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[Yarddog]

It's really not that hard to follow, go to your post claiming my quote a fallacy where I said " the majority of the states in the United States define marriage as between a man and a woman"

Then go to chart for confirmation.

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Your claim is a fallacy because the polls do not fully support your statement. You say: "And 5 single individuals over ruled what the majority of the people... defined as marriage between a man and a women"

This is an incorrect statement because polls show that the majority of people in the US want gay marriage legalized. Your chart doesn't reflect what the majority of people want "today".

The 2nd part of your statement "and the majority of the states in these united states defined as marriage between a man and a women" would apply.

It shows which states have passed laws or changed them to allow gay marriage and "states that still have DOMA style laws of some sort". The latter stat doesn't reflect how the people of those states feel about gay marriage or how many of those states may change their laws to reflect the majority of their citizens over the next few years.

In short, the majority of Americans believe that gay marriage should be the law of the land though the majority of states "still have their old laws against gay marriage". Many of those states will not change their laws unless SCOTUS rules they must based on the 14th Amendment.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

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"Your claim is a fallacy because the polls do not fully support your statement.

This is an incorrect statement because polls show that the majority of people in the US want gay marriage legalized. "

Yeah the poles can't be bias or manipulated in any way shape or form by the pole takers could it?

 

[seeingeyes]

I believe their weights and balances might be a little off balance by all the corruption and bribe taking going on between the law makers and big business.

So the corruption in the Supreme Court balances out the corruption in the Congress. :shrug:

But it's not as though the Supreme Court acting in the capacity that it was designed to by the Constitution is somehow unAmerican. On the contrary.

 

[ebia]

That's funny, the activist Supreme command just this week alone has tore down 2 laws that congress had inacted into law by unanimous decisions.

Government by, and for the people? Ha!

Government must not be above the law, even in a democracy.

 

[Yarddog]

Yeah the poles can't be bias or manipulated in any way shape or form by the pole takers could it?

You can try to misrepresent a poll quite easily, as you tried to do.

 

[seeingeyes]

It just occurred to me that the purpose of the Supreme Court is to protect the people from their own duly elected representatives.

I feel like I just got trolled by the founding fathers.

 

[Jake Brake]

Public accomodation laws in some states already require it--this Supreme Court act doesn't change that.

I'd have to look it up, but there already has been one case in which a Church was required to rent a retreat for a homosexual event because they commonly rented that retreat to the public for all kinds of other activities.

I don't see a problem with this. It must means churches must devote--that is, hold holy and sacred--that which they claim pertains to God. If they profane their property by commercial use such as public rental, then profanity is profanity, to God as well as to man.

If the church has set a precedent in renting out to public then anyone may enter into contract to rent the facility, but maybe the clergy may not be forced to preform a marriage ceremony. But there are many clergy that would preform the service, for a fee.

Just get the church booked honey, I'll bring the preacher.

 

[RDKirk]

If the church has set a precedent in renting out to public then anyone may enter into contract to rent the facility, but maybe the clergy may not be forced to preform a marriage ceremony. But there are many clergy that would preform the service, for a fee.

Just get the church booked honey, I'll bring the preacher.

More and more into the future, it will be necessary for the Body of Christ to separate those things that should be devoted to the Lord from the worldly system. At this point, laws in the US permit it, and more and more will demand it.

The issue of medical insurance for church organizations is an example. Catholics and some evangelicals bristle at having to purchase insurance from a company that also provides coverage for contraception and abortion. I personally think that falls within the realm of having qualms about eating food that may or may not have been offered to idols, but that is a case where the Body of Christ could separate itself from the worldly monetary system by using a health care trust fund rather than commercial insurance. Or better yet--run our own hospitals again, funded by the Body of Christ like St Jude.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

So the corruption in the Supreme Court balances out the corruption in the Congress. :shrug:

But it's not as though the Supreme Court acting in the capacity that it was designed to by the Constitution is somehow unAmerican. On the contrary.

Not sure what American is any more.:o

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Government must not be above the law, even in a democracy.

They may believe themselves to be above the law of men, but there are still under the law of God, because they are also still under the law of sin and death.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

You can try to misrepresent a poll quite easily, as you tried to do.

