Does the Universe have a end????

[Timmothy]

Yea, You right. God has limited our minds to a certain extent to were we can't comprehend.

I once tried to close my eyes and image what would be once I took away everything that exsist. I took away people, all the planets, the universe, light and ect. Once I did that all I could see was A big White place. This is the farthest our minds can see, and Iv'e always wondered what God sees behind that Empty white place

I say God see's a huge Heaven that had a huge war at one time, and God casted satan out with some of the satans followers into darkness "space".

 

[lamblion]

I say God see's a huge Heaven that had a huge war at one time, and God casted satan out with some of the satans followers into darkness "space".

Im talking about even before that. Before there was anything. what was God doing, because he has always exsisted. This is were our minds just stop, and can't go any further. This is how God made it, for a reason

 

[Timmothy]

Im talking about even before that. Before there was anything. what was God doing, because he has always exsisted. This is were our minds just stop, and can't go any further. This is how God made it, for a reason

I think about that alot, I assume God spoke us all in to existence just like God did to the stars and the plants.

 

[qh93536]

Im talking about even before that. Before there was anything. what was God doing, because he has always exsisted. This is were our minds just stop, and can't go any further. This is how God made it, for a reason

God was floating around in the blackness of space. Try to imagine how lonesome he must have been and you will understand why he created us.

 

[lamblion]

God was floating around in the blackness of space. Try to imagine how lonesome he must have been and you will understand why he created us.

I like to think There was something before what we know and undertand. May'be God made a prior creation that he may'be destroyed or that may'be still exsist. Just a thought!!

 

[Timmothy]

I like to think There was something before what we know and undertand. May'be God made a prior creation that he may'be destroyed or that may'be still exsist. Just a thought!!

I dont think God destroys his creatations compeletley.

 

[Melethiel]

Yea, You right. God has limited our minds to a certain extent to were we can't comprehend.

I once tried to close my eyes and image what would be once I took away everything that exsist. I took away people, all the planets, the universe, light and ect. Once I did that all I could see was A big White place. This is the farthest our minds can see, and Iv'e always wondered what God sees behind that Empty white place

Only it would be black, because white necessitates light.

 

[lamblion]

Only it would be black, because white necessitates light.

Is God darkness?? No, God is light, he knows no darkness. so with nothing there but him it would be white which represents light

 

[lamblion]

Is God darkness?? No, God is light, he knows no darkness. so with nothing there but him it would be white which represents light

How old is the universe, the planets, How about planet earth??? Has man been the only creature on this planet. Some biblical scholars conclude that man has only exsisted for 7,000 years. So is the Earth only 7,000 years old?

 

[lamblion]

How old is the universe, the planets, How about planet earth??? Has man been the only creature on this planet. Some biblical scholars conclude that man has only exsisted for 7,000 years. So is the Earth only 7,000 years old?

Science is correct when it proclaims that this planet and the universe have exsisted for millions of years. The fossil evidence declares that God left proof of the world that existed prior to the creation of man. The fact that we are able to see countless galaxies as far as 1,000,000 light years away implies that the earth has at least existed that long. The recently launched Hubble telescope has sent us pictures of galaxies many millions of light years away. The light could not be seen unless many millions of years had allowed it to travel here.

 

[philN]

The universe is finite, however, it does not have boundaries.

As far as we can tell at this point, there are millions of galaxies scattered throughout space, all moving away from each other out to approxiately 13.6 billion light years away. Actually, they are not really moving, all of the galaxies are completely stationary, but the universe itself is constantly expanding. Now, the universe as we know it, could very well be only a small percentage of all created matter because it is limitless, but as far as we know there is only actual rock, debris, etc. stretching to about 14 billion light years.

Why did God create all that extra space? Well, for starters, there is an outside chance that it is not completely "uninhabited". That is to say, it is possible that other galaxies formed with planets in position far enough away from the nuclear bulge in the galactic disk that it is not too hot to support life and there is enough radiation to allow for evolution.

Beyond that, it is possible that God created all of that "extra space" to show us just how finite and insignificant we are. Or perhaps, so that we can understand the origin of our own galaxy (if everything constantly moving away, at some point it was all close together and something must have caused that something to expand into limitless space). Perhaps that is just more of nature declaring the glory of God.

