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Something I've picked up on here is the idea of death to our old life and rebirth as something new. Baptism is a party of this, but it seems to be about more than that.
Could you please say more about this death?
Can you tell me what dies and how?
Can you please tell me your experience of what died in you and what you experienced during that time?

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Something I've picked up on here is the idea of death to our old life and rebirth as something new. Baptism is a party of this, but it seems to be about more than that.
Could you please say more about this death?
Can you tell me what dies and how?
Can you please tell me your experience of what died in you and what you experienced during that time?

Thank you.
We are born separated from God.

The Holy Spirit enters us, changes our hearts, gives us a desire for and faith in God, enables us to give up sinful ways/habits/practices.
Baptism is our entering into the New Covenant promises of God and into the Christian way of life, which is obedience to the law of Christ (Matthew 22:37-40) and the NT exhortations.

The death is to preferring the things of the world over the things of God.
You experience a hunger for the word of God in the Scriptures, a letting go of ungodly things and habits, and a joy within as you begin to live a new life with a new purpose, orientation and focus.
 
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(Experience is not always the best teacher. Experience is necessarily subjectively understood.)

Romans 6 says we died to sin.

Rebirth is the change the Spirit of God does to the person, by the grace of God alone. It is the work of God alone. It is the transformation from the mind of the flesh to the mind of the Spirit. From the slavery to sin --a 'living death'-- to love for (in) God.
 
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Can you please tell me your experience of what died in you and what you experienced during that time?

Jesus implies that taking up one's cross and denying one's self is an ongoing process. He says, at least in one gospel, do it daily. I don't think we can conflate baptism to the process of dying to self, which better falls under the doctrine of sanctification. One might not experience anything at baptism, except the experience of getting wet. That lack of experience does not affect the efficaciousness of what the sacrament represents. The process of sanctification, on the other hand, is experiential in that it encompasses one's whole life as they become more and more like Christ, loving God and neighbor. But, again, that experience is a lifelong process. We grow into our baptism, so to speak.
 
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Something I've picked up on here is the idea of death to our old life and rebirth as something new. Baptism is a party of this, but it seems to be about more than that.
Could you please say more about this death?
Can you tell me what dies and how?
Can you please tell me your experience of what died in you and what you experienced during that time?

Thank you.

Different people experience that "death" in different ways. On one extreme could be a murderous mafioso type who "dies" to that life of violence and sin. Another example may be an alcoholic or drug addict who "dies" to his life of addiction. In both cases they repent, meaning they change their minds about the life they have been living and change their behavior. The old man dies and the new man lives.

For most people it's not that extreme. It's more like a simple change in their priorities in life. But in all cases it is a change between living a life based solely on the here and now and a life in this world lived in anticipation of the life in the next world.
 
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Something I've picked up on here is the idea of death to our old life and rebirth as something new. Baptism is a party of this, but it seems to be about more than that.
Could you please say more about this death?
Can you tell me what dies and how?
Can you please tell me your experience of what died in you and what you experienced during that time?

Thank you.
Man is a tripartite being, spirit, soul and body. The part of man that is dead is the spirit. Death is not the end of existence. In essence it is separation from God. To be born again means to have a new, alive spirit.

I was born again a bit over 50 years ago. I was led to the Lord by my boss. I was in the Royal Australian Navy, at sea. No church, no choir, no band, no "Just as I am....." The first thing I noticed was that a load of guilt lifted off me. I hiked all day once and my pack was heavy. When I took it off, it was as if I was floating. That's what being guilt free was like.

The second thing I noticed was joy. I am by nature a dark and miserable introvert. Before Jesus saved me, I'd become disillusioned with life, suicidal, depressed and drinking myself to an early grave. I was 20. The cloud of gloom and hopelessness lifted immediately.

Next, I realised I'd found what I was searching for. I did not realise that I was searching. I'd never read the Bible, but I could identify with Ecclesiastes where it says that life without God is meaningless. God created man with an empty place in his life. Only God can fill that void. And that's what I experienced, even though I did not know it at the time.