I'll give that comment a big WHATEVER!

 

[Jake Brake]

More and more into the future, it will be necessary for the Body of Christ to separate those things that should be devoted to the Lord from the worldly system. At this point, laws in the US permit it, and more and more will demand it.

The issue of medical insurance for church organizations is an example. Catholics and some evangelicals bristle at having to purchase insurance from a company that also provides coverage for contraception and abortion. I personally think that falls within the realm of having qualms about eating food that may or may not have been offered to idols, but that is a case where the Body of Christ could separate itself from the worldly monetary system by using a health care trust fund rather than commercial insurance. Or better yet--run our own hospitals again, funded by the Body of Christ like St Jude.

I see good points here, that law applies to everyone. I don't know enough about the law and insurance coverage for their is two types of church involvement as I see it.One being the church and it's staff and members, two would be the church on government funding having employees working on government funded projects, where not only the insurance law is enforced but also all labor laws, to include sexual orientation, etc.

So, like I have always believed, the church needs to be completely separated from government. No tax exemptions, no faith-based government funding, etc. For when the government comes calling for repayment those who have been on the government teat have to pay up. And I do not understand why these people get all bent out of shape when the government tells them what to do, and usually, how to do it.

 

[seeingeyes]

Not sure what American is any more.:o

In terms of the power that the Supreme Court has, it's been the same since 1789. (So I'm guessing that that hasn't changed in your lifetime. )

Perhaps you have simply outgrown the school-days propaganda that we are all taught and carry with us into adulthood. I mean, the 'freedom' that this country was founded upon was the 'freedom' to elect the people who tax us. Not exactly heart-warming.

And the limitations that were imposed upon the Federal government were not really about making sure that citizens retained their 'rights', but more the resulting compromise necessary to keep the States united for purposes of war. How else could some of the most brilliant political thinkers of all time come up with black people counting as 3/5ths of a person? :/

The truth is that this country is an amazing political experiment that was founded on arguing and still argues on. The rest is cherry trees and fireworks.

God bless America.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

In terms of the power that the Supreme Court has, it's been the same since 1789. (So I'm guessing that that hasn't changed in your lifetime. )

Perhaps you have simply outgrown the school-days propaganda that we are all taught and carry with us into adulthood. I mean, the 'freedom' that this country was founded upon was the 'freedom' to elect the people who tax us. Not exactly heart-warming.

And the limitations that were imposed upon the Federal government were not really about making sure that citizens retained their 'rights', but more the resulting compromise necessary to keep the States united for purposes of war. How else could some of the most brilliant political thinkers of all time come up with black people counting as 3/5ths of a person? :/

The truth is that this country is an amazing political experiment that was founded on arguing and still argues on. The rest is cherry trees and fireworks.

God bless America.

Sorry, I don't believe God will bless those who turn their backs on Him and His Word. What is written on their American money, (which many are also trying to remove by the way) "In God we trust" Ha!

A nation that trusts in God will do His will, and stand up for His holy Word in every aspect of it's governance and in every aspect of society and moral values it instills in it's peoples.

Clearly in God Almighty this American Nation does not trust, and in doing so they will also suffer the same curses that befell the children of Israel for turning away from the only true God, and His Living Word.

 

[seeingeyes]

Sorry, I don't believe God will bless those who turn their backs on Him and His Word. What is written on their American money, (which many are also trying to remove by the way) "In God we trust" Ha!

A nation that trusts in God will do His will, and stand up for His holy Word in every aspect of it's governance and in every aspect of society and moral values it instills in it's peoples.

Clearly in God Almighty this American Nation does not trust, and in doing so they will also suffer the same curses that befell the children of Israel for turning away from the only true God, and His Living Word.

The fall of Israel was necessary so that the Gentiles could be ushered into the kingdom of God. I wonder who will be ushered in when the Gentiles fall.

 

[RDKirk]

How else could some of the most brilliant political thinkers of all time come up with black people counting as 3/5ths of a person? :/

I have to address that particular point, because it's the cause of a lot of misunderstanding. Let me delineate the issue and the opposing sides.

