DOGE cuts to the NOAA risks lives

[Say it aint so]

Imagine tuning in to hear the 5-day forecast and instead having to listen to this guy's politicized rant.

Apparently for reasons noted the ability to provide a forecast is in peril.

 

[BNR32FAN]

So you don't care if Florida or Texas residents get accurate information re hurricanes?
Got it.

Wow so you are actually implying that a hurricane could actually sneak up on the coast without being noticed. That’s hilarious!! You can see them from space. They’re literally over 100 miles in diameter, sometimes up to 300 or more miles.

 

[Say it aint so]

Wow so you are actually implying that a hurricane could actually sneak up on the coast without being noticed. That’s hilarious!! You can see them from space. Lol

That would be known, but force and direction important else one is reduced to idiocy like this:

 

[BNR32FAN]

That would be known, but force and direction important else one is reduced to idiocy like this:
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Force and direction can be determined by the instruments on offshore rigs. I don’t know about the east coast and west coast but oil rigs are scattered through the Gulf of Mexico just a few miles apart. One hurricane would be covering at least 10-20 oil rigs which would show its location, wind speed, barometric pressure, air and water temperatures, swell sizes and probably a lot more information than that.

 

[BCP1928]

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I do believe this went beyond just informing his audience that he will not have as much at his disposal as has been in the past. Kind of like a little cry baby and who is to say the weather service is not over staffed to began with. So, many people in the work force are asked to do more with less.

Which is also a dumb idea.

 

[Say it aint so]

Force and direction can be determined by the instruments on offshore rigs. I don’t know about the east coast and west coast but oil rigs are scattered through the Gulf of Mexico just a few miles apart. One hurricane would be covering at least 10-20 oil rigs which would show its location, wind speed, barometric pressure, air and water temperatures, swell sizes and probably a lot more information than that.

I think offshore rigs depend on the same orgs for hurricane patterns and force as everyone else. Real time detection which you seem to be referring to is far different than the predictions of NOAA

 

[DaisyDay]

I am not sure if you are aware, the country has over 36 trillion in debt. Most of which comes from entitlements like Medicare and Social Security. We whether we like it or not, we are at a crossroads. To get this debt under control, EVERYTHING needs to have cuts! Not just to NOAA, but to entitlements, the military, foreign aid, and the list goes on. For the record, I hope Trump's "Big Beautiful Bill" fails to pass because it adds to the deficit. The bill should have been nothing but cuts with no extra spending. This isn't about killing science, it is about ensuring that there will still be a United States in the next couple decades.

Many birds, one big, beautiful boulder.

 

[bèlla]

This reminds me of a movie.

 

[FreeinChrist]

Wow so you are actually implying that a hurricane could actually sneak up on the coast without being noticed. That’s hilarious!! You can see them from space. They’re literally over 100 miles in diameter, sometimes up to 300 or more miles.

No kidding.

It will affect the ability to know how fast the winds are, when the hurricane will turn, when they hit.

check this:

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apnews.com

Experts are alarmed over the large-scale staff reductions, travel and training restrictions and grant cut-offs since President Donald Trump took office at both the Federal Emergency Management Agency, which prepares for and responds to hurricanes, and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, which tracks and forecasts them.​

 

[Lukaris]

God forbid that NOAA may actually be on track with the 2025 hurricane season;

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www.noaa.gov

 

[wing2000]

God forbid that NOAA may actually be on track with the 2025 hurricane season;

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www.noaa.gov

...Phoenix received rainfall on June 1st...thanks to the remenants from the season's first tropical storm Baja, MX).

We hope the eastern pacific hurricane season is very active...as we really need the rain in the Southwest.

 

[BNR32FAN]

I think offshore rigs depend on the same orgs for hurricane patterns and force as everyone else. Real time detection which you seem to be referring to is far different than the predictions of NOAA

All oil rigs have weather sensors on them.

 

[BNR32FAN]

No kidding.

