Easiest Defense of Sola Scriptura

[VanillaSunflowers]

Sola Scriptura wasn't a teaching of Christ's, I don't think, since he taught a lot that wasn't in Scripture.

Would Matthew 4:4 qualify as his teaching sola scriptura in his own words?

 

[redleghunter]

We must be careful of how we take the context of scripture. This passage, you posted, Mathew 18:17, is but a portion of the long line of people that you are to contact if you are done wrong by someone.

In other words, if your neighbor takes your wheel barrow and doesn't give it back, you should ask him. If that doesn't work you should get some buddies and the four of you approach him. If that still doesn't work you are to take it to the elders of the church.

This is NOT a passage that instructs us to "listen to the church" as apposed to "listening to the scripture", The Word of God, as they are written.

This does not put the word of the church above the Word of God.

Thank you for applying an element of Biblical exegesis.

 

[VanillaSunflowers]

OOPS! Must be getting tired. I missed "Jesus of the The Urantia Book" still there on your posts. I thought that maybe you were coming around to an authentic Christian viewpoint.

That's concerning. I must have missed it as well due to the late hour. Is there a mention of the Urantia book in this thread?
Asking rather than seeking through 9 pages of posts where I must have missed reading it myself.

 

[redleghunter]

1. To those who accept the evidence that it is, yes.
2. To those who accept the evidence that it is, yes.
3. To those who accept the evidence that it is, yes.
4. To what end?
5. Um, I think you're going too far here. What do you mean by "incontrovertible," exactly? What sort of truth are you talking about? All truth? Spiritual truth? Would you say 1+1=2 is incontrovertibly true? I would. Does this mean, to your way of thinking, that a mathematics textbook would also be "incontrovertible"?



Hmmm...I certainly hold to the idea of Sola Scriptura but I think "There is only Sola Scriptura" is a bit over-the-top.

Did the Early Church establish the truth of Scripture? Did it confer spiritual authority upon the canon of Scripture? I don't think so. The Early Church (not the RC church) merely recognized the truth and divine origin of Scripture and adopted those texts so recognized as the word of God. The Early Church, however, did not make Scripture true and/or divinely inspired. Those texts constituting the canon of Scripture were authoritative and God-breathed long before the RC Church formally acknowledged that they were.

Selah.

Well said.

 

[Colter]

Interesting indeed.
Where then did the idea of Jesus son of God enter in as the only begotten son of God? Who's to fulfill the Jewish prophecies speaking of the Messiah?

Your observation makes me think of the plural God used in Genesis. "Let us make him in our image and likeness." When Adam ate of the fruit God said he'd become like one of us.
Always the plural, as Elohim appears to indicate as well.

Only begotten means "unique".

 

[Colter]

That's concerning. I must have missed it as well due to the late hour. Is there a mention of the Urantia book in this thread?
Asking rather than seeking through 9 pages of posts where I must have missed reading it myself.

No, no mention, he's just taking shots at me because I'm not in his sect.

 

[Constantine the Sinner]

Would Matthew 4:4 qualify as his teaching sola scriptura in his own words?

No, not unless you're presuming God's words don't exist outside of Scripture, which Christ did not believe (or else he'd be a Sadducee, and in fact wouldn't even talk or teach as a divine authority outside of Scripture).

 

[VanillaSunflowers]

I sought out the Jewish Encyclopedia in hopes of answering my own question earlier.

What do you all think?Quite a read really.
SON OF GOD:

 

[Colter]

Do you think Jesus is a god, or the same God that the Father is?

Define God.

 

[VanillaSunflowers]

No, not unless you're presuming God's words don't exist outside of Scripture, which Christ did not believe (or else he'd be a Sadducee, and in fact wouldn't even talk or teach as a divine authority outside of Scripture).

I had understood , at least I think it is an proper understanding, that Jesus ministry encompassed a retelling of old testament parables. And those parables would then have a new ending due to his making the prophecy part of them come true. Thereby demonstrating he was the promised Messiah spoken of by the prophets.

