Dominion vote switching physically impossible

Valletta · Nov 23, 2020

Desk trauma said:
Once cast there is no way to trace a ballot back to a specific voter.

Is this the next legal strategy, challenge the practice of secret ballots?

You had Republican observers illegally blocked from properly observing
and you had rules put in place 60 days, 90 days before the election by Democrats, whether by an Attorney General or a Governor, in order to circumvent the law. The violations of law are numerous and of great severity and if the legal and legal-only votes cannot be verified it is only fair not to award the election to those who cheated.

Aryeh Jay · Nov 23, 2020

Speedwell said:
Well, we can forget about it anyway. Sidney Powell concocted that conspiracy theory and Trump just fired her for it.

Draining the swamp! Another promises kept!

A_Thinker · Nov 23, 2020

Valletta said:
You had Republican observers illegally blocked from properly observing
and you had rules put in place 60 days, 90 days before the election by Democrats, whether by an Attorney General or a Governor, in order to circumvent the law. The violations of law are numerous and of great severity and if the legal and legal-only votes cannot be verified it is only fair not to award the election to those who cheated.

Both parties always have a representative to observe and confirm the validity of the vote ...

lasthero · Nov 23, 2020

Valletta said:
You had Republican observers illegally blocked from properly observing
and you had rules put in place 60 days, 90 days before the election by Democrats, whether by an Attorney General or a Governor, in order to circumvent the law.

Oh, really? Wow.

What rules? And who put them in place? Pray, tell.

whatbogsends · Nov 23, 2020

disciple Clint said:
That looks a lot like flaming or goading, it is also not a positive or respectful refection on Jesus, maybe an edit would be a good idea

Flaming is posting false claim after false claim like Erik Nelson has been doing.

You also appear to have misinterpreted at least some of Neogaia's comments. He wasn't commenting on Jesus in the least.

TLK Valentine · Nov 23, 2020

Valletta said:
Really. Well let's take a sample of the ballots and ask the particular voters if they would be willing to verify that's who each really voted for. Let the Republicans pick the district.

Secret ballots? What secret ballots?

whatbogsends · Nov 23, 2020

Erik Nelson said:
Claims for Philadelphia range from:

old fashioned ballot box stuffing:

How A Philly Mob Boss Stole The Election — And Why He May Flip On Joe Biden – The Clover Chronicle
(cp. Ex Philly election official pleads guilty to voter fraud (nypost.com) )
(cp. South Philly judge of elections admits he took bribes to stuff the ballot box for Democratic candidates (inquirer.com) )
(cp. Indictment of Former Democrat Congressman Widens Voter Fraud Case in Philadelphia - Tennessee Star )

"curing" (filling in) ballots with votes for Democratic candidates:

CHRISTINA BOBB: DAY 3. THE EVIDENCE OF VOTER FRAUD CNN CAN’T FIND - YouTube

barring (all but a few) Republican observers from (anywhere near actual) vote recording:

I Was In Philadelphia Watching Fraud Happen. Here’s How It Went Down (thefederalist.com)

electronic vote manipulation (of "ES&S" hardware running "Smartmatic" software uploading votes to "Scytl" databases overseas):

Philadelphia's Horrible Record of Democrat Voter Fraud Hits New Low - Voting Machine Laptop and Memory Sticks "Stolen" (thegatewaypundit.com)

"All Roads Lead to Rome" (so to speak):

ES&S hardware uploads votes to "Clarity" database owned by "Scytl"

Dominion hardware uploads votes to "Democracy Suite" database owned by "Scytl"

Dominion, Scytl, ES&S, And Smartmatic Are Engaged In Engineering Election Results - YouTube

Those corrupt Democrats just couldn't decide which way to cheat, so they did them all!

If they switched votes using machines, they wouldn't need to block poll watchers, cure ballots, or what have you.

You keep on throwing garbage at the wall, just trying to get any of it to stick.

