Easiest Defense of Sola Scriptura

[redleghunter]

If you're a Gnostic, you can't post on this board.

Indeed .

 

[redleghunter]

I said cultivating contrition. We all already know contrition is central to Christianity, but cultivating it properly is something else. And some do have it more than others.

Indeed we do need each other and those more rooted in the faith to be an example and mentor in walking in righteousness. Christ and His Apostles demonstrated the ekklesia must love and rely on each other.

That I agree with.

 

[redleghunter]

The Bible is young, it's currently 66 books. There were more books that believers read but the church uninspired those books. There are also regular, secular history books mentioned by the Bible books that conveniently disappeared.

The holy men of the church deemed their holy writings to be Gods writings in order to derive authority and control people.

Yes you are in the wrong forum.

 

[redleghunter]

Acts 2

Yes all those who believed and were baptized received the Holy Spirit. Perhaps I misunderstood you to mean the Holy Spirit filled an organization and not individuals who are part of the organism.

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

Which truths do you find unproven?

"proven" isn't necessary when one has faith and one has reasons for that faith.

 

[redleghunter]

"proven" isn't necessary when one has faith and one has reasons for that faith.

Correct. Perhaps the question should be what evidence is in question?

 

[redleghunter]

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[redleghunter]

You are forcing Jesus into the OT.

There's quite a good reason too:

Luke 24: KJV

25 Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:

26 Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory?

27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.

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44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.

45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,

46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behooved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:

47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

48 And ye are witnesses of these things.

 

[Constantine the Sinner]

Yes all those who believed and were baptized received the Holy Spirit. Perhaps I misunderstood you to mean the Holy Spirit filled an organization and not individuals who are part of the organism.

The organization is the mystical Body of Christ, which Christ intends to be one in such an intimate way as to compare with his oneness with the Father. Baptism is initiation into that Body, and it can only be initiated from that Body. Your dichotomy between the individual and the Body in baptism is looking at the mystery in the exact opposite way it is intended: the Spirit is accomplishing the unification of the individual with the Body.

 

[redleghunter]

The organization is the mystical Body of Christ, which Christ intends to be one in such an intimate way as to compare with his oneness with the Father. Baptism is initiation into that Body, and it can only be initiated from that Body. Your dichotomy between the individual and the Body in baptism is looking at the mystery in the exact opposite way it is intended: the Spirit is accomplishing the unification of the individual with the Body.

I don't disagree with anything you wrote above.

Which One True Church door does one knock on? Eastern Orthodox? Roman Catholic? Ethiopian Orthodox? SSPX?

If your answer is "it does not matter" I would ask why Eastern Orthodox churches will not offer communion to Roman Catholics?

 

[Constantine the Sinner]

I don't disagree with anything you wrote above.

Which One True Church door does one knock on? Eastern Orthodox? Roman Catholic? Ethiopian Orthodox? SSPX?

If your answer is "it does not matter" I would ask why Eastern Orthodox churches will not offer communion to Roman Catholics?

My answer is the Orthodox Church, and it does matter.

 

[redleghunter]

My answer is the Orthodox Church, and it does matter.

Just to confirm... The Eastern Orthodox Church is the One True Apostolic Church but the Roman Catholic Church and Ethiopian Orthodox Church are somehow not?

 

[Constantine the Sinner]

Just to confirm... The Eastern Orthodox Church is the One True Apostolic Church but the Roman Catholic Church and Ethiopian Orthodox Church are somehow not?

The Oriental Orthodox (of whom the Ethiopian are part of) and Eastern Orthodox are de facto one, even if de jure not, since we frequently partake of Communion with each other.

No, the RCC isn't the the Church Christ established.

 

[redleghunter]

The Oriental Orthodox (of whom the Ethiopian are part of) and Eastern Orthodox are de facto one, even if de jure not, since we

Thank you for explaining the above. What is your view of their Biblical canon? It is not the same as your church nor the Roman Catholic church.

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

Correct. Perhaps the question should be what evidence is in question?

Now you've asked the right question!

 

[redleghunter]

No, the RCC isn't the the Church Christ established.

I'm sure you may get a few responses to that.

What happened to the Petrine supremacy?

By the earliest Church fathers most looked to the seat of Rome as the head of the Church.

