Don’t Forget What the Israel-Hamas War Is About

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A NOTE FROM THE PUBLISHER: As the brutal war in Gaza moves into its next phase, we must never forget that Hamas’ evil surprise attack on Israeli civilians was the spark that caused the fire.

It has been four weeks since Hamas launched a surprise attack against Israel. Now, Israel is engaged in a long and bloody ground invasion of the Gaza Strip, the territory controlled by Hamas. The horror and ugliness of war has been brought regularly to our eyes in recent days, and such images likely will continue for many more weeks, even months, and, with them, growing calls for an immediate cease-fire to halt the Israeli advance.

This is a good time to remember why this brutal war is happening in the first place: because Hamas, a terrorist organization, invaded Israel across internationally recognized borders to murder, rape and kidnap innocent people. No matter what happens in the future, it is vital that we never lose sight of the fact that the current bloodshed was initiated by an act of depravity where Hamas militants killed more Jews than in any single day since the Holocaust.

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Well, remember that in 2008, Israel broke the ceasefire agreement with Hamas, and bombed Gaza.

Of course they had their excuse, just like Hamas has their excuse. The innocent people suffer, which
is what always happens in war.
 
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Continued prayers for the Hostage's to be released immediately, Hamas to stop launching missiles at Israeli Citizens and surrender, putting an end to all the needless killing.
Amen!
 
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Well, remember that in 2008, Israel broke the ceasefire agreement with Hamas, and bombed Gaza.

Of course they had their excuse, just like Hamas has their excuse. The innocent people suffer, which
is what always happens in war.
Can you cite any credible, verifiable evidence for this statement? I don't think Hamas would wait 20+ years to retaliate.
 
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Well, remember that in 2008, Israel broke the ceasefire agreement with Hamas, and bombed Gaza.

Of course they had their excuse, just like Hamas has their excuse. The innocent people suffer, which
is what always happens in war.
Hamas is a terror org that the Palestinians are backing. It is irrelevent if a Muslim personally agrees to their actions.

Think ISIS, Al-Qaeda etc.

Hamas is not the separate cornerstone of the Muslim faith/religion like Baaths or Shiites, Sunni or Shia etc

They are the largest Sunni terrorists.
A terror org is part of Muslim religion.
Jihad is part of their faith.
 
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Can you cite any credible, verifiable evidence for this statement? I don't think Hamas would wait 20+ years to retaliate.
2008 - In November, Israel violates a ceasefire with Hamas and other Gaza-based militant groups that has been in place since June, launching an operation that kills six Hamas members. Militant groups respond by launching rockets into southern Israel, which Israel shortly thereafter uses to justify Operation Cast Lead, its devastating military assault on Gaza beginning on December 27. Over the next three weeks, the Israeli military kills approximately 1400 Palestinians, most of them civilians, including more than 300 children. A UN Human Rights Council Fact Finding Mission led by South African jurist Richard Goldstone subsequently concludes that both Israel and Hamas had committed war crimes and crimes against humanity during the fighting, a judgment shared by human rights organizations such as Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch.



Gaza truce broken as Israeli raid kills six Hamas gunmen​


I watched a YouTube interview with Norm Finklestein, and he pointed out the sins committed by Israel since 1948.

FYI, Norm Finkelstein is a Jew who's relatives were killed in the Holocaust. Those who accuse him of being
a self-hating Jew is nonsense.
 
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2008 - In November, Israel violates a ceasefire with Hamas and other Gaza-based militant groups that has been in place since June, launching an operation that kills six Hamas members. Militant groups respond by launching rockets into southern Israel, which Israel shortly thereafter uses to justify Operation Cast Lead, its devastating military assault on Gaza beginning on December 27. Over the next three weeks, the Israeli military kills approximately 1400 Palestinians, most of them civilians, including more than 300 children. A UN Human Rights Council Fact Finding Mission led by South African jurist Richard Goldstone subsequently concludes that both Israel and Hamas had committed war crimes and crimes against humanity during the fighting, a judgment shared by human rights organizations such as Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch.

