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Drinking is bad?

9Harmony

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I'm kinda surprised noone has commented yet regarding the legal age limit. Isn't it 21 nationwide? So in that vein, drinking at age 19 is breaking the law.

Sorry to rain on your parade, but breaking the law is not a good thing.

Just because 'but everyone does it' does not make it right.

Regarding drinking in general...as a Baha'i I don't drink, anything that interferes with the clarity of the mind is to be avoided. But we do not expect those who are not Baha'i to live up to our standards.
 
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The law is a human concept. It gets broken everyday. Law are also relative to which country your in. If you were in let's say France, you are allowed to drink. If you were in Italy, you are allowed to drink. It's just that kids in the US are more immature, so they aren't allowed todrink.
 
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The law is a human concept. It gets broken everyday. Law are also relative to which country your in. If you were in let's say France, you are allowed to drink. If you were in Italy, you are allowed to drink. It's just that kids in the US are more immature, so they aren't allowed todrink.

just like i said just cuz everyone does it doesn't make it right. ;)

and where are you? US according to your icon, right?

laws may be manmade, but they exist for a reason, not to be cruel but to protect you and others.
 
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just like i said just cuz everyone does it doesn't make it right. ;)

and where are you? US according to your icon, right?

laws may be manmade, but they exist for a reason, not to be cruel but to protect you and others.

right and wrong can't be dictated by a governing state. It is up to the individual and his morals. Everyone's right and wrong is relative. I believe as long as I don't cause harm unto others and myself in whatever shape or form, I am not guilty of committing wrong.
 
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So...who's going to address the question of Hinduism's teaching on drunkenness? Also, does Hinduism teach a standard of personal morality in general?

Yes, it is a part of yoga (not the mcyoga you're probably more familiar with).

The eight limbs of Raja yoga:

- Yama - Code of conduct - self-restraint
- Niyama - commitments to practice, such as study and devotion
- Asana - integration of mind and body through physical activity
- Pranayama - regulation of breath leading to integration of mind and body
- Pratyahara - withdrawing the senses from their objects of enjoyment
- Dharana - concentration, one-pointedness of mind
- Dhyana - meditation
- Samadhi - the quiet state of blissful awareness, superconscious state
 
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just like i said just cuz everyone does it doesn't make it right. ;)

and where are you? US according to your icon, right?

laws may be manmade, but they exist for a reason, not to be cruel but to protect you and others.

Laws are not always right. In fact many people disagree with laws. So let's take a few example, gay marriage, abortion, marajuana, and other things are not suitable for everyone but as a nation it's the majority that implements them. There are much worse things than a 19 year drinking as a junior college student while playing checkers and going to a pirate party. Every 19 year shouldn't drink, but I personally think I have a better maturity and self restraint than most 21 year olds, so I made the judgement that I am capable of drinking without harming others.
 
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Yes, it is a part of yoga (not the mcyoga you're probably more familiar with).

The eight limbs of Raja yoga:

- Yama - Code of conduct - self-restraint
- Niyama - commitments to practice, such as study and devotion
- Asana - integration of mind and body through physical activity
- Pranayama - regulation of breath leading to integration of mind and body
- Pratyahara - withdrawing the senses from their objects of enjoyment
- Dharana - concentration, one-pointedness of mind
- Dhyana - meditation
- Samadhi - the quiet state of blissful awareness, superconscious state
Thank you.
Not knowing anything about yoga or Hindu pracices myself, can you tell me what exactly these listed things mean in relation to the consumption of alcohol/getting drunk?

Peace

glo
 
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It's not wrong persay, but I don't believe it's wise myself. In Buddhism, it breaks the Five Precepts.

I always thought Santana Dharma was the same in this regard, but I might be mistaken.

Sanatana Dharma doesn't force me to do anything. It is simply a guidline. There are infinite ways to find God in Hinduism :).
 
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Jesus didnt drink anything that was made from fruit of the vine. He was a nazirite. do not confuse this with a nazerene, which he also was.

A nazirite is a person who totally dedicates his life to God. They do not drink or eat from the fruit of the vine, and no blade touches the hair on their head.

It could be said that Samson was a nazirite, which is why he lost his God-granted physical strength when his head was shaved

I think you are correct here. Jesus was a Nazarene but also a Nazarite, who had strict regulations to follow. The wine He had on the cross, was vinegar, it was not alcoholic. And also just because we know he drunk with publicans, doesn't mean He was drinking alcohol.

I for one often drink with my non-Christian friends, (however I do have the occasional alcoholic beverage), but I'm not a Nazarite so I do have freedom to drink as long as not excessively.
 
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I know that nothing is "forced" and that there are just guidelines, but what positive benefit do you get from drinking?

I meet new people. I enjoy myself after a almost 65 hours of school work from the weekdays (classes + homeworks +labs & projects). Girls look more attractive :p and everyone is more laid back and easy to approach. I guess drinking lets the real me out without worrying about what society thinks of me.
 
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I am a college student, and I drink for pleasure now and then. Is that bad?

I'd say no. Now if you'd feel a need to drink daily, and/or if you'd drink to "not feel the pain any longer" (whatever pain that might be in your case), that would be another thing.

I admit that I drink quite regularly myself, but then, I'm hardly ever really drunk, so... :D
 
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I think you are correct here. Jesus was a Nazarene but also a Nazarite, who had strict regulations to follow. The wine He had on the cross, was vinegar, it was not alcoholic. And also just because we know he drunk with publicans, doesn't mean He was drinking alcohol.
That's interesting.

But his quote at the last supper seems to indicate that Jesus did drink wine ...unless he was talking about grape juice ... :scratch:
Then he took the cup, gave thanks and offered it to them, saying, "Drink from it, all of you. This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins. I tell you, I will not drink of this fruit of the vine from now on until that day when I drink it anew with you in my Father's kingdom." (Matthew 26: 27-29)

glo
 
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