 

[Constantine the Sinner]

Thank you for explaining the above. What is your view of their Biblical canon? It is not the same as your church nor the Roman Catholic church.

There is no dogmatic canon. "Doctrine" means "teaching". In ancient Christian thought, it meant what was taught by Christ to the Apostles. Christ never passed on a specific canon of Scripture.

 

[AnticipateHisComing]

Anticipate, is it true to say that satan will TRY to prevail by bring division and disaster to Church? It is a Yes or No answer. Jesus Christ Himself answered Yes, to the above question, by stating in Scripture "The gates of hell shall not prevail agains't it". Truth is satan will try to prevail, but our Lord left us a promise that he will Not Prevail.

However Satan in his pride is still trying to prevail by using Sola Scriptura, etc... The proof is in the pudding! The proof is the 33,000 + Christian churchess interpreting the Scripture their way or the highway, it is not the Lords way.

You are absolutely correct; for the RCC to divide the Church, which is the body of all Christians into groups where only some are fully in communion with the Church is an abomination. As much as the Protestants disagree on doctrine with Catholics, I know of none that call Catholics less Christian.

I am have difficulty with your Satanic pride. Is it disagreeing with the RCC or is it a church that says it is my way or the highway? Cause, last time I checked the RCC says it is my way or the highway.

Further, as I have stated multiple times, how one interprets scripture has absolutely nothing to do with the truth of scripture, which only scripture has incontrovertibly. Not all Catholics interpret scripture the same so they must according to you also be driven by Satanic pride. In all the denominatins, I see prophecy being fulfilled, some good, some bad.

2 Tim 4:2 Preach the word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage—with great patience and careful instruction. 3 For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. 4 They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.
Acts 2:17 “‘In the last days, God says, I will pour out my Spirit on all people.
Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your young men will see visions, your old men will dream dreams.​

18 Even on my servants, both men and women, I will pour out my Spirit in those days, and they will prophesy.

Further, learn that disagreements can provide good learning occasions. You may think it anathema for people to disagree on doctrine, I think it rewarding. Some of the best insights I have had are from researching scripture to support a point I was trying to make. Learn that God judges our heart, thoughts and actions. He does not judge the depth of our true understanding of his word.

1 Cor 11:17 In the following directives I have no praise for you, for your meetings do more harm than good. 18 In the first place, I hear that when you come together as a church, there are divisions among you, and to some extent I believe it. 19 No doubt there have to be differences among you to show which of you have God’s approval.​

Further, learn that God is everything true; we by God's grace do not have to be. The minimum amount of truth that we must profess is very simple and short. The amount of doctrine that churches profess as true is many times more.

Matthew 18: 17 and if he will not hear them: tell the CHURCH. And if he will not hear the CHURCH, let him be to thee a heathen and a publican.

Jesus Christ stated above in Matthew 18:17 Tell the Church! Jesus Christ did not say tell or look into Scripture? Therefore the Authority is the Church

Like a Catholic has never taken this one verse out of context before. Read the whole of scripture to learn the truth of scripture. Matthew 18:15-20 deals with SIN in the church, not false teachings. I certainly agree that the Church should judge those in the Church. But, what does a judge use to determine offense, the written law, that would be scripture.

Now read how one should determine what is true.
Acts 17:11 Now the Berean Jews were of more noble character than those in Thessalonica, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true.

Scripture cannot bind or loose anything only the Church can bind or loose anything and there can only be one and it is the Church Founded on Rock, you know the one I am referring to, and if you or any one else reads this post and know which Church I am referring to, then it is by the Holy Spirit, who leads all to the Truth. Amen

You should read my thread on "One Church or one church" to learn that RCC doctrine teaches the Church to be the body of baptized believers. Your RCC does not own that title.

 

[Constantine the Sinner]

I'm sure you may get a few responses to that.

What happened to the Petrine supremacy?

By the earliest Church fathers most looked to the seat of Rome as the head of the Church.

I'm not going to argue about things that will require a lot of depth to address, because that will hijack this thread way off topic. If you want to discuss Petrine supremacy, I would be happy to, but not in this thread. Make another one.

 

[redleghunter]

Now you've asked the right question!

Glad we were able to clarify the language.

Now I don't remember if you posed the question so I will ask in general to all here...what Scriptural evidence or truth claims are in question?