Does the Roman Church focus on Peter too much

[papist1]

Rick Otto, please stop the dodging of the topic at hand and give me an example from the Catechism which shows that their is more focus on Peter than Christ.

peace, papist

 

[Rick Otto]

The fact that you were Catholic in name for the first 18 years of your life, adds no proof whatsoever as to whether you were ever properly catechised.

Whose responsible for that? It could be that I've got too much of the Holy Spirit in me to allow for a "proper catechesation".

The syllabus of errors is an encyclical silly. if you knew Catholic teaching you would certainly know that encyclicals are not equal in any way to official Catholic teaching.

It is a rather silly encyclical, but what is more silly is the idea that this encyclical meant for public consumption, would contain anything contrary to official teaching. If you knew anything about schizophrenia you would recognize it's institutional manifestation. In that way, anything can be said & mean anything it conveniently needs to.

 

[Rick Otto]

Catholic Catechism Online (not a part of the OP)
English Translation of the Catechism of the Catholic Church with Search Utility
Decide for yourselves. I say it's too much.
Got any more names to call me or accusations to make before you start praying?

 

[Gregory Thompson]

In response to the OP question:

Compared to what?

if compared to Mary, No

if compared to Jesus .. maybe but probly not .

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

In response to the OP question:

Compared to what?

if compared to Mary, No

if compared to Jesus .. maybe but probly not .

Umm....perhaps by bro Saul/Paul and Jesus?

Not to say that I am of Peter or of Paul

Gala 2:8 For the one in-working to Peter into Apostleship of the circumcision in-works also to me into the Nations

 

[Gregory Thompson]

Okay . i think calling Peter . "the apostle" is giving him too much credit since the responsibility was split up . but they attribute it to Peter only .

let's see.. we could call it Petra Sola?

okay i can vote now .

bless .

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by SwissGuard We do. We just do not submit to your erroneuos, superficial interpretation of that verse.

hey pot, kettle is on the phone.

LOL

Is that by cell phone?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Okay . i think calling Peter . "the apostle" is giving him too much credit since the responsibility was split up . but they attribute it to Peter only .

let's see.. we could call it Petra Sola?

okay i can vote now .

bless .

 

[luckyfredsdad]

Perhaps our Roman Brothers and sisters can tell us where Peter's,'authority,' is inherited , [or where is that inheritance recorded], by the papacy?

 

[Rick Otto]

Originally Posted by JacktheCatholic
I can understand why gentiles would hold a special affection towards Paul vs. Peter.

But we all know that Paul did not receive the Keys either in scripture.

Darn that Jesus for giving Peter the keys to the Kingdom of heaven.

Don't forget to 'darn Jesus' for also giving them keys to all the disciples present, two chapters later, imploding any primacy notions as easily as Jesus Himself did whenever He caught them discussing "who is greatest among the disciples".

 

[chestertonrules]

Don't forget to 'darn Jesus' for also giving them keys to all the disciples present, two chapters later, imploding any primacy notions as easily as Jesus Himself did whenever He caught them discussing "who is greatest among the disciples".

Only Peter was given the keys. The other disciples were given the power to bind and loose, which is not the same thing.


Do you think Jesus focused on Peter too much?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Only Peter was given the keys. The other disciples were given the power to bind and loose, which is not the same thing.


Do you think Jesus focused on Peter too much?

Good question!!!

Matthew 16:23 The yet being turned He said to the Peter, "be thou going away behind of Me Satan.
An offence/snare thou are of Me, that not thou savourest the-things of the God, but those of the men".
[Mark 8:33, Luke 4:8]

Luke 4:8 And answering the Jesus said to him, "be thou going away behind of Me Satan.
For it has been written 'Lord the GOD of thee thou shall be worshipping, and to Him only thou shall be divinely-serving'".


http://www.christianforums.com/t7438735/
"Hand this one over to Satan"..... 1 Corin 5:5

 

[chestertonrules]

Good question!!!

Matthew 16:23 The yet being turned He said to the Peter, "be thou going away behind of Me Satan.
An offence/snare thou are of Me, that not thou savourest the-things of the God, but those of the men".
[Mark 8:33, Luke 4:8]

Luke 4:8 And answering the Jesus said to him, "be thou going away behind of Me Satan.
For it has been written 'Lord the GOD of thee thou shall be worshipping, and to Him only thou shall be divinely-serving'".


http://www.christianforums.com/t7438735/
"Hand this one over to Satan"..... 1 Corin 5:5

More to the point:

Matt. to Rev. - Peter is mentioned 155 times and the rest of apostles combined are only mentioned 130 times. Peter is also always listed first except in 1 Cor. 3:22 and Gal. 2:9.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

More to the point:

Matt. to Rev. - Peter is mentioned 155 times and the rest of apostles combined are only mentioned 130 times. Peter is also always listed first except in 1 Cor. 3:22 and Gal. 2:9.