Gaza truce broken as Israeli raid kills six Hamas gunmen

I watched a YouTube interview with Norm Finklestein, and he pointed out the sins committed by Israel since 1948.

FYI, Norm Finkelstein is a Jew who's relatives were killed in the Holocaust. Those who accuse him of being
a self-hating Jew is nonsense.
Interesting. Did you happen to read the second article? The refence to tunnels sounds familiar.
Israeli troops crossed into the Gaza Strip late last night near the town of Deir al-Balah. The Israeli military said the target of the raid was a tunnel that they said Hamas was planning to use to capture Israeli soldiers positioned on the border fence 250m away. Four Israeli soldiers were injured in the operation, two moderately and two lightly, the military said...."This was a pinpoint operation intended to prevent an immediate threat," the Israeli military said in a statement. "There is no intention to disrupt the ceasefire, rather the purpose of the operation was to remove an immediate and dangerous threat posted by the Hamas terror organisation."​
 
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Interesting. Did you happen to read the second article? The refence to tunnels sounds familiar.
Israeli troops crossed into the Gaza Strip late last night near the town of Deir al-Balah. The Israeli military said the target of the raid was a tunnel that they said Hamas was planning to use to capture Israeli soldiers positioned on the border fence 250m away. Four Israeli soldiers were injured in the operation, two moderately and two lightly, the military said...."This was a pinpoint operation intended to prevent an immediate threat," the Israeli military said in a statement. "There is no intention to disrupt the ceasefire, rather the purpose of the operation was to remove an immediate and dangerous threat posted by the Hamas terror organisation."
But the ceasefire was violated and the world condemn Israel for it.

Did you ever read about the destruction of Palestinian homes on the West Bank, in order to make room
for Jewish Settlements? Israel claims the Palestinians didn't have permits for the houses. The problem is,
the houses were built before the state of Israel was created.

There are sins on both sides and it's just a matter of how much suffering you're willing to see inflicted on
the innocent.
 
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But the ceasefire was violated and the world condemn Israel for it.

Did you ever read about the destruction of Palestinian homes on the West Bank, in order to make room
for Jewish Settlements? Israel claims the Palestinians didn't have permits for the houses. The problem is,
the houses were built before the state of Israel was created.

There are sins on both sides and it's just a matter of how much suffering you're willing to see inflicted on
the innocent.
The cease fire was in the process of being broken by "Palestinians." Tunnels, remember? Let's get real here. The nation of Israel was established by God about 4000 years ago. That some self proclaimed "prophet" decided to attack Israel and set up his kingdom there, about 1300 years ago doesn't make the land his or his descendants. If you look at pictures of "the Dome of the Rock" you will see large rectangular paving stones under it. Those were built by Solomon about 4000 years ago. A most sacred place for Jews is "the western" or "wailing" wall, other than the paving stones that is the only part of the temple that still remains, it to was also built by Solomon about 4000 years ago.

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The cease fire was in the process of being broken by "Palestinians." Tunnels, remember? Let's get real here. The nation of Israel was established by God about 4000 years ago. That some self proclaimed "prophet" decided to attack Israel and set up his kingdom there, about 1300 years ago doesn't make the land his or his descendants. If you look at pictures of "the Dome of the Rock" you will see large rectangular paving stones under it. Those were built by Solomon about 4000 years ago. A most sacred place for Jews is "the western" or "wailing" wall, other than the paving stones that is the only part of the temple that still remains, it to was also built by Solomon about 4000 years ago.

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Also truth that same self proclaimed prophet killed many Byzantine Christians and took their mosques. Erased most of the images except the images of the Virgin. Then claimed the workmanship a thousand or so years later.



This is 2023.

Hamas is a Sunni terrorist org that the Palestinians either allow or simply do not care so long as someone is making war.
They hate the Israeli's


And if they did not they wouldn't have it written to behead them in the Quran.

2023 started by Hamas.
 
