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Does this mean believers never sin?

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Does 1 John 3:9 mean believers never sin?
1 John 3:9 King James Version (KJV)
9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
No, John is telling us that if we are still sinning, then we are not yet born of God.
 
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That verse means those that are clothed with the righteousness of Christ are seen no longer as sinners but are now seen as children of God. When God looks at a child, He doesn't see the sin, He sees the Son and His sacrifice that He made on the Cross. For it is grace that you are saved by faith, This not of yourselves, It is a gift.
 
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That verse means those that are clothed with the righteousness of Christ are seen no longer as sinners but are now seen as children of God. When God looks at a child, He doesn't see the sin, He sees the Son and His sacrifice that He made on the Cross. For it is grace that you are saved by faith, This not of yourselves, It is a gift.
Although this does sound amazing, can you back up these claims with scripture?
 
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In order to answer this question, we first need to distinguish between punishment and discipline. For believers in Jesus, all our sin—past, present, and future—has already been punished on the cross. As Christians, we will never be punished for sin. That was done once for all. “There is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus” (Romans 8:1). Because of the sacrifice of Christ, God sees only the righteousness of Christ when He looks at us. Our sin has been nailed to the cross with Jesus, and we will never be punished for it.

The sin that remains in our lives, however, does sometimes require God’s discipline. If we continue to act in sinful ways and we do not repent and turn from that sin, God brings His divine discipline to bear upon us. If He did not, He would not be a loving and concerned Father. Just as we discipline our own children for their welfare, so does our heavenly Father lovingly correct His children for their benefit. Hebrews 12:7-11 tells us, "As you endure this divine discipline, remember that God is treating you as his own children. Whoever heard of a child who was never disciplined? If God doesn't discipline you as he does all of his children, it means that you are illegitimate and are not really his children after all. Since we respect our earthly fathers who disciplined us, should we not all the more cheerfully submit to the discipline of our heavenly Father and live forever? For our earthly fathers disciplined us for a few years, doing the best they knew how. But God's discipline is always right and good for us because it means we will share in his holiness. No discipline is enjoyable while it is happening—it is painful! But afterward there will be a quiet harvest of right living for those who are trained in this way.”

Discipline, then, is how God lovingly turns His children from rebellion to obedience. Through discipline our eyes are opened more clearly to God's perspective on our lives. As King David stated in Psalm 32, discipline causes us to confess and repent of sin we have not yet dealt with. In this way discipline is cleansing. It is also a growth catalyst. The more we know about God, the more we know about His desires for our lives. Discipline presents us with the opportunity to learn and to conform ourselves to the image of Christ (Romans 12:1-2). Discipline is a good thing!

We need to remember that sin is a constant in our lives while we are yet on this earth (Romans 3:10, 23). Therefore, we not only have to deal with God's discipline for our disobedience, but we also have to deal with the natural consequences resulting from sin. If a believer steals something, God will forgive him and cleanse him from the sin of theft, restoring fellowship between Himself and the repentant thief. However, the societal consequences of theft can be severe, resulting in fines or even incarceration. These are natural consequences of sin and must be endured. But God works even through those consequences to increase our faith and glorify Himself.
 
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Eph 2:8-9
Yeah your saved not according to righteous deeds but by grace... Before Christ we were all as an unclean thing his grace allows us to have a chance at heaven.
 
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Does 1 John 3:9 mean believers never sin?
1 John 3:9 King James Version (KJV)
9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
It means that those born of God don't characteristically sin. That is they don't live a lifestyle of sin. The theme of 1John is how to identify those born of God and distinguish them from children of the devil. Note the verse that follows that one. "This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not a child of God; nor is anyone who does not love his brother." 1John 3:10

The English translation may be unclear because John is using a nuance of the Greek grammar. Namely contrasting the present tense, which in Greek has a strong sense of continuity lifestyle, versus the aorist tense which speaks of snapshot events. 1John 3:9 uses the present tense, which speaks of lifestyle. For a comprehensive study of how John utilizes the present and aorist see my Sunday School Lessons on 1John and their theological implications.
 
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Does 1 John 3:9 mean believers never sin?
1 John 3:9 King James Version (KJV)
9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
Hello Jakey.

Everyone sins and anyone who denies their sin is a liar. Believers cannot sin as Christ arrived in order to remove sin itself from them.

1 John 3:5
You know that He appeared in order to take away sins; and in Him there is no sin.

In Jesus you are not a sinner any more even though you still sin, you are forgiven, you are reconciled through Christ. The text means what it says.
 
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Hello Jakey.

Everyone sins and anyone who denies their sin is a liar. Believers cannot sin as Christ arrived in order to remove sin itself from them.

1 John 3:5
You know that He appeared in order to take away sins; and in Him there is no sin.

In Jesus you are not a sinner any more even though you still sin, you are forgiven, you are reconciled through Christ. The text means what it says.
I see what your saying
 
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Does 1 John 3:9 mean believers never sin?
1 John 3:9 King James Version (KJV)
9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

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Do you believe the verse is true?
Do you find the verse to be unbelievable?
Is the word Habitual ever mentioned in the verse?
The verse is making a statement directly about someone Born of God.
Does the verse allude to how God views someone Born of God?

So we see, there are any number of ways in which this verse can be understood, why can this verse not be taken at face value, is it because it goes against what we personally believe to be true, according to our Doctrines.

I would ask you, if a Believer is Dead to the Law, Dead to the Flesh, and Dead to Sin then how does that Believer Sin?

Dead to the Law
Rom. 7:4
Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

Gal. 2:19
For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.

Dead to the Flesh
Rom. 6:6
Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

Eph. 4:22
That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;

Dead to sin
Rom. 6:2
God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

Rom. 6:11
Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.

This is spoken about Jesus and what He accomplished in the Flesh.

Rom. 8:3,4
3) For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4) That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Now in relation to your verse, and the verse above is also speaking about the Holy Spirit in the Believer.

1 John 3:9
Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin;
for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

Gal. 5:16
This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

We do not make a conscious decision to walk in the Spirit, it's what we do naturally as Believers in Christ.

Rom. 6:4

Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

Therefore the answer to your question is Yes.
 
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Do you believe the verse is true?
Do you find the verse to be unbelievable?
Is the word Habitual ever mentioned in the verse?
The verse is making a statement directly about someone Born of God.
Does the verse allude to how God views someone Born of God?

So we see, there are any number of ways in which this verse can be understood, why can this verse not be taken at face value, is it because it goes against what we personally believe to be true, according to our Doctrines.

I would ask you, if a Believer is Dead to the Law, Dead to the Flesh, and Dead to Sin then how does that Believer Sin?

Dead to the Law
Rom. 7:4
Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

Gal. 2:19
For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.

Dead to the Flesh
Rom. 6:6
Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

Eph. 4:22
That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;

Dead to sin
Rom. 6:2
God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

Rom. 6:11
Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.

This is spoken about Jesus and what He accomplished in the Flesh.

Rom. 8:3,4
3) For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4) That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Now in relation to your verse, and the verse above is also speaking about the Holy Spirit in the Believer.

1 John 3:9
Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin;
for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

Gal. 5:16
This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

We do not make a conscious decision to walk in the Spirit, it's what we do naturally as Believers in Christ.

Rom. 6:4

Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

Therefore the answer to your question is Yes.
(For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law. Romans 5:13
Romans 10:4
 
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Is the word Habitual ever mentioned in the verse?
The "Habitual" aspect is in the tense, which is why NIV translates this "continues to sin". For more on the significance of the Greek Present and Aorist tenses in 1John, see the following study guides on 1John.
 
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