drug use

[Anovah]

Without going in depth, one thing the Bible says is to be sober. A person is definitely not sober when their high.

Could you show me the related verse?

Thank you

 

[StreetPreacher]

2 corinthians 5:13, 1 Thess. 5:6&8, Titus 2:2&4&6, 1 Peter 1:13, 1 Peter 5:8. All from the KJV.

 

[Anovah]

2 corinthians 5:13, 1 Thess. 5:6&8, Titus 2:2&4&6, 1 Peter 1:13, 1 Peter 5:8. All from the KJV.

1 Thessalonians 5:6 Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.

This seems to say that when we are sleeping we are not sober. What do you think?

 

[sculpturegirl]

1 Thessalonians 5:6 Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.

This seems to say that when we are sleeping we are not sober. What do you think?

I think he is talking about spiritual sleep. Christ says that he will return like a thief in the night, so we must keep watch (5 wise virgins vs. 5 foolish virgins). If we are not sober and He returns, we are "spiritually asleep" so to say. ***************************

While I am not against having fun and relaxing, I have noticed that a lot of people care little about holiness. We ought to be persuing holiness and not trying to figure out all that we can get away with using "Biblical justification."

 

[aragorn]

Has your experience in this matter ruined your life in any conceivable way? Why or why not?

Well the whole truth is not going on this thread for the moment. Because it's long and complicated, and to some extent private.

But the short answer is, NO. I've done quite a few things that have messed up my life, but generally I don't think that taking LSD or Ecstasy have done me any harm. In fact they've tried to set me back on the right path.

If you want to know more I'm willing to talk further by PM.

 

[Anovah]

I think he is talking about spiritual sleep. Christ says that he will return like a thief in the night, so we must keep watch (5 wise virgins vs. 5 foolish virgins). If we are not sober and He returns, we are "spiritually asleep" so to say. ***************************

While I am not against having fun and relaxing, I have noticed that a lot of people care little about holiness. We ought to be persuing holiness and not trying to figure out all that we can get away with using "Biblical justification."

Ah, that's the kind of interpretation I wondering about. If the bible is referring to sleep as a spiritual sleep, would it make sense that it is referring to sobriety as spiritual sobriety?

What would you consider being holy in this matter? What exactly is it that you feel people are getting away with?

Thank you for responding

 

[sculpturegirl]

"Ah, that's the kind of interpretation I wondering about. If the bible is referring to sleep as a spiritual sleep, would it make sense that it is referring to sobriety as spiritual sobriety?"

Sobriety isn't necessarily the absence of drugs or alcohol in the body.

Main Entry: 1so·ber
Pronunciation: 'sO-b&r
Function: adjective
Inflected Form(s): so·ber·er /-b&r-&r/; so·ber·est /-b(&-)r&st/
Etymology: Middle English sobre, from Middle French, from Latin sobrius; akin to Latin ebrius drunk
1 a : sparing in the use of food and drink : [size=-1]ABSTEMIOUS[/size] b : not addicted to intoxicating drink c : not drunk
2 : marked by sedate or gravely or earnestly thoughtful character or demeanor
3 : [size=-1]UNHURRIED[/size], [size=-1]CALM[/size]
4 : marked by temperance, moderation, or seriousness
5 : subdued in tone or color
6 : showing no excessive or extreme qualities of fancy, emotion, or prejudice


Being holy isn't following a bunch of rules, but persuing God with your whole mind, soul and body. I do not think that drugs are good for the body nor a good witness to others, however.

I am very sceptical about people's personal honesty in their desire to do drugs. So, if you do some serious soul-searching and are 100% honest with yourself and still find that that drug us is an appropriate course of action and you are honestly seeking God with mind soul and body and still feel that it is ok to include recreational drugs, then it is between you and God.

 

[aragorn]

Good point. In fact the higher consciousness that can be attained by use of psychedelics is further away from drunkenness than normal everyday consciousness is. It's really very very different from being drunk, and most people who use them don't like alcohol much.

One point I'd like to share, if you haven't already written me off as not worth reading is that my experience of these drugs puts words of Jesus like "those who have ears to hear, let them hear.", in a whole new light. For you can discover that Creation itself makes a divine music, (so long as you don't do it in a city) and start to use this music as a guide.

 

[Soc12]

I think drug use is fine for some people but not all. A lot of people use it to relax themselves and feel good, and these people don't hurt anyone while doing it. However, other people do it and kill themselves or others while doing it, I've had 3 friends from high school kill themselves while on drugs, these types of people should not use it. I don't know how to enforce who uses it and who doesn't though, so I guess that is why government doesn't make it legal.

 

[sculpturegirl]

I am not sure that it is necessary to use drugs to hear the "music of the spheres." How do you know what you are experiencing is even real? Hallucinating is a false sense of reality and/or spirituality.

 

[GreenDragon]

I am not sure that it is necessary to use drugs to hear the "music of the spheres." How do you know what you are experiencing is even real? Hallucinating is a false sense of reality and/or spirituality.

You could say the same for dreaming during sleep, daydreaming, or even "think big for the future" kind of dreaming. Or writing fiction stories, or roleplaying...

You get the idea

 

[EarthCat]

I think you were high when you wrote this.

I think you were being hostile and judgemental when you wrote that.

EarthCat.

 

[EarthCat]

Yourself and God!

Moderate use of marijuana and/or alcohol is hurtful to oneself and to God? Can you justify that statement with any evidence of either? Is there any evidence in the Bible that marijuana is hurtful to God? Or are you merely jabbing hurtfully at someone for using a drug that isn't legal?