I had peace in my heart for the first time in my life. I knew nothing about baptism. When I found out about it, I got baptised. However, I was no different when I got out of the water than when I got in. The real change in my life was effected that afternoon somewhere off the NSW coast. That change is eternal. 50 years later, I remember it as if it were yesterday.
 
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Something I've picked up on here is the idea of death to our old life and rebirth as something new. Baptism is a party of this, but it seems to be about more than that.
Could you please say more about this death?
Can you tell me what dies and how?
Can you please tell me your experience of what died in you and what you experienced during that time?

Thank you.
Beloved one, let us consider what we have heard:
“O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you that you should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed among you as crucified?”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:1‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

Beloved one, for we who obey the truth, before the eyes of our hearts Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed as crucified.

So the eye of our hearts should perceive that our old nature were crucified with Christ, died with Christ, buried with Christ.

For we heard:
knowing this, that our old man was crucified with Him, that the body of sin might be done away with, that we should no longer be slaves of sin.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭6:6‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

“For he who has died has been freed from sin.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭6:7‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

“Now if we died with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with Him,”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭6:8‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭6:4‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

Beloved one, the eye of our hearts should perceive that we were crucified with Christ, died with Christ, buried with Christ, so that the body of sin, or old nature might be done away, that we be no longer slave to sin because we who have died has been freed from sin, for we died with Christ that we believe that we shall also live with Him. Therefore, we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

This newness of life, is life with Christ and in Christ.

Beloved one, perceive God’s goodwill toward men. For this is what we have heard:

“But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us,

even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive TOGETHER with Christ (by grace we have been saved),

and raised us up TOGETHER, and made us sit TOGETHER in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus,

that in the ages to come He might show the exceeding riches of His grace in His kindness toward us in Christ Jesus.”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭2:4-7‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

Let our hearts perceive and understand Christ TOGETHER WITH US and IN US, that is God’s good will towards us.

Beloved one, the eye of our hearts should perceive that our old nature were crucified with Christ, died with Christ, buried with Christ, and in new nature, new nature of Christ, or likeliness of Christ, we made alive with Christ, raised up with Christ, made us sit together in Christ in the heavenly places, that God might show the exceeding riches of His grace in His kindness toward us in Christ Jesus.

To God the Father be all glory and thanksgiving through Christ. Amen.
 
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Something I've picked up on here is the idea of death to our old life and rebirth as something new. Baptism is a party of this, but it seems to be about more than that.
Could you please say more about this death?
Can you tell me what dies and how?
Can you please tell me your experience of what died in you and what you experienced during that time?

Thank you.
It is the " born again" experience. The indwelling of His Holy Spirit changes us from death to life. Our old condition dies and we are given a new condition everlasting life. In other words, no second death.
Blessings
 
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Man is a tripartite being, spirit, soul and body. The part of man that is dead is the spirit. Death is not the end of existence. In essence it is separation from God. To be born again means to have a new, alive spirit.

I was born again a bit over 50 years ago. I was led to the Lord by my boss. I was in the Royal Australian Navy, at sea. No church, no choir, no band, no "Just as I am....." The first thing I noticed was that a load of guilt lifted off me. I hiked all day once and my pack was heavy. When I took it off, it was as if I was floating. That's what being guilt free was like.

The second thing I noticed was joy. I am by nature a dark and miserable introvert. Before Jesus saved me, I'd become disillusioned with life, suicidal, depressed and drinking myself to an early grave. I was 20. The cloud of gloom and hopelessness lifted immediately.
Next, I realised I'd found what I was searching for. I did not realise that I was searching. I'd never read the Bible, but I could identify with Ecclesiastes where it says that life without God is meaningless. God created man with an empty place in his life. Only God
can fill that void.
And that's what I experienced, even though I did not know it at the time.
I had peace in my heart for the first time in my life. I knew nothing about baptism. When I found out about it, I got baptised. However, I was no different when I got out of the water than when I got in. The real change in my life was effected that afternoon somewhere off the NSW coast. That change is eternal. 50 years later, I remember it as if it were yesterday.
Indeed! I just love testimonies like that. . .and there are many. . .the Holy Spirit is so consistent.