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The cease fire was in the process of being broken by "Palestinians." Tunnels, remember? Let's get real here. The nation of Israel was established by God about 4000 years ago. That some self proclaimed "prophet" decided to attack Israel and set up his kingdom there, about 1300 years ago doesn't make the land his or his descendants. If you look at pictures of "the Dome of the Rock" you will see large rectangular paving stones under it. Those were built by Solomon about 4000 years ago. A most sacred place for Jews is "the western" or "wailing" wall, other than the paving stones that is the only part of the temple that still remains, it to was also built by Solomon about 4000 years ago.

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The tunnels were built because Israel has a blockade at the ports and at the point if entry. The only way to get food, medicine
and clothing to the Palestinians in Gaza, is to use the tunnels.

You can justify the killing of innocent people by Israel, but you must learn the history on why the Palestinians would support
an organization like Hamas. The violation of the ceasefire in 2008, is just one of the infractions done by Israel.
There are many more including persecution of Christians in Israel.


There are plenty of sins from both sides, Hamas and Israel. To turn a blind-eye toward the Israeli government as they
commit what amounts to genocide of women and children in Gaza, goes against everything Jesus taught.

This was written in 2012, but is part of the reasons for the conflict with Palestinians.

and for more info on Gaza and Israel:

 
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The tunnels were built because Israel has a blockade at the ports and at the point if entry. The only way to get food, medicine
and clothing to the Palestinians in Gaza, is to use the tunnels.

You can justify the killing of innocent people by Israel, but you must learn the history on why the Palestinians would support
an organization like Hamas. The violation of the ceasefire in 2008, is just one of the infractions done by Israel.
There are many more including persecution of Christians in Israel.


There are plenty of sins from both sides, Hamas and Israel. To turn a blind-eye toward the Israeli government as they
commit what amounts to genocide of women and children in Gaza, goes against everything Jesus taught.

This was written in 2012, but is part of the reasons for the conflict with Palestinians.

and for more info on Gaza and Israel:

You want history how about 1948.






Palestine was Jewish territory.


The Arab-Israeli War of 1948 broke out when five Arab nations invaded territory in the former Palestinian mandate immediately following the announcement of the independence of the state of Israel on May 14, 1948. In 1947, and again on May 14, 1948,




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You want history how about 1948.






Palestine was Jewish territory.


The Arab-Israeli War of 1948 broke out when five Arab nations invaded territory in the former Palestinian mandate immediately following the announcement of the independence of the state of Israel on May 14, 1948. In 1947, and again on May 14, 1948,




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From the article:
"On November 29, 1947, the United Nations General Assembly adopted Resolution 181 (also known as the Partition Resolution) that would divide Great Britain’s former Palestinian mandate into Jewish and Arab states in May 1948. "

The problem was that the Palestinians were not invited to the table that was being developed by UN. The Zionists also rejected the UN's proposal and when they declared the State of Israel, they used their own borders instead of the UN's, which started the Arab Israeli war
in 1948.

When that war started, Palestinians left their homes in order to get out of the cross fire. When the war ended, they tried to return to their homes but were driven back at gun point. Many were put on buses or cattle cars and driven to the desert bordering Gaza. They were told,
"Egypt is that way." The problem is that Egypt closed their border, and the Palestinians were left as refugees in Gaza and have been there ever since.

Then of course in the more recent time, Palestinians living on the West Bank, which was originally supposed to be part of the Two State solution, were also driven out of their homes in order to make room for Jewish Settlements. The Palestinian houses were bulldozed to the ground. Most of the Jewish settlers on the West Bank settlements, came from the United States and Europe. They were not natives there.
 
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From the article:
"On November 29, 1947, the United Nations General Assembly adopted Resolution 181 (also known as the Partition Resolution) that would divide Great Britain’s former Palestinian mandate into Jewish and Arab states in May 1948. "

The problem was that the Palestinians were not invited to the table that was being developed by UN. The Zionists also rejected the UN's proposal and when they declared the State of Israel, they used their own borders instead of the UN's, which started the Arab Israeli war
in 1948.