TLK Valentine · Nov 23, 2020

Erik Nelson said:
You'd take mega-corporations over US States ?

The US states say the election was conducted just fine...

Valletta · Nov 23, 2020

whatbogsends said:
Those corrupt Democrats just couldn't decide which way to cheat, so they did them all!

If they switched votes using machines, they wouldn't need to block poll watchers, cure ballots, or what have you.

You keep on throwing garbage at the wall, just trying to get any of it to stick.[/QUOTE
It was obvious something was up when the large Democrat cities in the swing states quit counting right at the point when, in a past election, the media would call the election for Trump. When the counts started coming in again they dramatically switched to Biden. The affidavits will show how much of it was done. We do know for sure that Republican observers were illegally prevented from properly observing at that time--absolutely outrageous. Their conduct has not been condemned at all by the Democrat leaders. As to the specifics of how the cheating took place the public will learn more once all of the affidavits are made public.

RocksInMyHead · Nov 23, 2020

Valletta said:
Really. Well let's take a sample of the ballots and ask the particular voters if they would be willing to verify that's who each really voted for. Let the Republicans pick the district.

They're supposed to do that before they hand the paper ballot to the poll worker. It's half the point of printing out a hard copy - the other half being the ability to compare electronic totals to the printouts and confirm that no one modified the data or forgot to upload the contents of a flash drive. Ballots are not able to be traced back to "particular voters" because one of the principles of voting in this country is that ballots are secret. Election databases will record that you voted, but who you voted for is never tied to your identity.

Kentonio · Nov 23, 2020

Erik Nelson said:
Claims for Philadelphia range from:

old fashioned ballot box stuffing:

How A Philly Mob Boss Stole The Election — And Why He May Flip On Joe Biden – The Clover Chronicle
(cp. Ex Philly election official pleads guilty to voter fraud (nypost.com) )
(cp. South Philly judge of elections admits he took bribes to stuff the ballot box for Democratic candidates (inquirer.com) )
(cp. Indictment of Former Democrat Congressman Widens Voter Fraud Case in Philadelphia - Tennessee Star )

"curing" (filling in) ballots with votes for Democratic candidates:

CHRISTINA BOBB: DAY 3. THE EVIDENCE OF VOTER FRAUD CNN CAN’T FIND - YouTube

barring (all but a few) Republican observers from (anywhere near actual) vote recording:

I Was In Philadelphia Watching Fraud Happen. Here’s How It Went Down (thefederalist.com)

electronic vote manipulation (of "ES&S" hardware running "Smartmatic" software uploading votes to "Scytl" databases overseas):

Philadelphia's Horrible Record of Democrat Voter Fraud Hits New Low - Voting Machine Laptop and Memory Sticks "Stolen" (thegatewaypundit.com)

"All Roads Lead to Rome" (so to speak):

ES&S hardware uploads votes to "Clarity" database owned by "Scytl"

Dominion hardware uploads votes to "Democracy Suite" database owned by "Scytl"

Dominion, Scytl, ES&S, And Smartmatic Are Engaged In Engineering Election Results - YouTube

This right here is why you guys keep tumbling straight into conspiracy theory territory. You start off with a single claim, and then as that claim is pointed out to not make any sense, there has to be a new claim that explains away the discrepancies. Before long your claim has turned into a dozen claims, each as wild as the first.

Hank77 · Nov 23, 2020

Valletta said:
You had Republican observers illegally blocked from properly observing

That isn't true they were kept at the same distance Dems. and Indep. were. The Trump lawyers admitted in court that they were able to observe.

Valletta · Nov 23, 2020

Hank77 said:
That isn't true they were kept at the same distance Dems. and Indep. were. The Trump lawyers admitted in court that they were able to observe.

