Doing your JOB

[Argent]

Refusing to fill prescriptions, or tell patients to get medical advice from other doctors, is an example of fundamentalists trying to force others to live by their beliefs.

Oh? How so?

 

[Argent]

Or, how about find a new career?

Sorry, I'm not going to be inconvenienced because of an extremist's moral beliefs.

And by the way, I'm a conservative, politically speaking.

I can't imagine finding another pharmacy with which you can do business is that inconvenient in the OC.

Mail order is also cheaper.

 

[MooCar93]

I can't imagine finding another pharmacy with which you can do business is that inconvenient in the OC.

Mail order is also cheaper

That's not the point. The point is, if I stopped doing my job because there was something in the basic job description that I didn't agree with, I'd be let go. These people should not be working in this profession if they're more concerned with politics than they are human health (and yes, many women take BC for purely health-related reasons).

 

[Asimov]

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Ok, but now you're stating that my moral principles are invalid. How would this be any different from someone refusing to fill out a birth control prescription and being criticized for it?

Unless Mr. Pharmacist can actually provide valid reasoning as to why he thinks it's wrong OTHER than "I believe it's wrong", then he has no support for his contentions and should lose his job.

He's a pharmacist, he's not providing poison to babies at a daycare, nor is he a doctor protecting patient rights (an unconceived ovum isn't a patient).

if you live in Canada you live in a beautiful country with many opportunities...

i've been there 3 times. nice place at least for a holiday.. heehee

Depends on where you go.

 

[Argent]

That's not the point. The point is, if I stopped doing my job because there was something in the basic job description that I didn't agree with, I'd be let go. These people should not be working in this profession if they're more concerned with politics than they are human health (and yes, many women take BC for purely health-related reasons).

But I think we both have to be honest here and admit that most women don't take BC for health reasons, but rather, to prevent pregnancy, hence, the name "Birth Control".

And, "inconvenienced" was stated as a reason for your position in your post.

Medical students can op-out of learning abortion procedures for moral reasons. Should they be forced to perform abortions as med students? Or during residency? Should a Baptist or Catholic hospital be forced to perform abortions (on this board we've already had the "emergency contraception refusal in the Christian hospital emergency room thread a few weeks ago). Or should a woman who wants and abortion go to a facility that has no qualms about performing them, and she should also go to a pharmacy that has no qualms about dispensing BC. It's really quite simple.

The real issue here is just the feminists/liberals demanding that everyone conform to their values within a certain profession. And this coming from the side that is always claiming some else is imposing their values on them.

 

[Asimov]

The real issue here is just the feminists/liberals demanding that everyone conform to their values within a certain profession. And this coming from the side that is always claiming some else is imposing their values on them.

No, it's not the real issue. Everyone tries to conform their values on other people. It's happening with the pharmacists refusing to fill out BC, it's happening with us telling him he's a weirdo and should do it.

Should we force Muslims to wear motorcycle helmets?
Should we force Muslim women who wear a veil to remove it for Passport purposes?
Should we force people who spank their children to not spank their children?

Stop trying to dichotomize this issue since there are people of all walks of life who have different ideas about it.

 

[MooCar93]

But I think we both have to be honest here and admit that most women don't take BC for health reasons, but rather, to prevent pregnancy, hence, the name "Birth Control".

And, "inconvenienced" was stated as a reason for your position in your post.

Medical students can op-out of learning abortion procedures for moral reasons. Should they be forced to perform abortions as med students? Or during residency? Should a Baptist or Catholic hospital be forced to perform abortions (on this board we've already had the "emergency contraception refusal in the Christian hospital emergency room thread a few weeks ago). Or should a woman who wants and abortion go to a facility that has no qualms about performing them, and she should also go to a pharmacy that has no qualms about dispensing BC. It's really quite simple.

The real issue here is just the feminists/liberals demanding that everyone conform to their values within a certain profession. And this coming from the side that is always claiming some else is imposing their values on them

Because allowing a woman to prevent herself from becoming pregnant is exactly like aborting babies, right?

Just an FYI - not all of us want 16 kids by the time we're 40.

And btw - did I mention I'm registered Republican?

 

[Silent Bob]

I can't imagine finding another pharmacy with which you can do business is that inconvenient in the OC.

Mail order is also cheaper.

Except the morning after pill which is the largest reason behind this argument is more effective the faster you take it. So a two hour drive can make the difference between normal menstruation and abortion.

I wonder, all of those who think that pharmacists should be allowed to do as their morals command them: how do you feel about a Rastafarian pharmacist who decides to sell "herbal glaucoma cures" to anyone who asks?

 

[MooCar93]

Except the morning after pill which is the largest reason behind this argument is more effective the faster you take it. So a two hour drive can make the difference between normal menstruation and abortion.

