter")
 
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So something that I really haven't understood is why easter has so little importance in adventist circles. Often there isn't even a easter themed sermon.

It depends on the church and the pastor, I suppose. Some Adventist pastors do preach crucifixion/resurrection-themed sermons around Easter time, or they might have special musical programs. In general, though, most Adventist churches make nowhere near as big a deal out of Easter as most other Christian churches.

Jon Miller said:
Sometimes there is, but easter day services are pretty much nonexistant.
I am suspicious it is because adventists for some reason often think it is wrong to worship on sunday.

Yes, Easter Sunday services are usually absent in Adventist churches--probably primarily because they don't usually have services on Sundays at all--although I have lived in a few places where they had Easter Sunday sunrise services. Some of the more conservative/traditional Adventists that I know do think that it is wrong to go to church on Sunday, especially Easter Sunday, because they view it as following in the footsteps of Rome and paganism. I didn't grow up in traditional/historic Adventism, so I wasn't raised with that mindset.

Jon Miller said:
Anyways, I missed church saturday, and sunday this week (I was thinking about visiting some nonadventist church on sunday). Mostly because I worked all night thursday and haven't managed to change my schedule back to sleeping at night.

I guess another issue is I missed communion, which is very rare in my church (this is actually the only time I remember hearing about it in over a year? but it is probable that we have it 4 times a year and I have just missed the other occasions). I have no clue why communion is so rare in SDA churches.

Tradition. In the time period when Adventism began, it was common for Protestant churches, especially Methodist churches (the denomination in which Ellen White was raised), in the United States to have communion on a quarterly basis or sometimes monthly, especially when they were on circuits with no pastor there every week. Practices varied, but many people viewed monthly or weekly communion as too frequent. Here is a quote from a book on American Methodist worship (emphasis added):
Communion every Lord's Day was an impossibility from the outset in America, but denominational leaders expected opportunities to be made for regular reception. . . . Although the elders had the authority to celebrate Communion at any gathering of Methodists, many appeared content to offer the sacrament when requested, occasionally at certain festivals (e.g. Christmas Day or Eve), or at the time it normally was expected. For many Methodists, the quarterly gathering of the societies (and later, churches) on a circuit for business, worship, and fellowship provided the ordinary and sole occasion for Communion. In some of the larger city appointments, the custom established early was that of monthly Communion. . . . The rhythm of quarterly Communions in circuits and "at least once a month in stations" was the officially stated instruction of the Methodist Protestant Church throughout its history.

Some popular writers on the sacrament, such as British Methodist Adam Clarke, whose work was widely read in America, commended reception once a month or once every six weeks as "the proper mean"; he considered weekly "too frequent" and quarterly "too seldom. . . ." Nevertheless, as churches grew from locations on a circuit to congregations with their own resident minister, the ingrained quarterly pattern was preferred both by pastor and people. . . .

A proposal was made in 1888 to see that, where possible, the Supper was observed once every two months, but despite such efforts, no formal legislation on frequency was ever established by that denomination [the Methodist Episcopal Church], even though it implemented and maintained that members could be brought to trial for neglecting the sacrament. . . .

Legislation or not, the annual schedule for the Eucharist was mostly determined locally by pastors, who often were hesitant either to lengthen the service by adding Communion or to shorten the sermon to accommodate it, and by congregations, which might be indifferent to the sacrament or worried that too frequent reception could render Communion less "special." External influences, such as the practices of churches representing other Christian denominations, were also a factor, positively or negatively. Within Methodism as a whole, therefore, the frequency with which the sacrament was received was highly variable: a monthly observance could be held in one of the larger churches in the South, or an annual celebration might be deemed sufficient. Such variability characterized Methodism even at the end of the twentieth century, in spite of the push begun in the early part of the century and continued throughout it for Methodists to hold more frequent celebrations, and ideally to emulate the weekly observances of ancient Christians, the Methodists of Wesley's day, and (increaingly) other Protestant church in North America. (148-149)
While the Methodist Church, along with many other Protestant churches, has moved increasingly toward more frequent monthly or weekly communion, the Adventist Church has, in general, stuck to the quarterly tradition. However, the Bible doesn't specify any required frequency, which is probably why there has been so much variability in the practices of different Protestant churches.

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Since I didn't go to church I read about Christ's death and the empty tomb in Mark as well as some other scripture.

JM

Sounds like a good way to celebrate Easter. :)
 
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Matthew 26:19 And the disciples did as Jesus had appointed them; and they made ready the passover.

