That's why I said it's just a thought, not meant to be taken too seriously and a way I see this scripture.
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That's why I said it's just a thought, not meant to be taken too seriously and a way I see this scripture.That is only your very poor interpretation of that verse. A more accurate one would ban photography. Didn't you try to use photography to prove your point?
I repeat my offer.
I am a Christian. I am a senior pastor, and as such have studied and preached on many of the verses FEers use in depth. It's not good form to start by throwing out accusations. The Bible talks of the "accuser of the brethren"... hint: It's not a good thing.if you've refuted, then be my guest. I am not only asking about the earth's shape, but if you've noticed, I am also speaking of the firmament, and stillness of the earth as well. I could go into the heavenly bodies and how they are all within the firmament as well, or even onto Noah, and his waters that came raining from the windows of heaven. Windows of which only make sense on a firm structure. Or even the ends of the earth, and how Jesus departed, and how he arrives, being seen by all people on earth, on your "globe" that does not make sense biblically. You can try it, but I doubt you will genuinely be analyzing the verses, or in their context, or as a Christian(i don't know if you are or not). Which my proposals are mainly towards other Christians, since the bible even states that what we believe is a stumbling block to the Jews, and foolishness to the greeks(in most translations, gentiles).
I didn't accuse, I actually stated that I did not know if you are a christian or not. There happens to be plenty of atheists here so I have no way of knowing. If you have it written somewhere that you are a Christian, then I did not read it. It is as simple as that. But I do notice that you have yet to refute any of what I've said, you've only claimed it all to be wrong. Which is dismissive and unimpressive.I am a Christian. I am a senior pastor, and as such have studied and preached on many of the verses FEers use in depth. It's not good form to start by throwing out accusations. The Bible talks of the "accuser of the brethren"... hint: It's not a good thing.
What you have done above is just throw a bunch of different and unrelated things out there without any context of what you believe the scriptures you reference are saying (other than the general "Earth is flat"), why you believe they point to a flat earth. Additionally, you have misrepresented 1 Cor 1:23 as well. Not a good start.
I suppose you are connected with a smartphone or something similar?I didn't accuse, I actually stated that I did not know if you are a christian or not. There happens to be plenty of atheists here so I have no way of knowing. If you have it written somewhere that you are a Christian, then I did not read it. It is as simple as that. But I do notice that you have yet to refute any of what I've said, you've only claimed it all to be wrong. Which is dismissive and unimpressive.
Accusation:I didn't accuse, I actually stated that I did not know if you are a christian or not.
but I doubt you will genuinely be analyzing the verses, or in their context
It says right under our name and avatarsThere happens to be plenty of atheists here so I have no way of knowing. If you have it written somewhere that you are a Christian, then I did not read it. It is as simple as that.
What is unimpressive is your selective reading:But I do notice that you have yet to refute any of what I've said, you've only claimed it all to be wrong. Which is dismissive and unimpressive.
Perhaps you'd like to actually clarify what you mean, as I stated above, before throwing out more verbal attacks.What you have done above is just throw a bunch of different and unrelated things out there without any context of what you believe the scriptures you reference are saying (other than the general "Earth is flat"), why you believe they point to a flat earth?
No, I'm actually the husband of TryphenaRose typing, and I have been the person speaking with you this whole time. I don't actually know much about this forum, except for what my wife tells me. This is why I was not aware of these stats. Thanks for the information!I suppose you are connected with a smartphone or something similar?
In the full web version, there is a box with some of your stats underneath your avatar, which can include your "faith".
For example, mine says "Atheist", yours says just "Christian" while topher has gone for a just slightly more specific "non-denom".
if you're not going to offer what you have to refute, then I guess there's nothing to say now is there? That is precisely what I have asked for.Accusation:
It says right under our name and avatars
What is unimpressive is your selective reading:
Perhaps you'd like to actually clarify what your mean, as I stated above, before throwing out more verbal attacks.
Refute what? Give me some scriptures and WHY you think they point to a flat earth... you've provided nothing but generalities, so all I can do is refute with generalities.if you're not going to offer what you have to refute, then I guess there's nothing to say now is there? That is precisely what I have asked for.
Ok, how about I have personally investigated over 200 scriptures used by flat earthers and have refuted them all. They have nothing to do with the shape of the Earth either way. Which one would you like to start with?
A while back on a similar thread someone posted a link to a website with over 200 scriptures that "proved" flat earth... I went through each one and found every single one lacking, often with the same mistakes made over and over... I mentioned if for context. But, if I use that I'll just be accused of referencing something you didn't say. There are 17 pages and over 300 posts on this thread. If you are convinced the Bible says the Earth is flat, it shouldn't be that hard to give one or two AND why you think they point to a flat earth... if you are going to claim that is what the Bible says, that HAS to be the starting point.Here you've said over 200 scriptures that you've refuted. That is what I've been waiting to hear this whole time. if you have over 200, couldn't you start anywhere? I already said to feel free and refute. I've left two long posts in this forum with plenty of verses already, you can start there if you like.
The passage is poetic ... there is no denying that."It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:" Isaiah 40:22 KJV
note how it states circle and not sphere. a circle being 2 dimensional and flat. If he is God, which He is, then He is perfectly able to have had the word ball or sphere in the place of circle, if he pleased. To state that the use of the word grasshoppers tent or curtains are poetic, thus the whole verse is poetic, is disengenuous.
Here's the closest thing I've got from you so far to an actual scripture and what you think it means:if you're not going to offer what you have to refute, then I guess there's nothing to say now is there? That is precisely what I have asked for.
While not directly about FE, it seems this is used to validate the opposition to FE. This quote highlights one of the typical deceptive tactics often employed by FE: changing the context.since the bible even states that what we believe is a stumbling block to the Jews, and foolishness to the greeks(in most translations, gentiles
It can be a little hard to go back through a long thread and find relevant posts.Here you've said over 200 scriptures that you've refuted. That is what I've been waiting to hear this whole time. if you have over 200, couldn't you start anywhere? I already said to feel free and refute. I've left two long posts in this forum with plenty of verses already, you can start there if you like.
Well... then I am off to bed... it's almost midnight here.to both of you @Freodin and @topher694 , sorry for the delay but I'm actually about to go out with my wife. I won't be back for a few hours, so please I insist you start with you're rebuttal so that by the time I come back I can see it. I simply don't have the time to write right now, for my wife's been waiting on me this whole time I've been speaking with the two of you.
Why is there no "Christian Only" section where we can talk about Flat Earth? Why is blasphemy allowed on a Christian forum? Why are you guys even here? I used the scientific method perfectly but you didn't agree because my experiment didn't align with your confirmation bias.
"It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:" Isaiah 40:22 KJV
note how it states circle and not sphere. a circle being 2 dimensional and flat. If he is God, which He is, then He is perfectly able to have had the word ball or sphere in the place of circle, if he pleased. To state that the use of the word grasshoppers tent or curtains are poetic, thus the whole verse is poetic, is disengenuous. you all use analogies to explain reality every single day. the use of grasshoppers relates to our size in relation to his, which is fitting. curtain denotes physicality and barrier, and tent does as well, coming all the way back around to His firmament. these things only sound poetic to those that ignore or write it off, but it can very plainly be seen what the bible is inferring.
In John 6, Jesus plainly states that we need to eat His flesh and drink His blood, otherwise we have no life in Him.you do see it plainly what it does say in God's word.
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