I wonder, all of those who think that pharmacists should be allowed to do as their morals command them: how do you feel about a Rastafarian pharmacist who decides to sell "herbal glaucoma cures" to anyone who asks?

Or a Scientologist refusing all prescription drugs to patients?

 

[WalkingforHim]

I wonder, all of those who think that pharmacists should be allowed to do as their morals command them: how do you feel about a Rastafarian pharmacist who decides to sell "herbal glaucoma cures" to anyone who asks?

I'm not sure how, but I would get glaucoma.

 

[Asimov]

Or a Scientologist refusing all prescription drugs to patients?

Exactly!

 

[Argent]

Because allowing a woman to prevent herself from becoming pregnant is exactly like aborting babies, right?

I never said that.

Just an FYI - not all of us want 16 kids by the time we're 40

No one said you had to.

And btw - did I mention I'm registered Republican?

And this is germain to the conversation how?

 

[MooCar93]

I never said that

But you implied it by immediately going off about med students being forced to perform abortions, etc.

No one said you had to.

Well, seeing as how I don't plan to be abstinent when I get married, and seeing as how Natural Family Planning isn't statistically all that enormously effective, how do you propose people control how many children they have?

And this is germain to the conversation how?

Because you keep insisting that requiring pharmacists to do their jobs by giving women BC when they have a prescription is "liberals" forcing their immorality on conservatives. I am not exactly a liberal here.

 

[Steezie]

I can't imagine finding another pharmacy with which you can do business is that inconvenient in the OC.

Finding annother pharmacy is not always a viable option. I would have to go clear across town (A good 20 miles) to find annother pharmacy other than the one nearest me.

Mail order is also cheaper.

And illegal in some states. Plus you could be putting yourself in real danger if you dont order from reputable sources

But I think we both have to be honest here and admit that most women don't take BC for health reasons, but rather, to prevent pregnancy, hence, the name "Birth Control".

More women take birth control for health reasons than you'd think.

The real issue here is just the feminists/liberals demanding that everyone conform to their values within a certain profession. And this coming from the side that is always claiming some else is imposing their values on them.

Wait wait what? Because I want someone to do the job they are hired to do Im a feminist and a liberal?

Why cant they just do thier job? If they really dont like what they have to do then they can find employment opportunities elsewhere.


You rip on people for not wanting to go to annother pharmacy becuase it's inconvienent, well why arent you ripping on pharmacists and doctors for not changing jobs when they are asked to do something they dont agree with? Why should the PATIENT suffer?

You have an unfortunate habit of reading "implications" into statements that are not there, but for whatever reason you want to see.

And you didnt answer her question, how do you propose that she avoid getting pregnant through her marraige after she has as many kids as she wants?

 

[Texas Lynn]

I'm not sure why anyone would take a job that they would occasionally have a moral problem in executing. If I have a moral problem with filling certain prescriptions, I shouldn't be working as a pharmacist. If I had a moral problem with eating meat, I shouldn't be involved in industries where I might have to kill animals for food.

If you can't do your job, you shouldn't have it.

While you make a good point, I'd clarify that ALL jobs have moral/ethical issues to them.

To use my own example as a child welfare investigator I've had to accept my superiors' authority when it comes to removing children from homes. I've not been able to remove some which I thought I should have, and had to remove others that I thought I should not have, because of the authoritarian nature of our agencies. However, I accepted that as part of the lanscape. Fortunately the issues have never been where my leaders and I were not able to reach accords. If it got to where there were blatant abuses, whistleblowing, formal grievences, lawsuits, resignation and writing a tell-all would be options. Once a manger, not the one with direct authority over me, wanted me to remove a child and I expressed strong disagreement and stated good reasons not to (it was a neglectful supervision of a 2 y/o child of single father who was drunk; they lived with another family and the parents in that family would help him and he'd agrred to go to treatment for alcohol abuse)--she said okay but later I found out she complained to my manager that in her view I was insubordinate. He listened to the taped phone conversation and never said one word about it to me.

However, if I believed under no circumstances the government should remove children from their homes to protect them, then I would have been unethical to have accepted my position. So it is with these radical pharmacists. They should have considered multilevel marketing instead.

 

[J20]

Personally I think we do have the right to make a moral objection to doing our jobs if we are asked to doing something which is morally objectionable. However, I think it is something which they should inform there employer and have the courage of their convictions to move on from their post if it is not acceptable to their employer.

 

[MooCar93]

They should have considered multilevel marketing instead.

Oh noes! Not Amway!

 

[RealityCheck]

Personally I think we do have the right to make a moral objection to doing our jobs if we are asked to doing something which is morally objectionable. However, I think it is something which they should inform there employer and have the courage of their convictions to move on from their post if it is not acceptable to their employer.

Very much true.

 

[Angel4Truth]

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[ChristianCenturion]

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