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Does This Change Your Philosophy?

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9. All wicked men's pains and contrivance which they use to escape hell, while they continue to reject Christ, and so remain wicked men, do not secure them from hell one moment. Almost every natural man that hears of hell, flatters himself that he shall escape it; he depends upon himself for his own security; he flatters himself in what he has done, in what he is now doing, or what he intends to do. Every one lays out matters in his own mind how he shall avoid damnation, and flatters himself that he contrives well for himself, and that his schemes will not fail. They hear indeed that there are but few saved, and that the greater part of men that have died heretofore are gone to hell; but each one imagines that he lays out matters better for his own escape than others have done. He does not intend to come to that place of torment; he says within himself, that he intends to take effectual care, and to order matters so for himself as not to fail.
But the foolish children of men miserably delude themselves in their own schemes, and in confidence in their own strength and wisdom; they trust to nothing but a shadow. The greater part of those who heretofore have lived under the same means of grace, and are now dead, are undoubtedly gone to hell; and it was not because they were not as wise as those who are now alive: it was not because they did not lay out matters as well for themselves to secure their own escape. If we could speak with them, and inquire of them, one by one, whether they expected, when alive, and when they used to hear about hell ever to be the subects of that misery: we doubtless, should hear one and another reply, "No, I never intended to come here: I had laid out matters otherwise in my mind; I thought I should contrive well for myself: I thought my scheme good. I intended to take effectual care; but it came upon me unexpected; I did not look for it at that time, and in that manner; it came as a thief: Death outwitted me: God's wrath was too quick for me. Oh, my cursed foolishness! I was flattering myself, and pleasing myself with vain dreams of what I would do hereafter; and when I was saying, Peace and safety, then suddenly destruction came upon me.
10. God has laid himself under no obligation, by any promise to keep any natural man out of hell one moment. God certainly has made no promises either of eternal life, or of any deliverance or preservation from eternal death, but what are contained in the covenant of grace, the promises that are given in Christ, in whom all the promises are yea and amen. But surely they have no interest in the promises of the covenant of grace who are not the children of the covenant, who do not believe in any of the promises, and have no interest in the Mediator of the covenant.
So that, whatever some have imagined and pretended about promises made to natural men's earnest seeking and knocking, it is plain and manifest, that whatever pains a natural man takes in religion, whatever prayers he makes, till he believes in Christ, God is under no manner of obligation to keep him a moment from eternal destruction.
So that, thus it is that natural men are held in the hand of God, over the pit of hell; they have deserved the fiery pit, and are already sentenced to it; and God is dreadfully provoked, his anger is as great towards them as to those that are actually suffering the executions of the fierceness of his wrath in hell, and they have done nothing in the least to appease or abate that anger, neither is God in the least bound by any promise to hold them up one moment; the devil is waiting for them, hell is gaping for them, the flames gather and flash about them, and would fain lay hold on them, and swallow them up; the fire pent up in their own hearts is struggling to break out: and they have no interest in any Mediator, there are no means within reach that can be any security to them. In short, they have no refuge, nothing to take hold of, all that preserves them every moment is the mere arbitrary will, and uncovenanted, unobliged forbearance of an incensed God. --Jonathan Edwards, 'Sinners In The Hand Of An Angry God.'

Does this force you to change your philosophy? Knowing that you will be thrown into a lake of fire for all eternity; does it change the way you see this life? :idea:
 

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Nobody who doesnt believe in Christianity is afraid of the christian Idea of hell.

It primarily has to do with the fact that not believing in christianity means you dont believe you will brun for not believing it either.

For example: Do you fear being reincarnated as a Housefly for not following your karma ? Of course you dont, because you dont believe in reincarnation.

Do you fear the wrath of allah for choosing Jesus over Muhhamed ?
Of course not, because as a calvinist, you believe the Q'ran is bunk.

Its not hard to see why most non christian dont flinch at the threat of hellfire.
 
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Does this force you to change your philosophy? Knowing that you will be thrown into a lake of fire for all eternity; does it change the way you see this life? :idea:

No, why should it? :|

If you were living in Stalinist Russia, and you were threatened with the gulags if you were discovered to hold illegal religious or philosophical ideas, would that change your philosophy or religion? Would you love Big Brother?


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Does this force you to change your philosophy? Knowing that you will be thrown into a lake of fire for all eternity; does it change the way you see this life? :idea:
You know, that sermon is usually quoted as an example of the extreme excesses of the seventeenth century church- not as an actual sermon. I had no idea that was actually where some people were at in the present day. It never was what most Christians profess.

And no, of course it doesn't "change" me. Jonathan Edwards, stalwart predestinationist that he was, would most certainly agree with me.
 
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Lol, I seriously feel sorry for people like this. Threaten people who don't follow your religion with an eternal hellfire because you chose not to believe in a lie. A good name for people like this is a terrorist, inflicting fear and guilt on people in order for them to convert. We see this happen throughout history and even today, let's not go back to the dark ages...
 
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Does this force you to change your philosophy? Knowing that you will be thrown into a lake of fire for all eternity; does it change the way you see this life? :idea:
You mean, hypothetically - if I believed in a god and the god of this concept. Most likely. Then again, if I already believed in this god nothing would change. So I do not really know what to do with this question. If I had a different philosophy than I have now I would have a different philosophy.