Thanks for sharing!
 
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Something I've picked up on here is the idea of death to our old life and rebirth as something new. Baptism is a party of this, but it seems to be about more than that.
Could you please say more about this death?
Can you tell me what dies and how?
Can you please tell me your experience of what died in you and what you experienced during that time?

Thank you.

The Bible speaks of those who "are ever learning but unable to come to a knowledge of the truth." Each time a person encounters the truth of God and treats it like a curious bauble, something that is merely "interesting" rather than life-changing, divine and eternal, they set themselves deeper and deeper into such a response, in time becoming totally unable to recognize divine truth for what it actually is and cut off, as a result, from its transformative, revelatory and eternal importance and power. Just a word of warning.

Anyway, coming to salvation, being saved, is about coming into relationship with God the Father through Jesus Christ, the Son. No one can approach God on their own merits and be accepted by Him. We are all of us an unbridgeable distance from God's holy perfection, cut off from fellowship with Him by our sinfulness. None of us measures up because God's standard for doing so is Himself, His perfect holiness. (Jeremiah 17:9; Romans 3:10; Romans 3:23; Ephesians 2:1-3; Titus 3:3, etc.)

But God, who is rich in mercy, because He loves us with a great, boundless love, made a way through Jesus to satisfy the demands of His justice and holiness for us, and through Jesus come into relationship with Himself. (John 3:16; John 1:12; Romans 10:9-10; John 14:6; Acts 4:12; 1 Timothy 1:15, 1 Timothy 2:5, etc.)

When, by faith, a person trusts in Christ as their Savior, believing in his atoning work on the cross for them, paying the penalty for their sins, and with his blood cleansing them from the stain of their sin, the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of Christ (Romans 8:9) comes to dwell within that person, making them alive spiritually for the first time. Salvation, then, is a Person, Jesus Christ, not merely a declaration by God of one's liberation from eternal hell. (1 John 5:11-12) And only in him is salvation located.

Salvation involves, then, an exchange: One's old self-willed, rebellious life for a new God-controlled, Christ-centered and empowered life. In the Person of the Holy Spirit, Christ's life is imparted to the believer, but the believer is also placed in Christ, united with him, clothed in his perfect righteousness, and by "putting on Christ," the believer is redeemed from the curse and stain of their sin, freed from sin's power, set apart unto God as one of His own, and made a "joint-heir" with Jesus. (1 Corinthians 1:30; 2 Corinthians 5:17; Romans 13:14; Romans 8:17; Romans 8:9-11; Titus 3:5-8, etc.)

But, in order for this new, spiritual life to flourish, to develop and mature, the old, self-governed life must "die." Being anathema to each other, the two sorts of life cannot co-exist in some sort of balance or compromise. And so, Jesus said to his disciples,

Matthew 16:24-25
24 ..."If anyone wishes to come after Me, he must deny himself, and take up his cross and follow Me.
25 "For whoever wishes to save his life will lose it; but whoever loses his life for My sake will find it.


John 12:24-25
24 "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless a grain of wheat falls into the earth and dies, it remains alone; but if it dies, it bears much fruit.
25 "He who loves his life loses it, and he who hates his life in this world will keep it to life eternal.


It has largely disappeared from modern, western Christian declarations of the Gospel that this is what salvation entails. It's hard to build "ministry empires" and sell books and videos that condemn the sin that the unrepentant lost love so dearly, that preach death to Self and the crucified life of a servant of Christ to those who are radically invested in Self-centered living. But salvation is from just such a life unto a life under the Lordship of Jesus Christ, it is a dying to Self that the life of Christ might grow in, and flow out of, the born-again believer.

