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There's something I've noticed over my years of being on the internet.

Your age has a dramatic impact on how seriously you are taken during discussions, even where it shouldn't seriously matter.

I decided to test this a few months ago. I went to a fairly large political discussion form and made three accounts.

The first account I set my age at 18, the second account I kept my age hidden, and the third account I set at 60.

I went on to interact with the forum and I made sure that all of these accounts posted the same basic subject matter stated in the same basic way with the relevant age perspectives in place.

Almost instantly, I noticed that my 60 year old was taken MUCH more seriously than my 18 year old but my ageless account was taken even more seriously than the other two.

I experimented with interacting about things that the 60 year old was less likely to have a great understanding of (the Internet, digital copyright, etc etc) and where the 18 year old was more likely to be comfortable with. In this case I found that even when the 60 year old demonstrated little to no understanding of the subject matter, what he actually said was taken more seriously than the 18 year old that demonstrated competence in the subject matter.

I repeated the test but instead used things like mortgage reform laws, tax cuts, Medicare, and veteran's affairs and the 18 year old was virtually ignored while the 60 year old was virtually the wise-man of the village, even after he set out he knew very little about actual policy. His opinions were taken much more seriously and treated with much greater respect.

In both of these tests, my ageless account was given much greater attention and respect if he demonstrated understanding of what he was talking about but virtually ignored or ridiculed if he didn't seem to understand the subject.

Overall, I found that, regardless of what you're actually saying, people online will tend to take you much more seriously and give your opinions more respect and weight if you are older, even if you don't clearly understand what you're talking about. Your opinion and ideas will still, generally, be given precedence over someone else who is younger, even if that person has a very clear and demonstrable understanding of what the discussion is about.

Most people's impulse, I'd think, would be to say "Well, of course! The 60 year old has more life experience and probably education than the 18 year old, so we should take their opinions more seriously." But that only makes sense as long as the 60 year old is demonstrating that they know what they're talking about. Why should age override ignorance?

What do you think?
 
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this is an issue i have been curious about myself. i personally have never given anyone credibility on any subject unless they show that they have knowledge of said subject. i have angered many "elders" because of my disregard for their age. my thoughts on the subject have always been the older a person is, the more likely they have come to a point to where they think they know enough to get by, which leads to complacent behavior, which ends up becoming a lack of knowledge and wisdom. being that the mind and body are for the most part linked, as the body begins to break down, so does the mind.
 
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My general rule of thumb:

Young people know very little, but are good at thinking.

Old people know very much, but are bad at thinking.

23-year olds know everything, and are extremely good in thinking. ;)

So if a discussion primarily involves facts, I'll go with the old guy. If a discussion primarily involves reasoning, following lines of evidence, etc, I'll go with young people.

There's also the general "respect for your elders" thing, and maybe some assumptions on the motivations behind posts. 14 year old posting something really stupid? You might assume that he's a troll, and/or be more likely to ridicule him. 60 year old posting something really stupid? You might assume that he's getting senile, and/or be more likely to politely disagree.
 
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Also I would be interested in seeing the threads in question... reading "respect" from a post is after all a bit of a subjective thing.

Also... The average post in a thread might get 1-2 replies, while being read by a whole bunch of people. The volume/manner of the replies says little to nothing about the respect that the average reader has for your opinion.
 
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Also I would be interested in seeing the threads in question... reading "respect" from a post is after all a bit of a subjective thing.

Also... The average post in a thread might get 1-2 replies, while being read by a whole bunch of people. The volume/manner of the replies says little to nothing about the respect that the average reader has for your opinion.

Pbbbbt. Whatever, kid. ;)

No, you're right, it's not a totally conclusive study. But the preliminary findings do suggest some sort of difference. A full-blown investigation to figure out (a) if that difference is actually there and (b) the reasons behind that difference would take more effort than one person with three accounts.
 
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Also I would be interested in seeing the threads in question... reading "respect" from a post is after all a bit of a subjective thing.
Respect in that what I said was listened to and replied with some modicum of seriousness and by certain posters who tended to ignore what they saw as juvenile.

Also... The average post in a thread might get 1-2 replies, while being read by a whole bunch of people. The volume/manner of the replies says little to nothing about the respect that the average reader has for your opinion.
This is quite true, however I encourage you to repeat my experiment and see if you get similar results.
 
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Now I'm going to go ahead and change my age, especially since this happened to me today. I was not taken seriously because of my age and was even told, when I'm older I'll understand the world better...on this forum no less!
 
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Now I'm going to go ahead and change my age, especially since this happened to me today. I was not taken seriously because of my age and was even told, when I'm older I'll understand the world better...on this forum no less!

I have seen that on here quite a bit. Though I am ashamed to admit it, I have even thought things along those lines. I try not to let a persons age influence my take on their points but sometimes it does happen.
 
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I have seen that on here quite a bit. Though I am ashamed to admit it, I have even thought things along those lines. I try not to let a persons age influence my take on their points but sometimes it does happen.
Yeah I've even been guilty of it in terms of life experience threads. However I listed sources to back up everything I had said and the only arguments against me were my age and whether or not I had any kids myself.
 
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I have met young people that are very deep thinkers and who have a lot to say, and some older people who are childish, mostly because they demand to be the teacher, and never the student or learner. One should never listen to someone who claims to have all the answers, regardless of the age.

That said, it is hard for me to take seriously statements that show a youth's naivete, such as, someone who is 13, who claims to know everything there is about relationships, or hasn't experienced unwanted pregnancy but is condemning others for abortion, even if it was incestual rape, can I take it seriously? Should I?

Part of being a wise child is listening to people that are older. If you start off being a "I know everything" 13 year old, you end up being the "I know it all" 60 year old who knows nothing.

But it isn't just an age thing. If you don't have any gay friends, haven't read much about the Scripture and homosexuality from both points of view, looked at studies on Twins and Homosexuality, etc., then you have no authority to say, "Oh, it's all a choice. I'm not gay, and I choose not to be." The person is even too blind to understand how much that doesn't make sense. But the age makes little difference.

It's easy for a person that has never had an unwanted pregnancy to tell other people in the situation what to do, but when you are in the situation, it is much harder. It is easy to say to people addicted to drugs, "Just say no, silly," if you have never had an addiction; it's just not very helpful, and shows little real empathy because the person doesn't care enough to understand what the person goes through, or what drugs do to the person. They simply point and judge.

That is my bigger issue. The age doesn't matter. However, if someone is claiming they have Polyanna advice, such as, "Don't be depressed. Be happy," not understanding clinical depression, it's like someone offering you a small band-aid for a serious knife wound.

It's hard to say, "Gee, thanks. You are a lifesaver."
 
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Here's an example:
If a young person says, "Why can't people just get along?"

It's like just say no. It's like Give Peace a Chance.
Yeah, I wish we all could, but we have to "be the change you want to see in the world."

But asking why "people just can't get along" is ignoring the reality that everyone in your class won't be quiet when the teacher says no talking, but rather understanding that that is the reality, the person demands that OTHERS get along, rather than doing anything to change the world, wanting the world to change for them.
 
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