 

[lamblion]

The universe is finite, however, it does not have boundaries.

As far as we can tell at this point, there are millions of galaxies scattered throughout space, all moving away from each other out to approxiately 13.6 billion light years away. Actually, they are not really moving, all of the galaxies are completely stationary, but the universe itself is constantly expanding. Now, the universe as we know it, could very well be only a small percentage of all created matter because it is limitless, but as far as we know there is only actual rock, debris, etc. stretching to about 14 billion light years.

Why did God create all that extra space? Well, for starters, there is an outside chance that it is not completely "uninhabited". That is to say, it is possible that other galaxies formed with planets in position far enough away from the nuclear bulge in the galactic disk that it is not too hot to support life and there is enough radiation to allow for evolution.

Beyond that, it is possible that God created all of that "extra space" to show us just how finite and insignificant we are. Or perhaps, so that we can understand the origin of our own galaxy (if everything constantly moving away, at some point it was all close together and something must have caused that something to expand into limitless space). Perhaps that is just more of nature declaring the glory of God.

I strongly believe that God had previously created life before man. Like you said he created alot of extra space, and for what. it is reasonable to consider that other planets are inhabated.

 

[icbeckyc]

Beyond that, it is possible that God created all of that "extra space" to show us just how finite and insignificant we are. Or perhaps, so that we can understand the origin of our own galaxy (if everything constantly moving away, at some point it was all close together and something must have caused that something to expand into limitless space). Perhaps that is just more of nature declaring the glory of God.

Hmm that is an interesting concept. A possibility.

 

[lamblion]

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[johnd]

God created the universe limitless, with no end.
Is their Really no end in space. If so their has to be other life. Why would God create a universe with no end just to be empty!!!

How many angels fit on the head of a pin? For there to be space on the pin heads there must be angels on them.

The same logic a little more obvious.

 

[johnd]

The anthropic principle is essentially an observation of known aspects about the universe. For example the medium point between the largest thing (the universe itself) and the smallest sub-atomic particle is the galaxy. Between the sub-atomic particle and the galaxy is the earth, and between the sub-atomic particle and the earth is man.

In the 1970's the Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence league held a global consortium where all the greatest minds assembled. They set out to deternine the liklihood of life existing on other planets in the universe. To calibrate this vast probability undertaking, a known planet had to be subjected first to allow for the one chance in however many opportunities. They were quite shocked by their findings.

Just a basic element for life (a protein molecule) has one chance in 10 to the 137th power to form on its own. That's one and only one chance in 10 with 137 zeroes. The rule of thumb for logical impossibility is only one chance in 10 to the 50th power.

Some came away believing there must have been a greater power than the universe that created the universe. Whether or not they believed that "X" is God or not is anybody's guess. Most scratched their heads determined as ever that even if they did not know how the universe and earth got here, God didn't do it. Human stubbornness. If I am not mistaken, a quantum physicist soon afterwards killed himself because the universe does not in fact stand alone.

This is to say nothing about how extremely balanced the conditions for life to exist on earth must be. But the Bible clues us in on the fact that the stars have the purpose of seasons etc. To most that was thought to be a term like sunrise or sunset (meaning what the earth bound observer thought on the subject). But we depend on the radiation and gravimetric fields far more than we usually consider.

The curvature of space plays a part in life on earth. It may seem a lot of trouble to go to for this one world, but the stats and the mathematics bear this out. And after all, what all does it take to make earth habitable? Ever consider this? Or thought of a better way to make this stage between the eternities?

 

[lamblion]

The anthropic principle is essentially an observation of known aspects about the universe. For example the medium point between the largest thing (the universe itself) and the smallest sub-atomic particle is the galaxy. Between the sub-atomic particle and the galaxy is the earth, and between the sub-atomic particle and the earth is man.

In the 1970's the Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence league held a global consortium where all the greatest minds assembled. They set out to deternine the liklihood of life existing on other planets in the universe. To calibrate this vast probability undertaking, a known planet had to be subjected first to allow for the one chance in however many opportunities. They were quite shocked by their findings.