Issue: A state representation in the federal House depended on the population of the state. The greater the population, the more Representatives in the House.

Slave-holding states: The numbers of slaves in each slave-holding state was equal to or greater than the number of whites (and much greater than the number of voting white males). The slave-holding states wanted to count their non-voting slaves in the population numbers for House representation, just as they counted their non-voting white female population.

Anti-slave states: Opposed to counting slaves at all as part of the population for House representation because--unlike as they considered white women at least to be people--the south in every other way counted slaves as sub-human property.

The stakes: If slaves were not counted at all in the population, the anti-slave states would have overwhelming voting power in the House of Representatives. However, it's unlikely the southern states would have ever ratified the Constitution in that case.

The compromise came in two parts. The first part was a Constitutional agreement to count some of the slaves in the population. The second part was a complementary agreement to end slave importation into the United States 8 years after ratification of the Constitution.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

The fall of Israel was necessary so that the Gentiles could be ushered into the kingdom of God. I wonder who will be ushered in when the Gentiles fall.

Revelation 11:15
And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

 

[RDKirk]

Sorry, I don't believe God will bless those who turn their backs on Him and His Word. What is written on their American money, (which many are also trying to remove by the way) "In God we trust" Ha!

First: "In God We Trust" was only applied to US paper currency only since 1957? It began appearing on coins in 1864, to emphasize that God was on the side of the Union during the Civil War, but was opposed by many Christians (including later president Theodore Roosevelt) on the grounds that "God" should not be put onto filthy lucre.

Second: Have you actually studied a US dollar bill? What symbols are on it, and what to what nation does it really belong? If you study US currency closely, the fact is that it's the money of a Roman province, through and through.

For instance, no sovereign nation ever puts a foreign language on their currency. A sovereign nation only puts its own language--or a language of its history and heritage--on its money. So what languages do you see on US currency? You see Latin and English, and even English is Latin characters.

Symbols? The pyramid, which was the symbol of Egypt that was adopted by the Roman Empire and the eagle, also the symbol of the Roman Empire. You also see the "Eye of Horus" at the peak of the pyramid--and it can be nothing other than the "Eye of Horus" because of the clear and direct connection to the pyramid. No such thing occurs in Jewish or Christian tradition. But like the pyramid, the Roman Empire adopted Horus as a god when Egypt became part of the Empire.

So the real question: What "god" is really being represented on US currency when everything else points to paganism?

A nation that trusts in God will do His will, and stand up for His holy Word in every aspect of it's governance and in every aspect of society and moral values it instills in it's peoples.

Clearly in God Almighty this American Nation does not trust, and in doing so they will also suffer the same curses that befell the children of Israel for turning away from the only true God, and His Living Word.

Because it is merely part of the Roman Empire, the US is and has always been just one of the clay toes of the statue of Nebuchadnezzar.

 

[seeingeyes]

The compromise came in two parts. The first part was a Constitutional agreement to count some of the slaves in the population. The second part was a complementary agreement to end slave importation into the United States 8 years after ratification of the Constitution.

Yes, exactly. That particular issue was a result of compromise in the name of unity, not a Braveheart-worthy cry of "freedom!" Otherwise the Civil War would have started the day after the Revolutionary War ended.

My purpose for posting that was that there is a far, far larger discrepancy between the 'story' of the founding and our current state, than the 'reality' of our founding and our current state.

This country has real problems, to be sure, but it's counterproductive to try to go back to the 'good old days' which never actually happened. That's all.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Because it is merely part of the Roman Empire, the US is and has always been just one of the clay toes of the statue of Nebuchadnezzar.

Yea but the toes are also a part of the feet, which are also a part of the leg, which are a part of the body, which is connected to the head.

So in truth, as the scriptures also confirm, the 4th and final beast in Daniel would be a global beast and would also include all the 3 beasty natures that came before it. (leopard, bear, lion, combined = 4th terrible beast)

Revelation 13:2
And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

So though the feet with the toes would be last, it was still a part of that same corrupt body. The only part that was separate was the clay, which would not mingle in with the iron.

The clay represents the seed of Christ which would not conform and mingle itself in with the ways of a wicked world.

But really, all this stuff is getting off topic from the OP.