As for now: people who dream up this sort of imaginary friend scare the heck out of me. I guess that would be different if I were one of them.
 
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I don't like the idea of a god that sends those who do not choose to worship him or his specific religion (i.e., including believers who reject his official dogma) without any incontrovertable physical evidence of his existence or the validity of his specific religion into eternal torment.

Perhaps sending those who do not believe into a Riverworld-style (NOT hellish; second earth) afterlife until they come to believe, then bringing them into heaven after their next death rather than resurrecting them somewhere else along the river. Even then, preferably if he leaves some sort of clues for explorative folk to stumble across, such as indestructible, immobile stone tablets or such that give some sort of hint, possibly a riddle, that when understood tells one what he needs to learn or believe.
 
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I do not believe in such a hideous theology, so it does not change my philosophy.

Though it tells me what a god is not.

And reminds me that should hell exist I would have to volunteer to go there. It would not be right for me to do anything else. I could go there knowing I did the right thing by keeping honesty and kindness and love as principles, and banishing the fear that this article wants to instill.
 
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9. All wicked men's pains and contrivance which they use to escape hell, while they continue to reject Christ, and so remain wicked men, do not secure them from hell one moment. Almost every natural man that hears of hell, flatters himself that he shall escape it; he depends upon himself for his own security; he flatters himself in what he has done, in what he is now doing, or what he intends to do. Every one lays out matters in his own mind how he shall avoid damnation, and flatters himself that he contrives well for himself, and that his schemes will not fail. They hear indeed that there are but few saved, and that the greater part of men that have died heretofore are gone to hell; but each one imagines that he lays out matters better for his own escape than others have done. He does not intend to come to that place of torment; he says within himself, that he intends to take effectual care, and to order matters so for himself as not to fail.
But the foolish children of men miserably delude themselves in their own schemes, and in confidence in their own strength and wisdom; they trust to nothing but a shadow. The greater part of those who heretofore have lived under the same means of grace, and are now dead, are undoubtedly gone to hell; and it was not because they were not as wise as those who are now alive: it was not because they did not lay out matters as well for themselves to secure their own escape. If we could speak with them, and inquire of them, one by one, whether they expected, when alive, and when they used to hear about hell ever to be the subects of that misery: we doubtless, should hear one and another reply, "No, I never intended to come here: I had laid out matters otherwise in my mind; I thought I should contrive well for myself: I thought my scheme good. I intended to take effectual care; but it came upon me unexpected; I did not look for it at that time, and in that manner; it came as a thief: Death outwitted me: God's wrath was too quick for me. Oh, my cursed foolishness! I was flattering myself, and pleasing myself with vain dreams of what I would do hereafter; and when I was saying, Peace and safety, then suddenly destruction came upon me.
10. God has laid himself under no obligation, by any promise to keep any natural man out of hell one moment. God certainly has made no promises either of eternal life, or of any deliverance or preservation from eternal death, but what are contained in the covenant of grace, the promises that are given in Christ, in whom all the promises are yea and amen. But surely they have no interest in the promises of the covenant of grace who are not the children of the covenant, who do not believe in any of the promises, and have no interest in the Mediator of the covenant.
So that, whatever some have imagined and pretended about promises made to natural men's earnest seeking and knocking, it is plain and manifest, that whatever pains a natural man takes in religion, whatever prayers he makes, till he believes in Christ, God is under no manner of obligation to keep him a moment from eternal destruction.
So that, thus it is that natural men are held in the hand of God, over the pit of hell; they have deserved the fiery pit, and are already sentenced to it; and God is dreadfully provoked, his anger is as great towards them as to those that are actually suffering the executions of the fierceness of his wrath in hell, and they have done nothing in the least to appease or abate that anger, neither is God in the least bound by any promise to hold them up one moment; the devil is waiting for them, hell is gaping for them, the flames gather and flash about them, and would fain lay hold on them, and swallow them up; the fire pent up in their own hearts is struggling to break out: and they have no interest in any Mediator, there are no means within reach that can be any security to them. In short, they have no refuge, nothing to take hold of, all that preserves them every moment is the mere arbitrary will, and uncovenanted, unobliged forbearance of an incensed God. --Jonathan Edwards, 'Sinners In The Hand Of An Angry God.'

Does this force you to change your philosophy? Knowing that you will be thrown into a lake of fire for all eternity; does it change the way you see this life? :idea:

no not really because regardless if this is true or not, it doesn't cure the problems of life. no matter what fear it creates that only leads to the human being lusting for their fears to be subsided, it does nothing to actually solve the problems of this life that we live in.
 
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You might want to get to know it. You may wish to get to understand that you don't want to go there.

Yes, Mordor is very scary, with all those Orcs, Trolls, and Nazgul, and barren land, lava, smoke, etc.


eudaimonia,

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P.E.A.C.E and Blessings...

It probably would change my philosophy if eye had knowledge of a lake of eternal fire, but as it is all eye have is information from stories. Eye might as well believe in Father Christmas, the Devil, the toothfairy, the easter bunny etc etc etc.

SHEM HETEP
God Himself has told you of this horrible place. This is not the toothfairy. This is reality.
 
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