Thanks for the clarification Memukan. This has given me a much better understanding of where you are coming from.
You have asked some good questions. I believe Yahshua can do anything but lie. Certainally Yahshua can give an interpretation to another <
I believe He does this regularly>. In this world of computers you have no idea who you are dealing with though. The local body, brothers and sisters that you know and you know their fruit is good ( meaning that it is ripe and good for consumption ) then yes share your dream. <
This is a good point & we do need to be cautious about what we let into our spirit, whether off-the-mark input comes from someone on the internet or an overzealous person from our local church from whom we see some good fruit. Many people have been deeply wounded in the context of the local church even from those who are bearing good fruit. So whilst I am a committed serving member of a local church, & good fruit is an important indicator to look for, we also need discernment as you say. > But, We have to be "wise and decerning" and our dreams need to be interpreted by scripture <
My view is that we need the scriptures & the leading of the Holy Spirit> and if the interpretation does not line up with the WORD it is false <Agree>.
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In the local church & all kinds of other situations we have to use discernment by the word & the Spirit when we have little visibility of a person's life, for example when a visiting speaker or new people come to a church, in large churches, or in a work context- for example recruiting or considering a business deal. As you say we do see less via the internet, but I don't believe this should exclude us from using this communications medium for the extention of God's kingdom & the building up of the saints.>
My belief is that 99% your dreams are personal and YAH gives them to draw you closer to HIS BOSOM.
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If I were to do a categorisation of my own dreams that I remember, this is roughly what I see:
- 50% from my own subconscious (I only post a small proportion of these here)
- 10% which I beleive are from the Lord to strengthen, encourage & comfort me
- 10% which I beleive are from the Lord that are visionary/prophetic or speak of the future for me personally or generally
- 20% which are what I would call intercessory dreams that I believe the Lord gives me as prayer assignments
these can relate to a nation, an issue in the my church or the church, people unknown to me or someone I know personnally. When I share these here people will regularly pitch in & pray.
- 10% which I beleive are from the Lord & that are primarily intended to convey something to others
These days the main way this happens is via this forum.
- less than 1% which are attacks from the enemy
(This has happened much less over the years. Either I am less of a threat to the enemy
or more confident of my authority in Christ.)
It is SONship that YAH desires for all who are called and chosen by HIM <
My perspective on what you are saying here is "being conformed to the likeness of His Son">. We are all at different levels of maturity<
Agree. The way that people who are young in the Lord learn is by stepping out & trying their gifting, unless a person tries something, they will never know if it is going to be a blessing to others or not. There is a significant group of people on the forum who have been walking with the Lord for many years who are able to help & guide those who are newer to the faith or testing a gifting.>. Firewater, people are influenced by all kinds of crap on TV or youtube or the internet or what they read in the news <
This is where we need discernment by the Spirit & the word as a measuring stick to weed this influence out of what people are saying to us in any context. People who are troubled by these things can also be helped here. See http://www.christianforums.com/t7594405/ as an example>. That has effect on the Visions of the Night as will as Joe and Sally Smoe's dream interpretations. <
These kind of things are also a factor in prophetic words a person may receive, pastoring from their home/cell group, receiving prayer, & any other context where a person is receiving input. They are also a factor in our own life personnally, no matter how much we may try to insulate ourselves. Indeed insulation from these things can have its own problems of isolation, fear & deception. Whilst I don't always do this, I like to try to use the ruler I am measuring others with on my own life.>
<We regularly hear concerns like those you have expressed from people when they first visit this sub-forum. I believe it is important for us to hear them because it helps us test, clarify & afirm what we believe. The more gracefully the concerns are expressed, the more likely people are to respond positively to them & think about their thoughts & beliefs, & perhaps steer in some correction. This site isn't for everyone however, and many people would be freaked-out by some of the posts. In a church context there are very few or no forums for the kind of sharing what goes on here, so it provides an important environment to give people with more unusual gifts a voice.>
In the Last Days which Peter says we have been in, since his sermon on The Day of Pentecost. (Acts 2:17-21) In these last days even the elect can be decieved.....if possible. So yes, I think believers are lazy and desire to be seen by mankind.<
I think when seeing this kind of thing in others we have to be careful that we don't fall into the trap of being self-righteous & seeing ourselves above others.> Just to clarify, believers need to beware of current affairs, but we also need to understand that YAHWEH is the GOD who is in COMPLETE control of world affairs and dreams and if you want to know the truth then we need to go to the ONE who is COMPLETE TRUTH. I hope this has answered your questions. <
Yes, thanks very much>
My view is that next to the word & the Holy Spirit thru personal relationship, the next most important way the Lord speaks to us is through others- apostles, prophets, pastors, teachers, evangelists & people with the other word gifts. Hearing from others is particularly helpful in relation to blind spots in our understanding of our character & gifts, & also when we feel too weak to encourage or help ourselves. And dreams are an extreemly valuable resource which provides insight into blind spots & deep needs. We are saved in Christ, His body, into the church- an interdependent group of people. So interaction with others is critical to our spiritual health.
I have seen a huge number of people helped with issues via dreams & the feedback on this site. Here are a few examples either coming to mind or that I found with some quick searches:
http://www.christianforums.com/t7574615/
http://www.christianforums.com/t7563805/
http://www.christianforums.com/t7582529/
http://www.christianforums.com/t7593433/
http://www.christianforums.com/t7431216/
http://www.christianforums.com/t7490827/
http://www.christianforums.com/t6651136/
There is a journey of discovery as dreams are posted & people reply. Often it's not so much about arriving at interpretations as about hearing from the Lord along the way. I have prayed for countries & situations I would never have otherwise prayed about because of dreams & interpretations on this forum eg
http://www.christianforums.com/t7440324/
http://www.christianforums.com/t7448210-2/
Through many of the dreams here the Lord gives insight into world events & things on the horizon or in the future that are not in the media or voiced on any other accessible forum. Prayer happens, people are prepared, protected & the Kingdom of God advances.
In addition to the direct feedback for people posting dreams, a resource like this sub-form also provides an important learning environment. We observe the dreams of others & hear feedback given about them & we learn more about our own dreams & how to help others understand their dreams. My understanding of dreams has improved considerably since coming to this site.
Over the time I have been on this forum I have also seem many non-Christians come to the forum with dreams they are enquiring about. I believe this act & the replies they have received have been important steps for them on their pilgrimage to meet & receive the Lord Jesus personnally.
On a public forum like this you will see many people from a wide range of backgrounds having a wide range of theology. As I assume is the case for most people, I don't agree with some of the things posted on the forum & I feel occasionally there is an over-emphasis on certain areas. Some of this comes down to areas of interest, one person will be interested in one topic area & post a lot dreams or replies relating to it & others will be interested in a different topic area & post on dreams relating to it. But I believe the Lord is in control & the thrust of what I see on this forum is people being builtup/edified & the non-Christians who come to the site are pointed to Jesus.
Prophecy is an example of one gifting where one person receives something from the Lord via another person rather than directly from the Lord in prayer or bible reading. Prophecy is also a gifting which is often exercised in contexts where minitry recipients have little personal visibility of the fruit of the person ministering as they often have itinerant ministries. In summary my view on dreams & people receiving feedback on dreams is similar to what the bible says about prophecy- we should give the Spirit freedom to move in this area, that we should not despise it, but test everything & hold on to the good.(1 Thes 5:19-21)
