Dr. Sam Storms on Eschatology

98cwitr · Apr 2, 2018

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Danoh · Apr 3, 2018

Douggg said:
God does not run a DNA test to determine who is an Israelite or a Jew. He doesn't need a calculator to know the numbers of hairs on your head. Ezekiel 37 has been fulfilled of joining the two sticks together to become one nation. Jerusalem is back in the hands of the Jews.

Reform theology's doctrine of the Church has become Israel - is proven wrong. But them who hold that doctrine can not come to grips with it.

That doctrine was threatened by the dispensationalists, when they came around. Which is reform theology followers attack dispensationalists so hard... obsessively, imo. I am not defending dispensationalism. But so much of this forum's commentary has to deal with defending Reform theology's doctrine of the Church has become Israel, when it is a lost cause.

Back before 2011, I had a theory that the 7 years would start in 2011, not later than, based upon 1948 +70. When 2011 came and went, and no confirming of the covenant for 7 years - did I dig in my heels and come up with all sorts explanations that it had actually been fulfilled in some abstract way? No, I didn't. I admitted the theory was a bust.

And I realized that the fig tree was not Israel - as commentators like Jack Van Impe were all saying. And that Juan Carlos was not the Antichrist as he was also saying. But the fig tree is Jerusalem, 1967.

What Reform theologists should do is the same, given the fulfillment of Israel becoming one nation again of Ezekiel 37, and abandoned the doctrine of the Church having become Israel - which it clearly hasn't.

A thought dougg...

A comparison of John the Baptist's words to the Pharisees in Matthew 3; with the Lord's parable of the Fig Tree in Luke 13, points to the Fig Tree being representative of Israel's Religious life.

And they are presently with out their religion's Temple.

At the same time, back when He spoke those words, they had the Temple: they had their full expression of their Religion.

Meaning His description of a Fig Tree in Matthew 24 had neither been about their Temple, nor about their being back in The Land one day, but had merely been about His warning Israel once more of their ever disobedient and gainsaying failure to take their Prophesied signs of the times as literally as they rightly took the Seasons.

Obviously both those things have to be in place, when His Prophecies play out.

But that does not necessarily mean He was using a parable of a Fig Tree in Matthew 24 as some sort of a sign of their times.

Fig Trees have different meanings in Scripture.

At the same time, the Lord having been a Literalist, His pointing out to Israel their having continually failed to take their Prophets literally, is a common theme in the Gospels.

Nevertheless, Rom. 14:5 towards you - in memory of Rom. 5:6-8 - in each...our stead.

Douggg · Apr 3, 2018

Danoh said:
But that does not necessarily mean He was using a parable of a Fig Tree in Matthew 24 as some sort of a sign of their times.

Do you mean sign of the times?

What do you do with this....?

32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:

33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.

34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

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Luke 13:
6 He spake also this parable; A certain man had a fig tree planted in his vineyard; and he came and sought fruit thereon, and found none.

Matthew 21:
18 Now in the morning as he returned into the city, he hungered.

19 And when he saw a fig tree in the way, he came to it, and found nothing thereon, but leaves only, and said unto it, Let no fruit grow on thee henceforward for ever. And presently the fig tree withered away.
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So that is why I am saying Jerusalem is the fig tree in the parable of the fig tree - that generation will not pass away, without seeing Jesus's return. I am looking at 1967 +70 years as when that generation will have reached it's generational limit.

BABerean2 · Apr 3, 2018

Douggg said:
Do you mean sign of the times?

What do you do with this....?

32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:

33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.

34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

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Luke 13:
6 He spake also this parable; A certain man had a fig tree planted in his vineyard; and he came and sought fruit thereon, and found none.

Matthew 21:
18 Now in the morning as he returned into the city, he hungered.

19 And when he saw a fig tree in the way, he came to it, and found nothing thereon, but leaves only, and said unto it, Let no fruit grow on thee henceforward for ever. And presently the fig tree withered away.
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So that is why I am saying Jerusalem is the fig tree in the parable of the fig tree - that generation will not pass away, without seeing Jesus's return. I am looking at 1967 +70 years as when that generation will have reached it's generational limit.

Mat 3:9 And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.
Mat 3:10 And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

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Douggg · Apr 3, 2018

BABerean2 said:
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He missed the entire point. What it really boils down to is that reality doesn't match the Reform theology that the Church has become Israel.

BABerean2 · Apr 3, 2018

Douggg said:
He missed the entire point. What it really boils down to is that reality doesn't match the Reform theology that the Church has become Israel.

How can you continue to ignore the fact that the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and is specifically applied to the Church in Hebrews 12:22-24, and 2 Corinthians 3:6-8.

How can you ignore Peter addressing the crowd as "all the house of Israel" on the Day of Pentecost, in Acts 2:36?
How can you ignore the fact that when the Church began almost all of its members were Israelites?
The Church as a whole has never been a "Gentile Church".

How can you ignore the passage found below?

Gal 6:15 Certainly, it doesn't matter whether a person is circumcised or not. Rather, what matters is being a new creation.
Gal 6:16 Peace and mercy will come to rest on all those who conform to this principle. They are the Israel of God.
(GW)

As found in Matthew 1:1, and confirmed by Paul in Galatians 3:16, Jesus Christ is the ultimate fulfillment of Israel.

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Douggg · Apr 3, 2018

BABerean2 said:
How can you continue to ignore the fact that the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and is specifically applied to the Church in Hebrews 12:22-24, and 2 Corinthians 3:6-8.

How can you ignore Peter addressing the crowd as "all the house of Israel" on the Day of Pentecost, in Acts 2:36?
How can you ignore the fact that when the Church began almost all of its members were Israelites?
The Church as a whole has never been a "Gentile Church".

How can you ignore the passage found below?

Gal 6:15 Certainly, it doesn't matter whether a person is circumcised or not. Rather, what matters is being a new creation.
Gal 6:16 Peace and mercy will come to rest on all those who conform to this principle. They are the Israel of God.
(GW)

As found in Matthew 1:1, and confirmed by Paul in Galatians 3:16, Jesus Christ is the ultimate fulfillment of Israel.

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Therefore, Reform theology has to explain away what everyone in the world sees - as being an illusion.

Video is titled "Fake temple, fake Israel" - but what? no fake messiah?

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