Does Water Baptism Save You? Is it Required?

[jmacvols]

Exactly!

If baptism saves as the member says, then the sacrifice by Jesus on the cross was not sufficent to save anybody!

We are also told:

"Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved." -Acts 4:12 (KJV)

If our salvation is dependant on the act of baptism done by somebody esle to us, that is sacerdotal.

B. H. Carroll says:


The Theory of Baptisimal Regeneration, by B. H. Carroll

My salvation is not dependant on Christ, no, according to some in this thread, my salvation is dependant on Christ plus baptism.

According to some in this thread, the life, death, burial, resurrection, and assention of Christ is not enough to save a person.

It takes baptism also.

What was it Dr. Evil said?

God Bless

Till all are one.

I have heard many people say, or see bumper stickers that say "Christ saves".
It is true that Christ saves, but what is not said is how Christ saves. Baptism is the means God chose to use to save men.

The salvation of person being baptized is not dependant upon any 'priestly' qualifications or words spoken by the administrator. What is necessary is that the person being baptized understands the reason/purpose for his being baptized.

 

[bling]

Baptism is something we get to do and has tons of benefits, so why not do it?

"Baptism" itself does not save since there is no magic in the water, it is "into Christ" that saves. The trusting in a Loving forgiving Creator to the point of humbly accepting His charity in the form of forgiveness.

 

[jmacvols]

Baptism is something we get to do and has tons of benefits, so why not do it?

"Baptism" itself does not save since there is no magic in the water, it is "into Christ" that saves. The trusting in a Loving forgiving Creator to the point of humbly accepting His charity in the form of forgiveness.

I agree, the water does not do anything, it is the act of obedience in submitting to baptism that God cuts away the body of sin, Col 2:12f. Just as the water did not cleanse Naaman, but it was his obedience in doing what the prophet told him to do that God cleansed his leprosy.

Another example is the blind man. Jesus spat in clay and made a potion that He applied to the blind man's eyes, then Jesus told him to go and wash in the pool. The water did not bring his sight back, but his obedience to Jesus by going and washing his eyes is why he gained his sight. If the blind man had been a Calvinist, he would have thought within himself 'if I go and wash my eyes that is a work, and I do not believe in works based healings so I will "believe only" that I will receive my sight and not do those things the Lord told me to do'....his disobedience would have left him blind. Calvinism would somehow already have this man have his sight before he did what Jesus told him to do, a total reversal of what takes place.

 

[heymikey80]

I have heard many people say, or see bumper stickers that say "Christ saves".
It is true that Christ saves, but what is not said is how Christ saves. Baptism is the means God chose to use to save men.

Nah. Romans 10 describes a dry salvation by faith & confession.

The fact is that 1 Peter 3:21 alludes to baptism -- and not the water rite itself, in fact, but something else, the answer of a good conscience to God. It's not baptism that brings salvation. It's something particular about a baptism. If that's done outside of baptism, then it saves, too.

Otherwise you're contradicting Paul at Romans 10.

The salvation of person being baptized is not dependant upon any 'priestly' qualifications or words spoken by the administrator. What is necessary is that the person being baptized understands the reason/purpose for his being baptized.

What's needed is what's stated as needed. An answer in good conscience. Not some understanding of the purpose of baptism; not some understanding of a reason.