So That would only matter more to the OC "Judeans" than to us

But.....Peter did write 2 rather small Epistles.
So again, what is yer point?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by JacktheCatholic
I can understand why gentiles would hold a special affection towards Paul vs. Peter.

But we all know that Paul did not receive the Keys either in scripture.



Don't forget to 'darn Jesus' for also giving them keys to all the disciples present, two chapters later, imploding any primacy notions as easily as Jesus Himself did whenever He caught them discussing "who is greatest among the disciples".

 

[Rick Otto]

quote=chestertonrules;Only Peter was given the keys.

Not literaly.

The other disciples were given the power to bind and loose, which is not the same thing.

It means the same thing in practical terms. The powers are the same.

Do you think Jesus focused on Peter too much?

I think you need to focus on the quality of attention Peter got, not just the amount.
He's the only one Jesus said "Get thee behind me, satan" to.
Jesus called Peter satan so you call him pope?

don't just be throwin' easy equations at me to see if they'll stick.
I can't resist the temptation to throw them back at ya.

 

[chestertonrules]

Not literaly.
It means the same thing in practical terms. The powers are the same.
I think you need to focus on the quality of attention Peter got, not just the amount.
He's the only one Jesus said "Get thee behind me, satan" to.
Jesus called Peter satan so you call him pope?

don't just be throwin' easy equations at me to see if they'll stick.
I can't resist the temptation to throw them back at ya.

Jesus singled Peter out multiple times as the leader of the apostles:


Matt. 16:17 - Peter alone is told he has received divine knowledge by a special revelation from God the Father.
Matt. 16:18 - Jesus builds the Church only on Peter, the rock, with the other apostles as the foundation and Jesus as the Head.
Matt. 16:19 - only Peter receives the keys, which represent authority over the Church and facilitate dynastic succession to his authority.
Matt. 17:24-25 - the tax collector approaches Peter for Jesus' tax. Peter is the spokesman for Jesus. He is the Vicar of Christ.
Matt. 17:26-27 - Jesus pays the half-shekel tax with one shekel, for both Jesus and Peter. Peter is Christ's representative on earth.
Matt. 18:21 - in the presence of the disciples, Peter asks Jesus about the rule of forgiveness. One of many examples where Peter takes a leadership role among the apostles in understanding Jesus' teachings.
Matt. 19:27 - Peter speaks on behalf of the apostles by telling Jesus that they have left everything to follow Him.
Mark 10:28 - here also, Peter speaks on behalf of the disciples by declaring that they have left everything to follow Him.
Mark 11:21 - Peter speaks on behalf of the disciples in remembering Jesus' curse on the fig tree.
Mark 14:37 - at Gethsemane, Jesus asks Peter, and no one else, why he was asleep. Peter is accountable to Jesus for his actions on behalf of the apostles because he has been appointed by Jesus as their leader.
Mark 16:7 - Peter is specified by an angel as the leader of the apostles as the angel confirms the resurrection of Christ.
Luke 5:3 – Jesus teaches from Peter’s boat which is metaphor for the Church. Jesus guides Peter and the Church into all truth.
Luke 5:4,10 - Jesus instructs Peter to let down the nets for a catch, and the miraculous catch follows. Peter, the Pope, is the "fisher of men."
Luke 7:40-50- Jesus addresses Peter regarding the rule of forgiveness and Peter answers on behalf of the disciples. Jesus also singles Peter out and judges his conduct vis-à-vis the conduct of the woman who anointed Him.
Luke 8:45 - when Jesus asked who touched His garment, it is Peter who answers on behalf of the disciples.
Luke 8:51; 9:28; 22:8; Acts 1:13; 3:1,3,11; 4:13,19; 8:14 - Peter is always mentioned before John, the disciple whom Jesus loved.
Luke 9:28;33 - Peter is mentioned first as going to mountain of transfiguration and the only one to speak at the transfiguration.
Luke 12:41 - Peter seeks clarification of a parable on behalf on the disciples. This is part of Peter's formation as the chief shepherd of the flock after Jesus ascended into heaven.
Luke 22:31-32 - Jesus prays for Peter alone, that his faith may not fail, and charges him to strengthen the rest of the apostles.
Luke 24:12, John 20:4-6 - John arrived at the tomb first but stopped and waited for Peter. Peter then arrived and entered the tomb first.
Luke 24:34 - the two disciples distinguish Peter even though they both had seen the risen Jesus the previous hour. See Luke 24:33.
John 6:68 - after the disciples leave, Peter is the first to speak and confess his belief in Christ after the Eucharistic discourse.
John 13:6-9 - Peter speaks out to the Lord in front of the apostles concerning the washing of feet.
John 13:36; 21:18 - Jesus predicts Peter's death. Peter was martyred at Rome in 67 A.D. Several hundred years of papal successors were also martyred.
John 21:2-3,11 - Peter leads the fishing and his net does not break. The boat (the "barque of Peter") is a metaphor for the Church.
John 21:7 - only Peter got out of the boat and ran to the shore to meet Jesus. Peter is the earthly shepherd leading us to God. John 21:15 - in front of the apostles, Jesus asks Peter if he loves Jesus "more than these," which refers to the other apostles. Peter is the head of the apostolic see.