A person's simple trusting in Christ as their Savior and their yielding to him as their Lord, spiritually unites them to Christ, even to his death, burial and resurrection, and in so doing places them in a spiritual position in Christ that is free from the power of Sin and Self, raised in newness of life in him. This is what baptism symbolizes, in the NT offering the brand new believer an opportunity to connect their newfound faith to corresponding action, identifying with Christ publicly in his saving work on their behalf. (Romans 6:1-11; Galatians 2:20; Galatians 5:24; Galatians 6:14; Colossians 2:8-13; Colossians 3:1-3, etc.)

Too often, Christians try to manufacture for God the life that is already theirs in Jesus Christ, a life that is "dead unto sin but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord." (Romans 6:11) But baptism signifies that a life that is "dead" to the "old man" (Romans 6:6) is already accomplished for the Christian in Christ. He has put to death the "old man" on his cross some 2000 years ago. How, exactly? I've no idea and the Bible never says - just as it doesn't carefully explicate the exact mechanics of Christ's atonement for my sin. But if I can believe the latter, I must also believe the former.

What, for me, has this "death to Self and the World" looked like? What has my experience been? Well, "death," in the Bible, is fundamentally about separation: the soul from the body, the unrepentant sinner from God, the wayward child from his parent, the wicked from the righteous, and so on. As I, by faith, reckon myself "dead to sin and alive unto God through Jesus Christ" and submit myself to God's will and way throughout every day, the Holy Spirit works to conform me practically to the dead-to-sin person I am spiritually in Christ, separating me from the things of the World and from bondage to the impulses of my flesh, liberating me from my natural self-centeredness and placing me more and more under His control. (2 Corinthians 6:14-18; 2 Corinthians 3:18; Galatians 5:22-23; Philippians 2:13; 1 Thessalonians 3:11-13; 1 Peter 5:10, etc.)

This process of separation used to be filled with self-effort, torturous straining to be who God wanted me to be, trying, and working, and laboring to be like Jesus. But as I remain yielded to the Holy Spirit, in faith believing that I have been made dead to sin, separated from my old, unregenerate Self by my union with Christ in his death, burial and resurrection, the Spirit subtly and profoundly conforms me to these things, by His limitless power moving me effortlessly into His will and way, changing my desires so that they align with His, making God increasingly the Great Obsession of my life. And in this experience, I encounter deep joy, settled, solid peace, inner stability, incredible fulfillment and rest. I find, too, a clear, steady departure from the World, from its entertainments, philosophies, and values, from its preoccupation with the here-and-now and satisfying Self. In this "death" I have found life, not miserable, unending sacrifice; in dying with Christ, I have discovered the joy, and love, and grace that he is. And as this is so, I find greater and greater desire to yield up all in pursuit of the fullest experience of him that is possible.

Philippians 3:7-10
7 But what things were gain to me, those I counted loss for Christ.
8 Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,
9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
10 That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;
 
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Something I've picked up on here is the idea of death to our old life and rebirth as something new. Baptism is a party of this, but it seems to be about more than that.
Could you please say more about this death?
Can you tell me what dies and how?
Can you please tell me your experience of what died in you and what you experienced during that time?

Thank you.

Before I was saved, I had very little confidence and lived in a state where my sin dominated me to a degree. Once I was saved, my confidence grew, and my sin no longer controlled me. I am still from time to time tempted to sin, but I can see it for what it is and avoid it. Before I was saved I just gave into my sins.
 
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Something I've picked up on here is the idea of death to our old life and rebirth as something new. Baptism is a party of this, but it seems to be about more than that.
Could you please say more about this death?
Can you tell me what dies and how?
Can you please tell me your experience of what died in you and what you experienced during that time?

Thank you.

Deeply rooted ideas in your mind. Conscious and subconscious.

Just for example, from many previous generations and from the example of our fathers, we could have an idea that brute force is the ultimate equalizer. Then if there’s a death and rebirth, that ingrained idea looses its grip and power and a new one, of love forgiveness, humility and kind of softness of heart enters in instead. Not hypocritically, when you claim smth or confess outwardly, but deep down keep holding to the same old idea.. No, a true and deepest transformation with absolutely no turning back. Irreversible
 
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