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Well, I am more interested in where.csheppard91 said:Why does the bible say that whine is a mockery?
lismore said:The Lord Jesus Christ drank wine. SO much so that the religous pharisees accused him of being a drunkard.
Matthew 11:19 NIV
The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and they say, 'Here is a glutton and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and "sinners." ' But wisdom is proved right by her actions."
Watch out for the yeast of the pharisee today
faith guardian said:it is wine, not whine.
Super Gnat said:BTW, the verse being referred to is Proverbs 20:1: Wine is a mocker and beer a brawler; whoever is led astray by them is not wise. Not a mockery, but a mocker. I think anybody who's ever seen a drunk person can recognize that.
JasmineJohnston said:we're told in Proverbs 31:6-7
"Give strong drink to him who is perishing,
And wine to him whose life is bitter.
Let him drink and forget his poverty
And remember his trouble no more."
Is drinking to forget one's-troubles , a good thing?
HeyHomie said:Proberbs 20:1 also says "Wine makes you mean, beer makes you quarrelsome."
The best way to understand the book of Proverbs is to not think of it as a series of Biblical commands or absolutes, but a collection of truisms that need to be understood in context.
I don't think that's saying to get them drunk, though. There's no prohibition on drinking in the Bible, though there are many admonitions about drunkenness.JasmineJohnston said:Yet we're told in
Proverbs 31:6-7
"Give strong drink to him who is perishing,
And wine to him whose life is bitter.
Let him drink and forget his poverty
And remember his trouble no more."
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King Lemuel (not random non-leaders) is told to help the oppressed, in the short term by assuaging their misery, and in the longer term by defending their rights and being a fair judge.Proverbs 31:1-9 said:The sayings of King Lemuelan oracle [a] his mother taught him: 2 "O my son, O son of my womb,
O son of my vows,
3 do not spend your strength on women,
your vigor on those who ruin kings.
4 "It is not for kings, O Lemuel
not for kings to drink wine,
not for rulers to crave beer,
5 lest they drink and forget what the law decrees,
and deprive all the oppressed of their rights.
6 Give beer to those who are perishing,
wine to those who are in anguish;
7 let them drink and forget their poverty
and remember their misery no more.
8 "Speak up for those who cannot speak for themselves,
for the rights of all who are destitute.
9 Speak up and judge fairly;
defend the rights of the poor and needy."
MidnightCandel777 said:Well, look at it this way. Back in Jesus' day, wine was made by a fat guy stepping on grapes. (Yummy, huh?) Anyway, drinking wink would be bad if one didn't abuse it.
Actually, wine is very good for the body if taken in moderation. The problem is that people don't know to use alcohol in moderation.
Bottom line, I would just stay away from it. Better not to be tempted than to fall, right?
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