Dont be yoker with unbelievers

[hugoguttman]

Do Not Be Yoked With Unbelievers

14Do not be yoked together with unbelievers. For what do righteousness and wickedness have in common? Or what fellowship can light have with darkness? 15What harmony is there between Christ and Belial[1] ? What does a believer have in common with an unbeliever? 16What agreement is there between the temple of God and idols? For we are the temple of the living God. As God has said: "I will live with them and walk among them, and I will be their God, and they will be my people."[2]

I would like you to help me on this: Can I say that for a Christian is not valid to have a relationship with a catholic? Does it represent a yoke with unbelievers? What about a relationship between cristians but from different denominations?
Thanks
Pax.
Hugo.

 

[MizDoulos]

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[4Jesus]

Hello Hugo,

 I have grappled with this question too. When the ecumenical movement started some 30 plus years ago, people thought it would bring brotherhood between different faiths but does ecumenism come at the cost of people that are weak in their faiths being compromised? It would probably depend to a great extent on the individual and how strong in their beliefs they are. For instance, how indepth should people socialize with people that have different doctrinal beliefs and have children that are still of an impressionable age?

I personally feel strong in my doctrinal beliefs and have no small children at home. Each case is different and has to be based on the criteria.

I hope this helped you. 

4Jesus  

 

[Job_38]

When two oxen pull a cart, it is best when they pull the same way. If you're relationship with Christ pulls one way and the relationship with others pulls another, it will pull you off track. Be friends with them, love them, but do not let them become an influence in your life. Christ first always.

 

[4Jesus]

I'm glad this topic came up. I have been having phone converstions with a lady that is an un-believer and have been trying to decide whether or not to continue. I confronted her about it but it didn't do any good. The opportunity arose and I shared the gospel with her but it went no place. So I think I am going to believe that I may have been able to plant a seed with her and I am going to let someone else water it.

4Jesus


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[hugoguttman]

Hello:
First of all, my intention was not posting this thread to confront anyone. Thank you moderator for making this point very clear.
I was catholic and now I am a christian. But sometimes It makes me feel unconfortable the way christians reffer to catholic people. Some of them holds them like death people,as they think they dont have Jesus in their hearts, that only christian people have Him... but sure they dont know that there are nice catholic people and very bad christians people too. As Juan Bautista said... Here it comes the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world. We are the world... everyone in this land could be a Son Of God, if he accepts Jesus in his or her heart.
I got a bit confussed, because if I say I can not get engaged with a catholic girl which follow the same God but with different behaviours... that is the conflicting word behaviour... custom...because that "alien" will take me away from God. God is not Elitist, but sure, as somebody said, with wisdom... If I pull for one side, my partner MUST pull the same way and not the opposite. That is very clear. So I say I am not God to say you are death and I am alive...

The opportunity arose and I shared the gospel with her but it went no place. So I think I am going to believe that I may have been able to plant a seed with her and I am going to let someone else water it.

... and Other will make it grow.
Words full of wisdom.
Pax.
Hugo.

 

[dignitized]

As if catholics are not CHRISTIAN?? oy vey

 

[4Jesus]

God will give the increase (make it grow).

 

I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase. 1Cor.3:6

4Jesus

 

[Athlon4all]

If the Catholic is a true Born again believer (and this applies to other denominations as well, people do walk around calling them selves "religious" and affilated with a certain denomination, but have not been born again), then yes you can marry him/her, but as you are feeling right now, I too would have a very difficult time marrying a catholic because many of trhe dcotrinal differences are very close to being foundational differences, If I were in that situation, I would pray about it. I don't think Biblically a Protestant-Catholic marriage is wrong, so then it should come down to God's will.

 

[Live4Jesus]

Originally posted by Job_38
When two oxen pull a cart, it is best when they pull the same way. If you're relationship with Christ pulls one way and the relationship with others pulls another, it will pull you off track. Be friends with them, love them, but do not let them become an influence in your life. Christ first always.

 

[Live4Jesus]

Originally posted by 4Jesus
I'm glad this topic came up. I have been having phone converstions with a lady that is an un-believer and have been trying to decide whether or not to continue. I confronted her about it but it didn't do any good. The opportunity arose and I shared the gospel with her but it went no place. So I think I am going to believe that I may have been able to plant a seed with her and I am going to let someone else water it.

4Jesus

Ye also that is generally a good idea, move on... someone else will come along if God has His hand there have no doubt...