Just a basic element for life (a protein molecule) has one chance in 10 to the 137th power to form on its own. That's one and only one chance in 10 with 137 zeroes. The rule of thumb for logical impossibility is only one chance in 10 to the 50th power.

Some came away believing there must have been a greater power than the universe that created the universe. Whether or not they believed that "X" is God or not is anybody's guess. Most scratched their heads determined as ever that even if they did not know how the universe and earth got here, God didn't do it. Human stubbornness. If I am not mistaken, a quantum physicist soon afterwards killed himself because the universe does not in fact stand alone.

This is to say nothing about how extremely balanced the conditions for life to exist on earth must be. But the Bible clues us in on the fact that the stars have the purpose of seasons etc. To most that was thought to be a term like sunrise or sunset (meaning what the earth bound observer thought on the subject). But we depend on the radiation and gravimetric fields far more than we usually consider.

The curvature of space plays a part in life on earth. It may seem a lot of trouble to go to for this one world, but the stats and the mathematics bear this out. And after all, what all does it take to make earth habitable? Ever consider this? Or thought of a better way to make this stage between the eternities?

Uhmmmm, interesting. How do you feel about the universe and it's limits or nonlimits

 

[johnd]

Uhmmmm, interesting. How do you feel about the universe and it's limits or nonlimits

Me personally? I gather from the amalgam of scripture that there is a limit to the universe. And what lies beyond is the realm in which God created the spirit beings before he created this physical realm.

So, not only is the universe limited, it also had a beginning.

I am generalizing and trying not to go into minute details here, or I'd be very late for work.

Genesis 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. 3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

The raw material of the universe was in a liquid-like state and the Spirit oscillated to begin the formation of the first light wave.

2 Timothy 1:9 and Titus 1:2 speak of a period before time began. Time, despite our impression of it, is actually a property of space and progression. Without time, for example, an intersection would always have one car in it going nowhere. With the progression of time the same intersection can have unlimited numbers of cars going through it at given intervals in all directions.

Isaiah 44:24 Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;

Someone else here mentioned the galaxies and super clusters are not actually in motion but space itself is unfolding or unfurling. This is accurate, it is more or less like drawing dots on a balloon and then inflating it. The dots move away from each other. And they are all on a huge curved plain (much like we are on the surface of this sphere).

The circumference of the thing makes it appear endless, but there are limitations. I am reminded of the ancients who believed the circumference of the earth was all there was, and that the stars were essentially lights that hung on a ceiling / sky.

The physical universe, while astounding to us, is only the surface of what lies below (projecting in on itself), and is under the vastness that projects outwards in all directions above.

There are very long drawn out mathematical theories that bear this out... the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd heavens (if you will). This minute plain of super cluster galaxies with a core (some speculate hell) where time does not exist and all things are frozen and it is suprisingly a small.

Could you imagine? being suspended in time like being frozen in a block of ice the size of the room you are in, totally aware of your surroundings, unable to interact, move or do anything but convey through some form of telepathy your regrets and agony?

Recall in Luke 16 the rich man spoke to Abraham, but it was over a great gulf which separated them. What we think of as speach and sound waves could not have traversed that gulf unless it was not so great as Abraham said.

At any rate, there is a limitation to the physical universe. And I believe the Bible speaks to the end of its existence. The old order of heaven and earth will pass away and the new heaven-earth will rise in its place. Possibly an anthropomorphism describing human ability to live in the realm beyond what was once the physical realm.

I am not dogmatic about these things since I personally cannot prove any of them, and none of them matter in the scheme of things:

Christ crucified, humanity evangelized. That's all that truly matters.

God bless.

 

[lamblion]

I have considered some things in my continual growth in Christ, and I have asked myself about the creation of the universe. Many say evolution has a major part in this. Can someone explain to me what is the primary concept of Evolution? It seems to me it is harder to believe in evolution, than just to believe that a Supernatual being is the author.

 

[Iollain]

God created the universe limitless, with no end.
Is their Really no end in space. If so their has to be other life. Why would God create a universe with no end just to be empty!!!

Oh no not this question, everytime i think about that i get a head rush.