Does the Universe have a end????

[Bulldog]

Also, comparing the Trinity to light or water is modalist heresy.

You beat me to it!

 

[Forest]

Expanding Yes. Finite or Infinite is currently not known. But yes I said the Wow as well about the rocket comment.

If it is expanding then it is finite, infinity cannot expand.

 

[KerrMetric]

If it is expanding then it is finite, infinity cannot expand.

I knew someone would comment on that. Yes it can. An infinite universe can expand. Your problem is that you are imagining expansion as say filling an external void like say blowing up a balloon and the balloon expands into the air around it. This is not how the universe expands. A better (though not perfect) analogy is a rising loaf of bread. If you are inside the bread then it is expanding everywhere. Imagine the universe is an infinite loaf of rising bread expanding everywhere within itself. The problem is that regular everyday analogies don't work very well for this mathematical concept.

Just a comment about inifinity. Mathematically there are different kinds of infinity. For instance there are an infinite number of integers but there are more reals between 0 and 1 than that. The second infinity I mentioned is greater than the first one. Actually the second one is equal to 2 to the power of the first inifinity.

 

[lamblion]

Which government. This would be worldwide news. What one or two governements do is immaterial.

Also if thy hold so much from us how do you know this? Since you just said it is held from us how did you get in on it?

I speak of the Government of the United states. The things we are finding out now have been known by them years, and years ago. There just recenty telling us about alien Ships they have found since 1962, im serious check the news on the internet. also their beginning to try to form clones of DNA, where could that type of technology come from?????

 

[KerrMetric]

I speak of the Government of the United states. The things we are finding out now have been known by them years, and years ago. There just recenty telling us about alien Ships they have found since 1962, im serious check the news on the internet. also their beginning to try to form clones of DNA, where could that type of technology come from?????

lamblion, please use alternate news sources than crank internet sites. Alien Ships is National Enquirer stuff.

 

[lamblion]

lamblion, please use alternate news sources than crank internet sites. Alien Ships is National Enquirer stuff.

Do you agree that our Government holds things from us, for the simple reason they fell the people will go caos.
And why is the internet news not alternative.

 

[KerrMetric]

Do you agree that our Government holds things from us, for the simple reason they fell the people will go caos.

Not that kind of thing. I seriously doubt it would be possible.

And why is the internet news not alternative.

Because you don't mean internet news sites you mean internet crank sites put together by very strange people.

 

[Forest]

I knew someone would comment on that. Yes it can. An infinite universe can expand. Your problem is that you are imagining expansion as say filling an external void like say blowing up a balloon and the balloon expands into the air around it. This is not how the universe expands. A better (though not perfect) analogy is a rising loaf of bread. If you are inside the bread then it is expanding everywhere. Imagine the universe is an infinite loaf of rising bread expanding everywhere within itself. The problem is that regular everyday analogies don't work very well for this mathematical concept.

Just a comment about inifinity. Mathematically there are different kinds of infinity. For instance there are an infinite number of integers but there are more reals between 0 and 1 than that. The second infinity I mentioned is greater than the first one. Actually the second one is equal to 2 to the power of the first inifinity.

An infinite loaf of bread, cool.

 

[KerrMetric]

An infinite loaf of bread, cool.

You can't eat it. Remember, it's an analogy loaf of bread.

 

[jetzeppelin]

It has been scientiflly proven that space has no end. scientist have sent rockets into space many, many years ago that have never returned!!

No i don't think space is Eternal, because Eternal implies no beginning nor end. Only God is Eternal, and the Church by the gift of salvation. the universe is Everlating, meaning it has a beginning but no end, with it's beginning being God creating it

It has not been scientifically proven to any extent that the universe has no end. Hubble's observations of cosmic redshift and recent observations of cosmic blueshift can attest to this.

If space was infinite it has no beginning, but that isn't consistent with logic and physics and thermodynamics, for if it had no beginning then likewise matter had no beginning and also there would be no God. The void of space itself is actually matyter, if you didn't know. Matter doesn't spread out forever. It has its limits, and it is my own postulations, but I believe it is outside these limits that heaven/hell lie.

 

[lamblion]

It has not been scientifically proven to any extent that the universe has no end. Hubble's observations of cosmic redshift and recent observations of cosmic blueshift can attest to this.

If space was infinite it has no beginning, but that isn't consistent with logic and physics and thermodynamics, for if it had no beginning then likewise matter had no beginning and also there would be no God. The void of space itself is actually matyter, if you didn't know. Matter doesn't spread out forever. It has its limits, and it is my own postulations, but I believe it is outside these limits that heaven/hell lie.

