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Easter is anglo-saxon name for the Babylonian goddess Ishtar: the queen of heaven, mother goddess.

It has nothing to do with the resurrection of Christ. It was celebrated by pagans long before Jesus.

It was celebrated at vernal Equanox when the day is equal to night. Pagan holidays depend on the movement of the sun: equinox, solstice.

Easter/Ishtar is a fertility goddess, hence the Easter bunny/eggs.

From Babylonian mythology, Easter (Ashtoreth in the Bible) conceived by the spirit of her dead husband and gave birth to Tammuz, the pagan messiah.

The bible tells us Solomon worshipped goddess Ishtar/Easter/Ashtoreth.

1 Kings 11:5 For Solomon went after Ashtoreth the goddess of the Zidonians, and after Milcom the abomination of the Ammonites.

Also in 1 Kings 11:33 & 2 Kings 23:13. It's considered an abomination to the LORD.
 
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I read that the first schism, where Victor I, the head of the church of the west in Rome excommunicated Papas, the head Bishop of the church of the east in Constantinople, over whether the resurrection of Christ should be celebrated during the Jewish passover or on the first Sunday following the vernal equinox.

The decree by Victor was the first lordly command issued by one bishop over all the others.

Source: Truth Triumphant, The Church In The Wilderness, by B.G. Wilkinson, pg 117.
 
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Jesus celebrated the Passover before his resurection.

Why do we celebrate Easter on a Pagan holiday.

Should we not celebrate the Passover as the Seventh Adventist celebrate the Sabbath???

By Christ's ultimate sacrifice, all ceremonies which sacrifices were the central theme were no longer required. The Lamb had been slain. That's why SDAs do not celebrate the Old Testament feasts.

The sabbath however was instituted from the begining to commemorate God's creation. Therefore it stands throughout eternity as a testament of God's authority.
 
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Jesus celebrated the Passover before his resurection.

Why do we celebrate Easter on a Pagan holiday.

Should we not celebrate the Passover as the Seventh Adventist celebrate the Sabbath???
Passover is a set time ... long before the last supper , long before the resurrection ; Jesus was the lamb sacrificed for the new covenant of His blood ...

Long before Protestants ... the reformation ... the church placed "Holy Days ; biblical events ; purposely atop of a pagan day " to teach the truth of the gospel , that in time , that that day would become sanctified , by celebrating the Birth of Christ ( actually in June or July - placed in december to cover a pagan feast ) , the resurrection of Christ ( same thing )....

It is not that the church is celebrating a pagan feast , nor bringing in strange fire or incense into the body , but seeking to discourage the old pagan ways ... by tying up a day that was used for evil and using it for good ( new meaning as with all saints and souls .. prayer and church evening instead of Halloween).

Many cite this arguement against their brethren ... which is actually what Jesus said about the enemy accusing the brethren before God ...

as long as there is strife ( and every evil work) within the body , the body continues in a circular arguement and does not seek to find , and minister to the lost , but argue with one another ...

400 years of this and 50-100 years of reformation is plenty ... we agree to disagree , go forward , remove the plank from our own eyes , so we can minister to the mote in others eyes ... amen?
 
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As for Easter, the name "Easter" never appears in the Greek New Testament. Easter is not a Christian name. It is Chaldean (Babylonian) in origin - the name Astarte, one of the titles of Beltis, the queen of heaven. By the 8th century this name had come to be applied to the anniversary of Christ's resurrection. With the passage of time the connection with the goddess was lost, the only remaining meaning being associated with Christ's resurrection. Unquestionably the resurrection was of enormous importance to the apostolic church, for it figures prominently in the evangelistic messages from the apostles as recorded in the book of Acts. No issue is made about the date when it occurred, however, other than to note in a factual manner that the resurrection occurred on the first day of the week.