EarthCat

 

[psychedelicist]

hey there
i was just wondeing what you guys veiws on drug use are
i smoke weed regularly and am a big fan of psilocybin
and a few lesser known drugs
i see nothing wrong with it, if anything these drugs have helped my life alot
but the ever growing war on drugs has got me worryed to say the leased
so wha5t say you

Sounds like myself. Except it's a little hard to find mushrooms where i live, so I stick to san pedro and salvia.

I am personally getting sick of this whole drug war thing. It's punishing everyone for the mistakes of a bunch of idiots.

Drugs are nothing more or less than mere tools. Tools for pleasure, better mental or physical health, just about whatever you need. I personally use them to better my mind, and as far as I can tell it's working great. What would take months to change about myself through other means, can be done in one day with the right drug in hand.

Many people will say "But wouldn't it mean more if you did it the harder way, without drugs?" In a word, no. For one, drugs make it faster, but definitely not easier. Second, think of it like this:

What would you rather do, spend days pounding a nail into wood with your bare hands, or doing the same thing in 30 seconds with a hammer? With your bare hands, you could be hitting the nail for hours, and in the end, you're left with bloody palms and the nail might just fall out again by tomorrow. With a hammer, you get the job done much quicker, cleaner, more effectively. Does it mean less to you that you used a hammer instead of your own hands? Of course not, the hammer is simply a tool and you really don't even think twice about using one. It is the same basic concept with drugs.

Admittedly, there is much more danger to using drugs than there is to using a hammer. Unforseeable circumstances, and sometimes just plain stupidity are what cause all of these accidents related to drugs. But is it the drugs fault for simply being too addictive or powerful, or is it the persons fault for not being smart enough to be responsible?

 

[psychedelicist]

I am not sure that it is necessary to use drugs to hear the "music of the spheres." How do you know what you are experiencing is even real? Hallucinating is a false sense of reality and/or spirituality.

You are painting with a very large brush here. What you see in hallucinations is contingent upon the hallucinogen itself. Tryptamine derivatives (psilocybin, bufotenin, melotonin) show you aspects of your subconcious, just like a dream. Dissociatives (ketamine, salvinorin) are not real hallucinogens, but simply that, dissociatives. In a dissociative state, most people tend to drift off into dreams, so again you have the same effect as the former class. So of course, there is nothing false about the reality these give you, in fact it is exactly the opposite, they show you your true inner self.

 

[sculpturegirl]

You are painting with a very large brush here. What you see in hallucinations is contingent upon the hallucinogen itself. Tryptamine derivatives (psilocybin, bufotenin, melotonin) show you aspects of your subconcious, just like a dream. Dissociatives (ketamine, salvinorin) are not real hallucinogens, but simply that, dissociatives. In a dissociative state, most people tend to drift off into dreams, so again you have the same effect as the former class. So of course, there is nothing false about the reality these give you, in fact it is exactly the opposite, they show you your true inner self.

Yuo need to be care, Mr. I know a lot of people in their 40s and 50s who used a lot of drugs in the 60s and 70s and are having problems now. My mother's hands shake a lot of the time from it from using drugs 20 some odd years ago. It isn't good for your mind, it destroys your mind and your body. For goodness sake, look at Ozzie Osborn!

 

[Anovah]

Yuo need to be care, Mr. I know a lot of people in their 40s and 50s who used a lot of drugs in the 60s and 70s and are having problems now. My mother's hands shake a lot of the time from it from using drugs 20 some odd years ago. It isn't good for your mind, it destroys your mind and your body. For goodness sake, look at Ozzie Osborn!

Which drugs? Is there a difference in your opinion, in the way different drugs effect your mind? If it was more than one, how do you know which one(s) caused shaking? Which drug(s) do you think caused Ozzies problems?

 

[ElisaMozart]

well im not into drugs, im not into anything that affects the brain
Im not saying weed is very bad but too much of it can be not so good i think
i just think but that is my opinion,stay like who u are,accept ur body and ur mind,dont mess it up,dont try to make it perfect,nobody is...I think the best is to stay,Pure nature hehe

 

[Anovah]

well im not into drugs, im not into anything that affects the brain
Im not saying weed is very bad but too much of it can be not so good i think
i just think but that is my opinion,stay like who u are,accept ur body and ur mind,dont mess it up,dont try to make it perfect,nobody is...I think the best is to stay,Pure nature hehe

I'm not sure what you mean when you say you're "not into drugs" but then say you "think the best is to stay, Pure nature" Are you saying you are opposed to all pharmaceuticals? Please clarify if you could.

Note: I think the reason I have to keep asking this question is due to the ignorance (not stupidity mind you) created by the propaganda I mentioned earlier.

 

[Anovah]

Lets get one thing straight. I don't have justify myself to you or your religion. I don't have to justify myself to a religion that has murdered and tortured millions thoughout history. I don't have to justify myself to a religion that has given rise to groups such as the KKK. I don't have to justify myself to a religion that has a record of oppressing, persecuting and demonizing minorities (Jews, Wiccans, gays, blacks, ect). I don't have to justify myself to a religion that teaches that all other religions are forms of Satan worship and shouldn't be respected. I don't have to justify myself to a religion that teaches such a degrading view of humanity, that mankind is inherently evil and deserving of eternal torment.

Lets see you justify the evils of Christianity, then we can talk about my sins.

Looking at the passages he mentioned, it would seem the bible is not asking for literal sobriety any more than it is asking for literal abstinence from sleep.

Unfortunately StreetPreacher has not returned to comment.

Thoughts?