Does violence help protests?

[URA]

"Blessed are the peacemakers..." --Matthew 5​

It's a worthy question, considering the violent riots that have happened recently in the US, and the political uprisings elsewhere in the world. But does violence help the cause? Whether it's for racial justice, political re-organization, or anything that may stir up the masses, this researcher looked into all the broad attempts at change since 1900, and was surprised by the findings:

Why nonviolent resistance beats violent force in effecting social, political change

This article more specifically looks at the US & the Civil Rights movement, that of the 1960s, and the current riots from the George Floyd incident. This looks very in-depth on the specific areas & political decisions of the time, and I was very impressed with the detail put into finding out whether the violence of the protests actually helped:

How Violent Protests Change Politics

Please read these & share your thoughts; it's an important topic, so reading some in-depth research would be a very good thing for us to do.

May God guide our countries in the direction they need to go.

 

[Aussie Pete]

"Blessed are the peacemakers..." --Matthew 5​

It's a worthy question, considering the violent riots that have happened recently in the US, and the political uprisings elsewhere in the world. But does violence help the cause? Whether it's for racial justice, political re-organization, or anything that may stir up the masses, this researcher looked into all the broad attempts at change since 1900, and was surprised by the findings:

Why nonviolent resistance beats violent force in effecting social, political change

This article more specifically looks at the US & the Civil Rights movement, that of the 1960s, and the current riots from the George Floyd incident. This looks very in-depth on the specific areas & political decisions of the time, and I was very impressed with the detail put into finding out whether the violence of the protests actually helped:

How Violent Protests Change Politics

Please read these & share your thoughts; it's an important topic, so reading some in-depth research would be a very good thing for us to do.

May God guide our countries in the direction they need to go.

The history of violence producing real change for the better is chequered to say the least. Sudan, Lebanon, Egypt, Libya, Iraq, Syria, to name just a few nations, have come out badly. North America rebelled against the British. Not that much later America plunged into a bitter (un)civil war.

Violence is the resort of the ungodly. Rebellion is never a good thing. Christians should only disobey the authorities when it's clear that it is God's will. That is rare in so-called Christian nations.

 

[Sparagmos]

"Blessed are the peacemakers..." --Matthew 5​

It's a worthy question, considering the violent riots that have happened recently in the US, and the political uprisings elsewhere in the world. But does violence help the cause? Whether it's for racial justice, political re-organization, or anything that may stir up the masses, this researcher looked into all the broad attempts at change since 1900, and was surprised by the findings:

Why nonviolent resistance beats violent force in effecting social, political change

This article more specifically looks at the US & the Civil Rights movement, that of the 1960s, and the current riots from the George Floyd incident. This looks very in-depth on the specific areas & political decisions of the time, and I was very impressed with the detail put into finding out whether the violence of the protests actually helped:

How Violent Protests Change Politics

Please read these & share your thoughts; it's an important topic, so reading some in-depth research would be a very good thing for us to do.

May God guide our countries in the direction they need to go.

Great articles, thanks for sharing!

 

[Ana the Ist]

"Blessed are the peacemakers..." --Matthew 5​

It's a worthy question, considering the violent riots that have happened recently in the US, and the political uprisings elsewhere in the world. But does violence help the cause? Whether it's for racial justice, political re-organization, or anything that may stir up the masses, this researcher looked into all the broad attempts at change since 1900, and was surprised by the findings:

Why nonviolent resistance beats violent force in effecting social, political change

This article more specifically looks at the US & the Civil Rights movement, that of the 1960s, and the current riots from the George Floyd incident. This looks very in-depth on the specific areas & political decisions of the time, and I was very impressed with the detail put into finding out whether the violence of the protests actually helped:

How Violent Protests Change Politics

Please read these & share your thoughts; it's an important topic, so reading some in-depth research would be a very good thing for us to do.

May God guide our countries in the direction they need to go.

I'd say no....at least not in our current situation.