No, no mention, he's just taking shots at me because I'm not in his sect.

Thank you for clearing that up.

 

[VanillaSunflowers]

It is rather late. I too shall be off. Till next time dear people.
God's prayers surround you in return.
Amen

 

[Colter]

I sought out the Jewish Encyclopedia in hopes of answering my own question earlier.

What do you all think?Quite a read really.
SON OF GOD:

I like Jewish Encyclopidia of 1908, it's a great window into Jewish thought life.

 

[Constantine the Sinner]

Define God.

The agent who created the universe.

 

[Constantine the Sinner]

I had understood , at least I think it is an proper understanding, that Jesus ministry encompassed a retelling of old testament parables. And those parables would then have a new ending due to his making the prophecy part of them come true. Thereby demonstrating he was the promised Messiah spoken of by the prophets.

Christ references Old Testament stories, but he also teaches ones that come directly from him. There is nothing in the Old Testament that overtly says you must eat the flesh and drink the blood of God to inherit eternal life.

 

[Colter]

The agent who created the universe.

Jesus is a Son of that agent. He has creative powers and authorities bestowed upon him. Having successfully completed the incarnation requirements of his Father he now has "all power and authority in heaven and on earth" granted to him. To us he is to all intents and purposes God. But he's still not the first agent.


Good night

 

[AnticipateHisComing]

These are premises; there's nothing incontrovertible about any of them. It's a matter of opinion that Scripture is God's word, an opinion that, with His grace, I agree with. Likewise it's a matter of opinion by some that God can and has spoken through other means as well.

What a pointless post, you might as well say it is opinion that Jesus is the one true God.
And, it is opinion when your Pope says there are other ways to find God.

There's only one way to find God-and the church's role is to point us to that Way. And it is certainly not incontrovertible that Jesus is the one true God. That truth has been intensely hammered out by the church, with early objections to it supported by scripture as modern day Arians still do to this day. The point is that you cannot prove anything on your list, to, say, a humanist, to support your claim of them being incontrovertible.

Understand that we are posting on something called Christian Forums. Understand that it has a doctrine statement of faith to post here. One part of that is that Jesus is God. This debate is on SS among Christians. We base our faith on certain concepts and we believe certain concepts because of our faith. It is not opinion in the least that we profess the core tenets of Christianity. As far as the truth of God's word in scripture; there would not be Christianity without these words.

 

[JacksBratt]

Judaism had no concept of Yahweh having a Son. So this was all news to them.

So, if the Jews don't accept that Jesus was the Son of God, does that mean that He isn't?

They certainly believe in a Messiah. They are just still waiting for Him. There eyes will be opened and the saving of the 144,000 will become a proven prophecy.

 

[JacksBratt]

Jesus is a Son of that agent. He has creative powers and authorities bestowed upon him. Having successfully completed the incarnation requirements of his Father he now has "all power and authority in heaven and on earth" granted to him. To us he is to all intents and purposes God. But he's still not the first agent.


Good night

I will pray for you, Colter.

 

[Constantine the Sinner]

Jesus is a Son of that agent. He has creative powers and authorities bestowed upon him. Having successfully completed the incarnation requirements of his Father he now has "all power and authority in heaven and on earth" granted to him. To us he is to all intents and purposes God. But he's still not the first agent.


Good night

So you don't believe all things were made by him (John 1:3)?

 

[JacksBratt]

Jesus is a Son of that agent. He has creative powers and authorities bestowed upon him. Having successfully completed the incarnation requirements of his Father he now has "all power and authority in heaven and on earth" granted to him. To us he is to all intents and purposes God. But he's still not the first agent.


Good night

Jesus created the universe.... thought I spelled that out..

Genesis 1:1 says that “God created the heavens and the earth.” Then, Colossians 1:16 gives the added detail that God created “all things” through Jesus Christ. The plain teaching of Scripture, therefore, is that Jesus is the Creator of the universe.