Blessings!


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[4Jesus]

Thnx L4J

4J

P.S. Can anyone tell me the secret of getting the Quick Reply to work?

 

[hugoguttman]

Athlon4all wrote:

I don't think Biblically a Protestant-Catholic marriage is wrong, so then it should come down to God's will.

I agree with you. But sure we must keep in mind the "pull the same way" rule on our minds.
Now, if we think there could be a relationship between a Christian and Catholic... then what are we going to call yoker with unbelievers to? Whom are Paul referring as darkness... hell... belial?

God will give the increase (make it grow).

Thank you 4Jesus for your correction My english is getting better everyday!!!
Pax.
Hugo.

 

[4Jesus]

Originally posted by hugoguttman
Athlon4all wrote:

I agree with you. But sure we must keep in mind the "pull the same way" rule on our minds.
Now, if we think there could be a relationship between a Christian and Catholic... then what are we going to call yoker with unbelievers to? Whom are Paul referring as darkness... hell... belial?

Thank you 4Jesus for your correction My english is getting better everyday!!!
Pax.
Hugo.

The word beliel means worthless, wicked. The passage in 2Cor.6:14 is dealing with lawlessness just as Ephesians 5:11 tells us to reprove the un-saved for their works of darkness so also 2Cor. is telling us to stay clear of the un-saved or un-believer.

Maybe Colossians 2:22 would be more appropriate for you. The passage is dealing with the fact that it is a worthless gesture for someone to base their eternal salvation on the Mosaic law with its dietary habits that has been annulled for Christians but it still points out that Christians are not to follow the "doctrines of men."

So back to 2Cor. Is someone saved by faith in the atonement of Jesus alone, or are they saved because of the sacraments of the Roman Catholic church? Can you term someone a wicked un-believing person for promoting doctrines of men over what scripture says?

I think your trolling and this discussion should be moved to a section where you can debate Roman Catholicism vs. Protestantism.

4Jesus

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[sbbqb7n16]

Side note on topic: Do not be yoked together doesn't mean don't have anything to do with... just in case that generalization comes up like I have seen it come up before...

Romans 13:10 - Whether or not you are "yoked" together with them, you are still called to love them. Do that and you don't really have to worry about who falls under which category.

Proverbs 3:6 - Always acknowledge God and He will show you which way to go... He knows the "believers" and the "unbelievers" so prayer is the best way to find a final answer on this topic.

Originally posted by 4Jesus
Thnx L4J

4J

P.S. Can anyone tell me the secret of getting the Quick Reply to work?

Ummm type in your post and click send? I'm sure you've tried that, but if that doesn't work, I don't know what else to do lol Normally the quick reply (at the bottom of each thread page) is the only method I use to repsond... unless of course I need to quote someone. But that's about it lol Hope that helps Have a great day!

 

[dignitized]

NOTE - It is IMPROPER to say: between a Christian and a Catholic when what you MEAN TO SAY is between a PROTESTANT and a Catholic.

Catholic is Christian. If you cannot accept Catholic's as being Christian, I can safely say that Christianforums is the wrong place for you.

 

[seebs]

Originally posted by hugoguttman

Now, if we think there could be a relationship between a Christian and Catholic... then what are we going to call yoker with unbelievers to?

Huh?

One of my friends married a Catholic, and why not? They're both Christians.

 

[4Jesus]

Originally posted by sbbqb7n16
Side note on topic: Do not be yoked together doesn't mean don't have anything to do with... just in case that generalization comes up like I have seen it come up before...

So why give such a graphic example of being yoked together? It shows close contact.

Romans 13:10 - Whether or not you are "yoked" together with them, you are still called to love them. Do that and you don't really have to worry about who falls under which category.

 We will come in contact with people and Christians are not to work ill towards anyone, even if they are a proven wicked person. So what does this prove one way or another about being yoked together with unbelievers?

4Jesus 

 

[potatohorse]

i love my catholic bretherans.

 

[dignitized]

potato: Please do not think I am attacking you - that is not my intent - but I must say: IF YOU LOVE SOME ONE, YOU COME TO THEIR DEFENSE WHEN THEY ARE FALSELY ACCUSED. How can I say I love catholic’s as brethren in the faith unless I speak up when they are being attacked and disparaged? I would do no less for any that I love or call brethren. God tells us to love or enemies - if we love our enemies who are divided from us by anger and belief - how much more should we love those who are together with us as one BODY - the Body of Christ?