There's no real leadership to the protests....so it's a diffused generalized violence. It's racist and pretty ugly.

I know it's fun to imagine that it's like the American revolution and there's going to be some great change coming that's for everyone's benefit....but that violence had clear direction and strong leadership. When violence is generalized....it invites dictatorship....or worse.

 

[com7fy8]

Practically, I think it depends on who is doing the violent approach, or the nonviolent approach.

But in general I suspect someone who depends on violence can have inferior creative ability and inferior communicative ability and can be unable to feel for other people. But Jesus Himself came here so He could go through things we go through, so now Jesus as our High Priest can feel for us > Hebrews 4:15.

But a nonviolent person also might not be about love, but can be seeking for people to be able to do their own thing. But Jesus warns > "He who loves his life will lose it," in John 12:25.

In the United States, maybe we can see how independence has come at great cost to lives of ones defending it, plus in times of peace we see how ones independent can do their own thing but this produces a fifty-percent divorce rate and all the ruined children doing all the self-destructive and self-inbred things they do. So, they might not be dying in war, but they can be in a living death of not having love which keeps marriage improving and children growing stronger and more deeply sound during nicer or harder times. Independent rights can be a way of isolating people under each one's own dictatorship!!

Violence can be surgical, to remove what is destructive and incapable of reasoning, such as the Nazi Regime; but then you need creative activity.

But we see how impotent certain politicians can be while not doing any physically violent actions. They can be verbally violent against others, and this while deeply they are incapable of relating in love. Ones can be vocally violent, by attacking other candidates, but without giving what can be good, and without being at least as thorough to make sure people are wise to how they themselves can be wrong and deceptive.

Ones violate how God says to relate in His love >

"submitting to one another in the fear of God." (Ephesians 5:21)

"nor as being lords over those entrusted to you, but being examples to the flock." (1 Peter 5:3)

 

[yougottabekidding]

If you feel that the only way to change someones mind is to beat the stuffing out of them, threaten them, burn down their businesses, use threats and intimidation. You are thinking wrong.

That is fascist and will not last, because good people will always rise to end it.

Do you know what you call someone who tries anything like that with me or my family? An Ambulance, because I will not sit by silently. And I am not alone by any means.

You reap what you sow - yeah, I read that somewhere.

Peace produces peace and violence produces violence.

 

[public hermit]

It depends on the context, I think. The non-violent protests of MLK and Gandhi worked in contexts where certain principles were hypocritically held up, but were nonetheless held in high regard by the oppressor. In those situations, non-violence accentuates and puts into contrast the moral failings of the ones in power. That contrast has potential for garnering the support of the masses, which is what you want and is what makes for change, so long as those masses feel obligated to the moral principles in question.

Non-violent protests would have never worked in Nazi Germany, I don't think. The ones in power had no shame and no regard for moral principles. To put it roughly, sometimes you just have to punch somebody in the mouth.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Non-violent protests would have never worked in Nazi Germany, I don't think. The ones in power had no shame and no regard for moral principles. To put it roughly, sometimes you just have to punch somebody in the mouth.

Nazi Germany was created out of violent protests.

 

[inhiminen]

I'd say no....at least not in our current situation.

There's no real leadership to the protests....so it's a diffused generalized violence. It's racist and pretty ugly.

I know it's fun to imagine that it's like the American revolution and there's going to be some great change coming that's for everyone's benefit....but that violence had clear direction and strong leadership. When violence is generalized....it invites dictatorship....or worse.

Yes, I agree. Those Trumpeteers coming out of state and for example firing paintball pellets towards those protesting against excesses in police conduct their motives are mostly racist and they are ugly.

 

[yougottabekidding]

Non-violent protests would have never worked in Nazi Germany, I don't think. The ones in power had no shame and no regard for moral principles. To put it roughly, sometimes you just have to punch somebody in the mouth.

And sometimes, that person responds by knocking out all your teeth.