When that war started, Palestinians left their homes in order to get out of the cross fire. When the war ended, they tried to return to their homes but were driven back at gun point. Many were put on buses or cattle cars and driven to the desert bordering Gaza. They were told,
"Egypt is that way." The problem is that Egypt closed their border, and the Palestinians were left as refugees in Gaza and have been there ever since.

Then of course in the more recent time, Palestinians living on the West Bank, which was originally supposed to be part of the Two State solution, were also driven out of their homes in order to make room for Jewish Settlements. The Palestinian houses were bulldozed to the ground. Most of the Jewish settlers on the West Bank settlements, came from the United States and Europe. They were not natives there.
They thought the resolution was too favorable to the Jews.

You not seeing the hate and envy in that?

So what did they do?
They secretly met to destroy Israel and take it all.

It would seem to me, though the Jews renounced the Lord [Pharisees] He does not want them harmed.
BUT their secret desire to annihilate shows the truth of their spirit they follow.

So instead of defending this group of KNOWN Sunni terrorists which the Palestinians stated were terrorists [to keep their hands clean]
lets not go back to 2008 - but face 2023.

Who started it - again??

And the 2008 was one time the Jews started it. That's past.

Let's check out ALL the other times the Muslims started it, eh?

2023, Muslims started it again.
 
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They thought the resolution was too favorable to the Jews.
According to whom the Zionist?

The Zionist rejected the UN's border for the state of Israel and drew their own. Again,
the Palestinians weren't even invited to the UN meeting. The Israeli's tried to tell the
world that there were few people living there anyway. It turns out there were 700,000
indigenous people, only 80,000 were Jews.

The Zionists blew up the Kind David Hotel in 1946, killing 91 people including a British diplomat,
Assistant Secretary Downing C. Thompson.

As I said before, there are plenty of sins committed on both sides, but it's only here in the US
that we get the Jewish side of the story. Europe gets more info from both sides, but we can
reject anything the Palestinians say, right? :doh:
 
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Seems like there is good reason to be skeptical towards whatever he says. Others, Hamas most likely, regard him as a hero.
 
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A NOTE FROM THE PUBLISHER: As the brutal war in Gaza moves into its next phase, we must never forget that Hamas’ evil surprise attack on Israeli civilians was the spark that caused the fire.

It has been four weeks since Hamas launched a surprise attack against Israel. Now, Israel is engaged in a long and bloody ground invasion of the Gaza Strip, the territory controlled by Hamas. The horror and ugliness of war has been brought regularly to our eyes in recent days, and such images likely will continue for many more weeks, even months, and, with them, growing calls for an immediate cease-fire to halt the Israeli advance.

This is a good time to remember why this brutal war is happening in the first place: because Hamas, a terrorist organization, invaded Israel across internationally recognized borders to murder, rape and kidnap innocent people. No matter what happens in the future, it is vital that we never lose sight of the fact that the current bloodshed was initiated by an act of depravity where Hamas militants killed more Jews than in any single day since the Holocaust.

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Christians have always felt an attachment to the Holy Land. And we recognize our special bond with the Jewish people. In fewer than two years, we will commemorate the 60th anniversary of Nostra Aetate, a declaration from Pope Paul VI on the relationship between Christianity and other religions. While our outreach to religions like Islam is commendable and rooted in a genuine desire for peace and principled ecumenism, the Church’s relationship to Judaism is unique.

As Nostra Aetate recalls, the apostles “sprang from the Jewish people,” and “the spiritual patrimony common to Christians and Jews is … so great.” For that reason and due to the Gospel’s universal call to love, the Church “decries hatred, persecutions, [and] displays of anti-Semitism, directed against Jews at any time and by anyone.”

Hamas has made it clear publicly, and for decades, that it is driven by antisemitism and a desire for the eradication of the Jews. Catholics cannot and should never support Hamas.

Yet Catholics can, and should, empathize with the innocent on both sides. Just as we mourn with the Jewish people in the face of the evil of terrorism, we also recognize that innocent Palestinian civilians, including a small number of Christians, suffer greatly in this ancient religious conflict. The number of Christians in Israel has held steadily at 184,000, and the approximate 1,000 in Gaza and the less than 46,000 in the West Bank live under constant threat and continue to decline. Our Christian brothers and sisters in the Holy Land often face suspicion and hostility all around, distrusted because they are united neither to the Jews in Israel nor to the vast majority of their fellow Palestinians, who are Muslim.