 

[Hentenza]

Jesus singled Peter out multiple times as the leader of the apostles:


Matt. 16:17 - Peter alone is told he has received divine knowledge by a special revelation from God the Father.
Matt. 16:18 - Jesus builds the Church only on Peter, the rock, with the other apostles as the foundation and Jesus as the Head.
Matt. 16:19 - only Peter receives the keys, which represent authority over the Church and facilitate dynastic succession to his authority.
Matt. 17:24-25 - the tax collector approaches Peter for Jesus' tax. Peter is the spokesman for Jesus. He is the Vicar of Christ.
Matt. 17:26-27 - Jesus pays the half-shekel tax with one shekel, for both Jesus and Peter. Peter is Christ's representative on earth.
Matt. 18:21 - in the presence of the disciples, Peter asks Jesus about the rule of forgiveness. One of many examples where Peter takes a leadership role among the apostles in understanding Jesus' teachings.
Matt. 19:27 - Peter speaks on behalf of the apostles by telling Jesus that they have left everything to follow Him.
Mark 10:28 - here also, Peter speaks on behalf of the disciples by declaring that they have left everything to follow Him.
Mark 11:21 - Peter speaks on behalf of the disciples in remembering Jesus' curse on the fig tree.
Mark 14:37 - at Gethsemane, Jesus asks Peter, and no one else, why he was asleep. Peter is accountable to Jesus for his actions on behalf of the apostles because he has been appointed by Jesus as their leader.
Mark 16:7 - Peter is specified by an angel as the leader of the apostles as the angel confirms the resurrection of Christ.
Luke 5:3 – Jesus teaches from Peter’s boat which is metaphor for the Church. Jesus guides Peter and the Church into all truth.
Luke 5:4,10 - Jesus instructs Peter to let down the nets for a catch, and the miraculous catch follows. Peter, the Pope, is the "fisher of men."
Luke 7:40-50- Jesus addresses Peter regarding the rule of forgiveness and Peter answers on behalf of the disciples. Jesus also singles Peter out and judges his conduct vis-à-vis the conduct of the woman who anointed Him.
Luke 8:45 - when Jesus asked who touched His garment, it is Peter who answers on behalf of the disciples.
Luke 8:51; 9:28; 22:8; Acts 1:13; 3:1,3,11; 4:13,19; 8:14 - Peter is always mentioned before John, the disciple whom Jesus loved.
Luke 9:28;33 - Peter is mentioned first as going to mountain of transfiguration and the only one to speak at the transfiguration.
Luke 12:41 - Peter seeks clarification of a parable on behalf on the disciples. This is part of Peter's formation as the chief shepherd of the flock after Jesus ascended into heaven.
Luke 22:31-32 - Jesus prays for Peter alone, that his faith may not fail, and charges him to strengthen the rest of the apostles.
Luke 24:12, John 20:4-6 - John arrived at the tomb first but stopped and waited for Peter. Peter then arrived and entered the tomb first.
Luke 24:34 - the two disciples distinguish Peter even though they both had seen the risen Jesus the previous hour. See Luke 24:33.
John 6:68 - after the disciples leave, Peter is the first to speak and confess his belief in Christ after the Eucharistic discourse.
John 13:6-9 - Peter speaks out to the Lord in front of the apostles concerning the washing of feet.
John 13:36; 21:18 - Jesus predicts Peter's death. Peter was martyred at Rome in 67 A.D. Several hundred years of papal successors were also martyred.
John 21:2-3,11 - Peter leads the fishing and his net does not break. The boat (the "barque of Peter") is a metaphor for the Church.
John 21:7 - only Peter got out of the boat and ran to the shore to meet Jesus. Peter is the earthly shepherd leading us to God. John 21:15 - in front of the apostles, Jesus asks Peter if he loves Jesus "more than these," which refers to the other apostles. Peter is the head of the apostolic see.

Oh, look. A cut and paste from a biased source. lol

Scripture Catholic - THE PRIMACY OF PETER

 

[chestertonrules]

Oh, look. A cut and paste from a biased source. lol

Scripture Catholic - THE PRIMACY OF PETER

Doesn't make it any less true, and of course you can't refute it.

 

[Rick Otto]

Jesus singled Peter out multiple times as the leader of the apostles:

Nice quote mine you found.

Luke 9:46Then there arose a reasoning among them, which of them should be greatest.
47And Jesus, perceiving the thought of their heart, took a child, and set him by him,
48And said unto them, Whosoever shall receive this child in my name receiveth me: and whosoever shall receive me receiveth him that sent me: for he that is least among you all, the same shall be great.
49And John answered and said, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name; and we forbad him, because he followeth not with us.
50And Jesus said unto him, Forbid him not: for he that is not against us is for us.