Are not Easter and Passover very different celebrations at different times?

Does one not have to explain why one keeps a pagan celebration dressed up as Christian when the real one Christ kept and set as his memorial is ignored?

How many nights between 'good' 'friday' and 'easter' 'sunday' ?

Do you see there are just two?

What did Jesus say he would leave as his sign? [Matthew 12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale’s belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.]

is there a difference between two and three nights when one is giving a sign to people from God about corrupt religion?

are Jesus' signs of any meaning ?

Might one compare this with Jesus keeping passover with his disciples a day earlier than the tradition of the Jewish hierarchy, showing them they were wrong by scripture just as modern Christianity does not reprove itself to what Jesus said , let alone the whole Word of God?

Is this scripture from Paul of any meaning to modern divided traditions labelled Christian whatever - Colossians 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

Who divided Christianity separating it from the beliefs of those who gave up sin to follow Christ - 2 Timothy 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity. ?

Which is stronger for most people, the words of Jesus, the saints and the prophets as one integral word of God [necessarily one else it is not of God], or grossly divided and differing countless traditions of religion? [which are far from one, but prophesied by Jesus himself eventually to become one united belief in one religion under the antichrist figure - Rev 13:3-4 ....and all the world wondered after the beast and they worshipped the dragon ] ?

Is the real evidence from scripture in Jesus own words of any meaning any longer in religion labelled by his name ?

One obviously cannot stop the falling away from Jesus' teachings in scripture because Jesus himself said it must come first, but how is it that almost all ignore Jesus' witness in scripture in plain words, preferring dogma and ritual that is familiar, habitual, pagan traditions dressed up, so clearly contradicting what is written, as having anything to do with the truth of God in scripture on which the tradition yet pretends to be based?

Is it not possible to see that all contradictions cannot be true, however familiar and common the tradition of believing them today ?
 
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Matthew 26:18 And he said, Go into the city to such a man, and say unto him, The Master saith, My time is at hand; I will keep the passover at thy house with my disciples.

Luke 22:19 And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me.

Daniel 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws:

The memorial times of Jesus and the saints of Israel have been replaced with pagan days ,not only in modern Christianity, but in Judaism

for instance Jesus showed that the Jews of his time were keeping Passover a day late ...
 
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Many peoples across time have celebrated the lunisolar cycles. The cry that many festivals have "pagan roots" is always interesting to me. The roots are found in our connection to the universe we find ourselves in.

AzA said it well. If a particular celebration is valuable to a person - great. If not - great. Where we are at risk is wherever we are making demands on another person while waving the banner of "right or wrong."
 
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Many peoples across time have celebrated the lunisolar cycles. The cry that many festivals have "pagan roots" is always interesting to me. The roots are found in our connection to the universe we find ourselves in.

AzA said it well. If a particular celebration is valuable to a person - great. If not - great. Where we are at risk is wherever we are making demands on another person while waving the banner of "right or wrong."

The big problem that I have with attributing pagan roots to everything is that people mistakenly assume that if there are similarities between two things, one must have been derived from the other. Pagans assume that about Christianity, and Christians assume that about paganism.
 
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I think that if Christianity has something to celebrate, it is Christ's death and ressurrection. The right time is at passover time, I don't really understand why east and west have other traditions.

Oh, and the last few yaers (but not this year, I don't have the time), I have celebrated passover. My best freinds wife (I am friends with her as well) family is Jewish (well: Christian, atheist, deist/spiritualist, and agnostic?... so a bit not standard) and invite me regularly.

JM
 
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So something that I really haven't understood is why easter has so little importance in adventist circles.

I have wondered that myself. Good question.

BTW--sorry that I've been so absent lately. I started a new job and my time has been extremely limited. Hopefully, I will establish a new equilibrium soon.

BFA
 
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I started a new job and my time has been extremely limited. Hopefully, I will establish a new equilibrium soon
Congratulations! :clap:
New beginnings can be so exciting -- and sometimes stressful for that reason, lol!
I'm sure you'll find your balance. And learn lots of new cool things about your environment and yourself.

Blessings, bro.
 
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The big problem that I have with attributing pagan roots to everything is that people mistakenly assume that if there are similarities between two things, one must have been derived from the other.
A related point is around ownership. Pagans do not own solstice celebrations. New Agers do not own crystals. Eastern religions do not own meditation.

Christians give a lot of stuff away. We would give gravity away for being "pagan."

Part of this is because we are too lazy to understand other traditions - so assigning something to them, and then rejecting it, is convenient.
 
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