It will affect the ability to know how fast the winds are, when the hurricane will turn, when they hit.

check this:

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apnews.com

Experts are alarmed over the large-scale staff reductions, travel and training restrictions and grant cut-offs since President Donald Trump took office at both the Federal Emergency Management Agency, which prepares for and responds to hurricanes, and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, which tracks and forecasts them.​

It won’t affect them knowing the wind speeds when the wind speeds are being transmitted from the weather sensors on oil rigs. And you’re getting your information from the people whose funding is being cut. Of course they’re going to say they need more funding because without more funding they can’t make more money. It’s a lot harder to get a raise when funding is being cut.

 

[Hans Blaster]

All oil rigs have weather sensors on them.

That doesn't mean they provide sufficient information to initialize the weather models, nor do they provide the personnel to operate the forecast center.

 

[loveofourlord]

That doesn't mean they provide sufficient information to initialize the weather models, nor do they provide the personnel to operate the forecast center.

not to mention, oil rigs only go out so far, that give you at most a day to react let alone days like normal, if a hurricane is close enough to be detected by an oil rig thats not really going to give much time.

 

[Hans Blaster]

not to mention, oil rigs only go out so far, that give you at most a day to react let alone days like normal, if a hurricane is close enough to be detected by an oil rig thats not really going to give much time.

I don't know how I forgot to mention that there aren't oil rigs on the Atlantic coast or providing data in the Caribbean.

 

[loveofourlord]

I don't know how I forgot to mention that there aren't oil rigs on the Atlantic coast or providing data in the Caribbean.

plus as we saw with the big one last year, they are unpredictable, we saw how quickly it moved, changed catagory, heck we've seen so many, "It will hit miami." then ends up hitting miles further up and less damaging or more so. But if you have a longer project you have a better idea of where it will hit.

 

[Hans Blaster]

plus as we saw with the big one last year, they are unpredictable, we saw how quickly it moved, changed catagory, heck we've seen so many, "It will hit miami." then ends up hitting miles further up and less damaging or more so. But if you have a longer project you have a better idea of where it will hit.

I've never seen a group more intently focused on data integration regarding the start of their models than the weather and climate modelers. From what I've seen from the outside, I would gather that about half of their development efforts are improving how models are started and observed data is integrated into them.

A bunch of basic weather station measurements (temperature, pressure, wind) within 100 m of the surface in the Gulf of Mexico isn't going to provide the needed information to model a hurricane even in the Gulf. Some of that data requires actual effort by actual humans to measure (releasing radiosondes, measuring the temperature profile of the water, flying into a storm, etc.)

The actual experts know what information is needed to model accurately and they know the personnel required to collect it. Some politically motivated "oh, but you have this" doesn't cut the mustard.

 

[loveofourlord]

I've never seen a group more intently focused on data integration regarding the start of their models than the weather and climate modelers. From what I've seen from the outside, I would gather that about half of their development efforts are improving how models are started and observed data is integrated into them.

A bunch of basic weather station measurements (temperature, pressure, wind) within 100 m of the surface in the Gulf of Mexico isn't going to provide the needed information to model a hurricane even in the Gulf. Some of that data requires actual effort by actual humans to measure (releasing radiosondes, measuring the temperature profile of the water, flying into a storm, etc.)

The actual experts know what information is needed to model accurately and they know the personnel required to collect it. Some politically motivated "oh, but you have this" doesn't cut the mustard.

kinda like tornado alerts, being based upon people looking out their windows and reporting. Sure they can detect, maybe with enough warning, but isn't the same thing as, "The pressure is dropping 80% chance of tornados in next few hours."

 

[Hans Blaster]

kinda like tornado alerts, being based upon people looking out their windows and reporting. Sure they can detect, maybe with enough warning, but isn't the same thing as, "The pressure is dropping 80% chance of tornados in next few hours."

With tornadoes, it is about first identifying conditions that could generate tornadic storms and then watching every storm cell or line that forms like a hawk to ID the most dangerous conditions in small spaces within those storms. (tight rotation, ice build up aloft) That requires real humans to examine the data in real time. About a month ago a deadly tornado outbreak in eastern Kentucky required the NWS to shuffle personnel to ensure that enough people would be on duty when the storms hit. (The basic timing of the storm system was known at least 12 hours out as well as the potential for danger.)