You are misinformed. The supposed "admission" was that observers were in the room--the press can be tricky. A real tell as to the truth is that Republicans were able to get a court order to get them within ten feet--but the sheriff's office wouldn't enforce it. Obviously they got the court order because they were further away than ten feet. I

Kentonio said:
This right here is why you guys keep tumbling straight into conspiracy theory territory. You start off with a single claim, and then as that claim is pointed out to not make any sense, there has to be a new claim that explains away the discrepancies. Before long your claim has turned into a dozen claims, each as wild as the first.

People have filed sworn affidavits, under penalty of perjury--that can get them five years in prison for making a false statement. What I've seen is quite matter of fact.

Hank77 · Nov 23, 2020

Valletta said:
The supposed "admission" was that observers were in the room--the press can be tricky. A real tell as to the truth is that Republicans were able to get a court order to get them within ten feet--but the sheriff's office wouldn't enforce it. Obviously they got the court order because they were further away than ten feet. I

The court order let all the observers within 6". They gained 4". They had agreed to obey the covid-19 rules. If they didn't want to do that they shouldn't have been there. They agreed to wear masks and not to touch the electors, ballots, computers, etc.

EDIT: adding sources
A Pennsylvania Commonwealth Court judge overturned a lower court ruling and ruled that election observers can stand “within six feet” of the vote counting process, after the Trump campaign had accused election officials of “hiding the ballot counting and processing from our Republican poll observers” by forcing them to stand further away.
PA Judge Rules In Favor Of Trump Campaign, Causing Philly To Pause Its Vote Count Temporarily

Judge reverses Philadelphia Court ruling, orders all campaign representatives can observe vote counting process from distance of 6 feet | wnep.com

Aryeh Jay · Nov 23, 2020

TLK Valentine said:
The US states say the election was conducted just fine...

The Democratic Controlled States? The States with oppressive Democrat Governors? The States that are AGAINST the current President? The States that WANT and NEED Joe Biden to win at any cost? Those States?

Aryeh Jay · Nov 23, 2020

Hank77 said:
The court order let all the observers within 6". They gained 4". They had agreed to obey the covid-19 rules. If they didn't want to do that they shouldn't have been there. They agreed to wear masks and not to touch the electors, ballots, computers, etc.

I just checked the United States Constitution, the Law of the land, and couldn’t find the Covid-19 clause.

trunks2k · Nov 23, 2020

Hank77 said:
EDIT: adding sources
A Pennsylvania Commonwealth Court judge overturned a lower court ruling and ruled that election observers can stand “within six feet” of the vote counting process, after the Trump campaign had accused election officials of “hiding the ballot counting and processing from our Republican poll observers” by forcing them to stand further away.
PA Judge Rules In Favor Of Trump Campaign, Causing Philly To Pause Its Vote Count Temporarily

IIRC, a higher court later overturned THAT, pointing out that the law does not specify distance the observers need to be at and local election officials can, generally, make the distance rules as they see fit. But by that point it was mostly moot since the counting was already mostly completed, but it keeps the "WE WEREN'T ALLOWED CLOSE ENOUGH" from being used as an argument in litigation to overturn ballots or whatever.

TLK Valentine · Nov 23, 2020

Aryeh Jay said:
The Democratic Controlled States? The States with oppressive Democrat Governors? The States that are AGAINST the current President? The States that WANT and NEED Joe Biden to win at any cost? Those States?

Yep... and the others, too... for good measure.

Hank77 · Nov 23, 2020

trunks2k said:
IIRC, a higher court later overturned THAT, pointing out that the law does not specify distance the observers need to be at and local election officials can, generally, make the distance rules as they see fit. But by that point it was mostly moot since the counting was already mostly completed, but it keeps the "WE WEREN'T ALLOWED CLOSE ENOUGH" from being used as an argument in litigation to overturn ballots or whatever.

I think that was the PA Supreme Court.

Hank77 · Nov 23, 2020

Aryeh Jay said:
I just checked the United States Constitution, the Law of the land, and couldn’t find the Covid-19 clause.

The US Constitution doesn't comment on state election laws. Every state makes their own determinations about what they need to do.

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