 

[inhiminen]

If you feel that the only way to change someones mind is to beat the stuffing out of them, threaten them, burn down their businesses, use threats and intimidation. You are thinking wrong.

That is fascist and will not last, because good people will always rise to end it.

Do you know what you call someone who tries anything like that with me or my family? An Ambulance, because I will not sit by silently. And I am not alone by any means.

You reap what you sow - yeah, I read that somewhere.

Peace produces peace and violence produces violence.

You gotta be kidding with this tirade. Are you for peace or violence?

 

[yougottabekidding]

You gotta be kidding with this tirade. Are you for peace or violence?

If I am approached with peace, my response will be peaceful.
If I am approached with violence, my response will be violent.

I hope, pray and prefer peace, but I will not be intimidated and I will not allow someone to do violence towards myself, my family or friends.

 

[public hermit]

And sometimes, that person responds by knocking out all your teeth.

I don't think the current situation in the US is one where violence is needed. I'm not comparing our situation to that of the Nazis. I think the changes that are needed can be brought about by peaceful protests. I think peaceful protests would be much more effective right now. At this point, violence in protests only garners sympathy for the power being protested. That's what I took from the OP's article. Is that how you read it?

 

[yougottabekidding]

I don't think the current situation in the US is one where violence is needed. I'm not comparing our situation to that of the Nazis. I think the changes that are needed can be brought about by peaceful protests. I think peaceful protests would be much more effective right now. At this point, violence in protests only garners sympathy for the power being protested. That's what I took from the OP's article. Is that how you read it?

On this we agree. Violence has no place. Those who participate should be held accountable for established law.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Yes, I agree. Those Trumpeteers coming out of state and for example firing paintball pellets towards those protesting against excesses in police conduct their motives are mostly racist and they are ugly.

Left wing protests have caused hundreds of millions of damage, killed people, and ruined countless lives...and they're openly racist.

"Trumpeteers" fired paintballs.

 

[Sparagmos]

If you feel that the only way to change someones mind is to beat the stuffing out of them, threaten them, burn down their businesses, use threats and intimidation. You are thinking wrong.

That is fascist and will not last, because good people will always rise to end it.

Do you know what you call someone who tries anything like that with me or my family? An Ambulance, because I will not sit by silently. And I am not alone by any means.

You reap what you sow - yeah, I read that somewhere.

Peace produces peace and violence produces violence.

But what about to free yourself from oppression?

Good people “rise to end fascism” through war and violence. We can all claim to hate violence as a means of change, but almost all of it endorse it historically. I’m really glad our country used violence against the Nazis and to end slavery.

 

[Ana the Ist]

But what about to free yourself from oppression?

Violent oppression? Sure. Regular old "life is difficult oppression"? Not so much.

People can vote....people can run for office. There's literally nothing stopping them from changing things without violence.

 

[Pommer]

Violent oppression? Sure. Regular old "life is difficult oppression"? Not so much.

People can vote....people can run for office. There's literally nothing stopping them from changing things without violence.

There it is, the whole of your philosophy:
“Things are just fine from where I sit.”

Good for you.

 

[Ana the Ist]

There it is, the whole of your philosophy:
“Things are just fine from where I sit.”

Good for you.

I don't think things are just fine. I think there's a lot of problems in the US.

 

[Sanoy]

A daily poll shows that the violence has caused BLM to lose support and turn undecided people into opposing it because of the violence. It amazes me that BLM can be the cause of so many black lives harmed through murder and ruin, that they can cause Billions of dollars in destruction, leaving Black people with out jobs, and Black owners having to close down because insurance can't pay enough and still have so many supporters.

Civiqs Poll.

The Minnesota riots were the second largest in history for domestic damage, estimates costing 500 million dollars (1). It's unbelievable to see so many support it, but given the poll shows a political divide it's not so unbelievable. The media is BAD at their job, and we are BAD at realizing it.