It is to be noted that the apostolic church never gave attention to either the date of Christ's birth or the date of His resurrection, other than to note that the latter occurred on a Sunday. Neither of these days was observed by early Christians but as the pagan influence came into the church so did its festivals. In the third and fourth centuries a tremendous debate arose among Christian churches as to when Easter was to be observed. For the Roman Catholic branch it was largely settled at the Council of Nicaea (AD 325) with a formula still followed to this day, which cannot possibly be commemoration of the actual resurrection. In current practice Easter always falls on a Sunday and the Sunday chosen wanders over a period of four weeks ranging from March 22-April 25. The eastern branch of Christendom selected a different system, so that in the Eastern Orthodox tradition both Christmas and Easter fall on different dates from those in the Western Catholic and Protestant tradition. The point is that the early Christians gave no attention to commemorating the resurrection day of Christ. If they had been serious they would be observing the 17th day of the Jewish month, Nisan, which begins with the first new moon following the spring solstice. Passover among the Jews begins with the 14th day of Nisan. It would not be possible to commemorate the actual day of the month and have it always on Sunday, so the choice was made to have it on Sunday, adjusting the day of the month for convenience.
Given this information, although the resurrection of Jesus is a historical event of huge importance, we have no biblical precedent for making Easter a special day of celebration. The name Astarte, as found on the Assyrian monuments by the noted archeologist Layard, was the name Ishtar. The worship of Bel and Astarte was introduced very early into Britain, along with the Druids, "the priests of the groves," the high places where the pagans worshipped the idols of Baal. In the Almanac of the 1800's, May 1st is called Beltane, from the pagan god, Bel. The titles Bel and Molech both belong to the same god.

We must remember that Semiramis (also known as Ishtar) of Babylon, the wife of Nimrod and mother of Tammuz, was the same goddess worshiped throughout the world under various names, such as the Egyptian fertility god, Artemis, the Roman goddess of licentiousness, Venus, the Greek goddess of love, Aphrodite, and the Ephesian, many-breasted fertility god, Diana, as well as many others.

The (Easter) bunny, the oldest pagan symbol of fertility - Semiramis - has absolutely nothing to do with the birth of Christ.
 
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Passover is a set time ... long before the last supper , long before the resurrection ; Jesus was the lamb sacrificed for the new covenant of His blood ...

Long before Protestants ... the reformation ... the church placed "Holy Days ; biblical events ; purposely atop of a pagan day " to teach the truth of the gospel , that in time , that that day would become sanctified , by celebrating the Birth of Christ ( actually in June or July - placed in december to cover a pagan feast ) , the resurrection of Christ ( same thing )....

It is not that the church is celebrating a pagan feast , nor bringing in strange fire or incense into the body , but seeking to discourage the old pagan ways ... by tying up a day that was used for evil and using it for good ( new meaning as with all saints and souls .. prayer and church evening instead of Halloween).

Many cite this arguement against their brethren ... which is actually what Jesus said about the enemy accusing the brethren before God ...

as long as there is strife ( and every evil work) within the body , the body continues in a circular arguement and does not seek to find , and minister to the lost , but argue with one another ...

400 years of this and 50-100 years of reformation is plenty ... we agree to disagree , go forward , remove the plank from our own eyes , so we can minister to the mote in others eyes ... amen?

That's ecumenism. The bible disagrees with what you wrote.

Deuteronomy 12
28 Observe and hear all these words which I command thee, that it may go well with thee, and with thy children after thee for ever, when thou doest that which is good and right in the sight of the Lord thy God.
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30 Take heed to thyself that thou be not snared by following them, after that they be destroyed from before thee; and that thou enquire not after their god, saying, How did these nations serve their god? even so will I do likewise.

Jeremiah 10:2 Thus saith the Lord, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them.

1 Corinthians 10
20 But I say, that the things which the gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to devils, and not to God: and I would not that ye should have fellowship with devils.
21 Ye cannot drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of devils: ye cannot be partakers of the Lord's table, and of the table of devils.
22 Do we provoke the Lord to jealousy? are we stronger than He?

Psalms 106
32 They angered him also at the waters of strife, ...
35 But were mingled among the heathen, and learned their works.
 