I like some of your comments, but I beg to differ that the universe being infinate can have a beginning. To say the universe is endless doesn't implie it has always been, It just implies that a God that has aways been can make a universe that ceases to exsist.

I was wrong in saying that it was scientically proven, I was misunderstood, yet I do know that neither party has proof that it is, are proof that it isn't.

God can not create Eternal, for it has always been, something that has always been can not have a beginning, or be created.

 

[servant4ever]

Does this really matter in respect to going to the lost and telling them about a personal relationship with Jesus Christ? We will never fully know if the universe has an end to it.

 

[Knee V]

I was going to comment that the three phases of water is an analogy of the modalist heresy, but TWO people beat me to it. Nice job, you two.

Also, the OP is not about the Trinity. Perhaps someone could open another thread about it if we are to continue on those lines (not that I'm a moderator and have the authority to make anyone do that. It was just a thought).

 

[Melethiel]

also their beginning to try to form clones of DNA, where could that type of technology come from?????

Psshh, DNA cloning has been going on for ages, using multiple techniques, and it's quite well known. As for where it came from: simple, humans developed it.

 

[lamblion]

God has set standards in nature that symbolizes him and his Godhead(Trinity)
Iv'e mentioned water and light but I didn't explain it

Well light has a 3 product
-you can see it, which symbolizes the son
-you can feel it, which symbolizes the Holy Spirit
-and uv rays that cannot be seen, which symbolizes the Father.


Then you have the products of water
-a solid, which symbolizes the son
-a liquid, which symbolizes the spirit
-and a Gas, that symbolizes the Father

God has also set laws within Nature that has never changed. For example the boiling of water. There is a set tempature that water boils and it never changes.

 

[Melethiel]

God has set standards in nature that symbolizes him and his Godhead(Trinity)
Iv'e mentioned water and light but I didn't explain it

Well light has a 3 product
-you can see it, which symbolizes the son
-you can feel it, which symbolizes the Holy Spirit
-and uv rays that cannot be seen, which symbolizes the Father.


Then you have the products of water
-a solid, which symbolizes the son
-a liquid, which symbolizes the spirit
-and a Gas, that symbolizes the Father

God has also set laws within Nature that has never changed. For example the boiling of water. There is a set tempature that water boils and it never changes.

As already stated, the comparison of the forms of water to the Trinity is modalism, and is heresy. The Trinity is one God in three Persons, not three modes. Same goes for light.

Also, the statement that water has a set temperature where it boils is incorrect. Have you ever taken a college level chemistry course?

 

[lamblion]

As already stated, the comparison of the forms of water to the Trinity is modalism, and is heresy. The Trinity is one God in three Persons, not three modes. Same goes for light.

Also, the statement that water has a set temperature where it boils is incorrect. Have you ever taken a college level chemistry course?

what is modalism and heresy???
And or you sayng that water can boil at different tempatures. Explain

 

[Melethiel]

what is modalism and heresy???
And or you sayng that water can boil at different tempatures. Explain

Yes, water boils at different temperatures, depending on the pressure and various other factors.

Modalism is a heresy that states that the Trinity is one God in three forms, or "modes", in the same way that water is one substance in three forms. However, this is not in accordance with the orthodox doctrine of the Trinity.

 

[qh93536]

God created the universe limitless, with no end.
Is their Really no end in space. If so their has to be other life. Why would God create a universe with no end just to be empty!!!

Two things that are impossible for the human mind to comprehend is that God has no beginning and that the universe has no end. It is a paradox that just must be accepted because, If God had a creator, then who was that creators creator? And it would go on and on. And, if the universe had an end, what would it be in, or what would be outside of it? And if something was outside of it, did it have a beginning? And if it had a beginning, what was outside of it?? It would just go on and on.

So, that is the way it is.

 

[lamblion]

Two things that are impossible for the human mind to comprehend is that God has no beginning and that the universe has no end. It is a paradox that just must be accepted because, If God had a creator, then who was that creators creator? And it would go on and on. And, if the universe had an end, what would it be in, or what would be outside of it? And if something was outside of it, did it have a beginning? And if it had a beginning, what was outside of it?? It would just go on and on.

So, that is the way it is.

Yea, You right. God has limited our minds to a certain extent to were we can't comprehend.

I once tried to close my eyes and image what would be once I took away everything that exsist. I took away people, all the planets, the universe, light and ect. Once I did that all I could see was A big White place. This is the farthest our minds can see, and Iv'e always wondered what God sees behind that Empty white place