The truth is, Christians are the most persecuted religious group in the world, and Christians in the Middle East face the added burden of being a minority mistrusted and attacked by almost every other group around them.

Our distinct perspective as Catholics — mourning for the innocent, sharing a spiritual patrimony with the Jewish people, and spiritually sharing in the suffering of our Christian brothers and sisters caught in the crossfire — gives us clarity amid the confusion. We can recognize that the problem isn’t Islam, Judaism, the Palestinian people or the Israeli people. The problem — and the immediate cause of this war — is Hamas, an Iranian government-connected, well-funded terrorist organization that preys upon its own people, using them as human shields, and is driven by a desire for genocide. Hamas took over Gaza in 2007 in a bloody battle — not against the Israelis, but against rival Palestinians, hundreds of whom it killed. It is a partner in a network of Iranian regime-supported terror groups, from Hezbollah in Lebanon to other militias in Syria, Iraq and Yemen.

This single fact is going to be vital to remember in the face of false narratives being spread in the West. Many with “Western eyes” see the war through the prism of intersectionality, where only certain people are honored with victim status due to their race, sex, national origin, gender and other qualities. Through this lens, the plight of the Palestinians stands in for the ideologically preferred causes of the hard left, like LGBT rights, “reproductive justice” and feminism.

Left-wing members of Congress issued statements appearing to blame Israel for Hamas’ terrorism. Black Lives Matter chaptersand student organizations at elite universities and other progressive groups have protested against Israel. We can only presume that many of the people in America marching for Palestine and Hamas are members of the very same “woke” crowd who protested the overturning of Roe v. Wade, attack judges for being Catholic, and push gender ideology on schoolchildren.

Yet imagining there exists unity among every class the left deems as “oppressed” is farcical. Authoritarian religious groups like Hamas would kill LGBT-identifying people, feminists and other members of the progressive “victim” class without remorse, crushing the movement they represent.

Although it is championed by some progressives, Hamas doesn’t stand for Western progressive ideas of justice for the oppressed, nor does it uphold Christian devotion to protecting the innocent or only engaging in wars that are just. As such, every Catholic should hope that Hamas is removed from power.

While we do so, we must always strive for genuine peace and protect innocents to the greatest degree possible. This will take great effort and wisdom. Aid is difficult to provide in any warzone, and in Gaza we should expect resources meant for civilians to be stolen by Hamas, which, after all, has no problem sacrificing its own people to bolster its cause, which is the total destruction of Israel.

Likewise, removing Palestinians and calling for mass resettlement isn’t a just option either. As Cardinal Michael Czerny, who manages migration and refugee issues for the Vatican, put it, people have the “right not to emigrate, that is, to remain in one’s homeland.” In the Holy Land, this call has a particular weight for Christians. There, we aren’t just striving to preserve the most sacred sites of our faith, but to save an ancient people who trace their lineage to the first apostles to stay rooted in their homeland. Yes, in many cases, Hamas won’t let people leave or the Egyptian-Israeli blockade makes it impossible, but Palestinians also know that once they become refugees, they may never return to their homeland.

While there is no clear way out of this crisis, Church leaders have nonetheless strived for true peace more consequential than a one-sided cease-fire. The Vatican stands ready to mediate. Cardinal Pierbattista Pizzaballa, the Latin Catholic patriarch of Jerusalem, said he was willing to exchange himself for children taken hostage in Gaza, and he consecrated the region to Our Lady, Queen of Palestine and the Holy Land. And Pope Francis called Catholics on Oct. 27 to a day of prayer and fasting — the two weapons Christ himself told us had the power to cast out demons (Mark 9:29), like the demons of hatred and war.

Let us continually take up those weapons, praying and fasting for a lasting peace in the Holy Land and that the evil of terrorism will never arise there again.

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