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This is in response as to why I called Easter a Pagan holiday

Scholars, accepting the derivation proposed by the 8th-century English scholar St. Bede, believe the name Easter is thought to come from the Scandinavian "Ostra" and the Teutonic "Ostern" or "Eastre," both Goddesses of mythology signifying spring and fertility whose festival was celebrated on the day of the vernal equinox

Traditions associated with the festival survive in the Easter rabbit, a symbol of fertility, and in colored easter eggs, originally painted with bright colors to represent the sunlight of spring, and used in Easter-egg rolling contests or given as gifts

Since I am new I was not able to post the link to this site.
 
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Responding to Telaquapacky

That is the point I amtrying to make; the early political church changed the date.

The Bible clearly states that Jesus celebrated the Passover. Before the decree as you mentioned the resurection was celebrated in conjuction with Passover.

"Easter is the festival commemorating the resurrection of Christ, observed in the Christian churches today. By the first Christian, it was considered to continue the feast of the Passover, at which the paschal lamb, a symbol of Christ, was sacrificed. Hence, its name in Greek, French,and other Roman languages is taken from Hebrew "Pesach" = Passover. The English name comes from the Anglo-Saxon "Eastre" - a goddess of light or spring, whose festival was celebrated in April"
{I am still too new to post outside links}

The Passover & the Resurection deal with sacrifice and forgiveness and the Fathers saving grace; the two should not be separated.
 
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Nor should the English term Easter define the meaning of the event as if the event is named for some ancient goddess. For instance it is related to Passover in most of the languages English being different but no one is certain why Easter became the name. I would guess the relationship of the dawning of a new day related to the word but I don't think it is going to be known with certainty.

a religious festival celebrating the resurrection of Christ, held on the Sunday after the first full moon in spring, called Easter Day or Easter Sunday .
Dutch: Pasen
French: Pâques (fpl / mpl)
German: Ostern
Italian: Pasqua
Spanish: Pascua, Semana Santa
http://www.allwords.com/word-Easter.html
 
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RC_newportestant list a very importan quote
"a religious festival celebrating the resurrection of Christ, held on the Sunday after the first full moon in spring, called Easter Day or Easter Sunday .

This clearly shows that for whatever reason the early church politicians decided to celebrate not the resurection but a Pagan feast based on the moon.

Jesus specifically stated " do this in remeberance of me"
What he saying do the Passover meal, remeber how my Father save the Israelites, now remeber how I will save you?

Lets celebrate the Passover. Call and contact your pastor, have you
church celebrate the only Holy day Jesus celebrated.
 
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RC_newportestant list a very importan quote
"a religious festival celebrating the resurrection of Christ, held on the Sunday after the first full moon in spring, called Easter Day or Easter Sunday .

This clearly shows that for whatever reason the early church politicians decided to celebrate not the resurection but a Pagan feast based on the moon.

Jesus specifically stated " do this in remeberance of me"
What he saying do the Passover meal, remeber how my Father save the Israelites, now remeber how I will save you?

Lets celebrate the Passover. Call and contact your pastor, have you
church celebrate the only Holy day Jesus celebrated.


How do you celebrate Passover?
 
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Well you sort of missed the point. Easter is Passover:
Name of Easter

The origins of the word "Easter" are not certain, but probably derive from Estre, an Anglo-Saxon goddess of spring {2}. The German word Ostern has the same derivation, but most other languages follow the Greek term used by the early Christians: pascha, from the Hebrew pesach (Passover).
In Latin, Easter is Festa Paschalia (plural because it is a seven-day feast), which became the basis for the French Pâques, the Italian Pasqua, and the Spanish Pascua. Also related are the Scottish Pask, the Dutch Paschen, the Danish Paaske, and the Swedish Pask. {3}
http://www.religionfacts.com/christianity/holidays/easter.htm

Now the dating is a problem because we don't use the lunar calendar anymore that was used by ancient Israel and many other nations. Those calendars frequently had to have intercalary days added to bring about events to align with the seasons when they were first used.

Lunisolar calendars use months to approximate the tropical year. Examples are the Jewish and Chinese calendars. Since 12 months are about 11 days shorter than the tropical year, a leap month (also called intercalary month) is inserted about every third year to keep the calendar in tune with the seasons. The big question is how to do this. A simple method is to just base it on nature. In ancient Israel, the religious leaders would determine the date for Passover each spring by seeing if the roads were dry enough for the pilgrims and if the lambs were ready for slaughter. If not, they would add one more month.
http://webexhibits.org/calendars/calendar-jewish.html
 
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RC_newportestant list a very importan quote
"a religious festival celebrating the resurrection of Christ, held on the Sunday after the first full moon in spring, called Easter Day or Easter Sunday .

This clearly shows that for whatever reason the early church politicians decided to celebrate not the resurection but a Pagan feast based on the moon.

Jesus specifically stated " do this in remeberance of me"
What he saying do the Passover meal, remeber how my Father save the Israelites, now remeber how I will save you?

Lets celebrate the Passover. Call and contact your pastor, have you
church celebrate the only Holy day Jesus celebrated.

First of all, Jewish calendar is a lunar calendar. Neither Passover (Nisan 14th) nor First Fruit (Resurrection, Nisan 16th) fall on sunday very year.

RCC changed the date of Easter to fall on the sunday after the vernal equinox. In the case of it coincides in the same week as Passover, it'd fall on the following week.

Passover sacrifice was done away along with the rest of the ceremonial systems when the Lamb of God was slain on the cross.

At passover and in fact sabbath seders, the Lord's Supper was figured.

Jesus instituted only two rites for Christians: communion and baptism.

Christian communion replaced Passover.
 
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We could celebrate on both.
Its all about the resurrection!
Yes, it was Passove,r but the world celebrates it on Easter, so either way.
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I think Easter is a good opportunity to reach out to people with the good news about Jesus at a time when more people are interested in hearing about it than usual. I myself became a Christian at Easter time when I was 16 because I finally understood what Jesus' death and resurrection were all about. Listening to Christian music, which at that time of year was focused almost completely on the crucifixion and resurrection, helped me to understand the reality of it and showed me my need for a personal relationship with Christ, which I hadn't realized before even though I had always gone to church, had an intellectual knowledge of church doctrine, and had been baptized at age 10.
 
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First of all, Jewish calendar is a lunar calendar. Neither Passover (Nisan 14th) nor First Fruit (Resurrection, Nisan 16th) fall on sunday very year.

RCC changed the date of Easter to fall on the sunday after the vernal equinox. In the case of it coincides in the same week as Passover, it'd fall on the following week.
Well it was not the Roman Catholic Church as such but the change was necessary because the calendar had changed. Christians were not following the old Jewish Calendar because the Romans had come up with a better calendar. Nisan 14 could be as much as a month off according to the old calendar it depended on the number of intercalary days to line up the season with the date.

Of course for Christians the date was more important for the resurrection then for the passover which was a remembrance of coming out of Egypt. Of course with any date the importance is what you hold, the date itself is meaningless. So if a person finds no use for remembering the resurrection at a particular time of year that is fine but they should not complain that other do, or others find the date meaningful. People are different, for me it does not matter too much since the concept of the resurrection is central to my philosophy. Yet I understand the desire to place it with Passover or with the renewal of Spring those and more can have meaning to certain people and meaning of the resurrection should be something we all care about.
 
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I was going over some post and gleaming some very good information. Thank you

This is in reply to reddogs who stated
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It is to be noted that the apostolic church never gave attention to either the date of Christ's birth or the date of His resurrection, other than to note that the latter occurred on a Sunday."

This is very interesting and further tickles my fancy as to why maybe our Lord Jesus insisted on celebrating the Passover. If the church never gave attention to the date Jesus did. The passover meal is mentioned in all four Gospels. Was Jesus rying to tell us something or teach us something.

To Catlover

for anyone interested here is the site for Jews for Jesus & an invitation
to a Passover banquet.

http://www.jewsforjesus.org/programs/passoverbanquets

http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Lab/6562/apologetics/seder.html
 
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